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TCGM - A bot to combat backseat gaming

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feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States970 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 16:47:02
May 18 2020 16:43 GMT
#1
I made a bot to combat the backseat gaming that happens in twitch chats. The tl;dr of it is that the streamer can call out someone in chat who is backseat gaming/balance whining too much in twitch chat and that person won't be able to talk until they prove their mmr by logging into their battle net account.




If you’re interested in trying it out you can find it here. I may decide to shut it down if it gets too toxic so enjoy it while you can.

https://www.feardragon.com/projects/tcgm


Cheers.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 18 2020 16:58 GMT
#2
There's certainly potential for misuse there, but it's quite a nice concept. The natural follow-up would be to mute people until they provide their sc2replaystats to prove they aren't a mech player.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2020 17:58 GMT
#3
Good tool. Possibly use python libraries like s2protocol or sc2reader to automate submission of replays with battle.net name, and check to see if they actually build broodlords or try battlecruiser openings or play long protoss games. (Obviously a much larger project, so I offer it as food for thought).

Diamond protoss or terran in chat explaining how game balance works is a plague. Balance whining even looks good on paper *theorycraft chat*, and it's only in actual games where maybe the right comp doesn't come early enough, or you end up not having enough minerals/gas to hit the proposed timing or defense. It's the player that play it at the top level that have meaning behind their words. Ideas together with execution.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
May 18 2020 18:52 GMT
#4
It looks awful.
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sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
May 18 2020 19:00 GMT
#5
Always enjoy these videos
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
alpenrahm
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany628 Posts
May 18 2020 19:52 GMT
#6
Lol dude your editing suxx. Your bot suxxx. Your hair is atrocious! And you need to make more Mines.
Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
May 18 2020 20:21 GMT
#7
Seems like a good way to decrease your viewer count and income.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10108 Posts
May 18 2020 20:30 GMT
#8
LOL.

This is a brilliant idea. Anyone who says otherwise is an underappreciated strategic genius who would be GM if they only had more APM/time to play.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 20:44:28
May 18 2020 20:43 GMT
#9
"Ah ah mmr shaming is so brilliant lol !"

And it's not because you are GM that you're balance whine is more legitimate, Contentgaga for example. That's just a terrible idea, imagine if TL.net had to ban every single account under 199th' GM mmr in "In defense of the Widow Mine" post just because, you know, you can't talk about widow mines since you are not GM.

It's a really bad, insecure and childish idea in my opinion.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
May 18 2020 21:02 GMT
#10
On May 19 2020 01:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
There's certainly potential for misuse there, but it's quite a nice concept. The natural follow-up would be to mute people until they provide their sc2replaystats to prove they aren't a mech player.


I feel attacked. What do you have against Mech players?

It's not that I don't UNDERSTAND how to play Bio, I just have more success with Mech since I don't have the ridiculous fucking speed required to play Bio effectively.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
XaMaXaM
Profile Joined June 2012
Germany113 Posts
May 18 2020 21:21 GMT
#11
So you combat "backseat gaming" with MMR-Shaming?
Is this really your solution?
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2020 21:21 GMT
#12
Just use it sparingly to make people stop the “trust me, I’m masters, and my opening destroys it.”

Like any tool, this would be vulnerable to abuse, as is true with streamers that are too itchy on the ban button, period.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
May 18 2020 21:30 GMT
#13
On May 19 2020 06:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
I just have more success with Mech since I don't have the ridiculous fucking speed required to play Bio effectively.


That's why. Mech is generally easier to play than bio, which is why most bio players are upset when they lose to mech, I guess, because most of the time they're mechanically superior, but less used to certain types of situations, like when you're facing a canon rush as Z for example.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
May 18 2020 21:30 GMT
#14
On May 19 2020 06:21 Danglars wrote:
Just use it sparingly to make people stop the “trust me, I’m masters, and my opening destroys it.”

Like any tool, this would be vulnerable to abuse, as is true with streamers that are too itchy on the ban button, period.


Streamers like that are only hurting themselves since it hurts their viewer numbers. It's in a streamer's best interest not to abuse these tools. Some do anyway but hey, hurting themselves.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 21:32:08
May 18 2020 21:31 GMT
#15
On May 19 2020 06:30 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2020 06:02 Vindicare605 wrote:
I just have more success with Mech since I don't have the ridiculous fucking speed required to play Bio effectively.


That's why. Mech is generally easier to play than bio, which is why most bio players are upset when they lose to mech, I guess, because most of the time they're mechanically superior, but less used to certain types of situations, like when you're facing a canon rush as Z for example.


I don't get this argument at all especially in TvT. If I'm meching, I'm pretty much yielding tempo and map control to the Bio player, I do my best to put what pressure I can but Bio has the advantage there.

If they can't take proper advantage of that before I move out and crush them then that's their problem not mine.

Also, nothing stopping people from playing Mech in TvT if they think it's easier, same reason I don't go late game vs Protoss if I can avoid it.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 21:41:09
May 18 2020 21:40 GMT
#16
It's easier but annoying to play for a lot of T players, you tell it yourself, you get better results playing because you are not fast enough to keep the pace with bio. Like, a diamond could easily get a much higher mmr spamming 4rax but it's just annoying, and we are playing a game, and in this game, most of terrans get fun playing bio, I didn't say there is something wrong playing mech, just that it's an heterodox terran playstyle that is good up to a certain level, and it's obvious that some people have more fun in mech than in bio, Avilo is a nice example.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
May 18 2020 22:01 GMT
#17
On May 19 2020 06:40 DieuCure wrote:
It's easier but annoying to play for a lot of T players, you tell it yourself, you get better results playing because you are not fast enough to keep the pace with bio. Like, a diamond could easily get a much higher mmr spamming 4rax but it's just annoying, and we are playing a game, and in this game, most of terrans get fun playing bio, I didn't say there is something wrong playing mech, just that it's an heterodox terran playstyle that is good up to a certain level, and it's obvious that some people have more fun in mech than in bio, Avilo is a nice example.


Don't misunderstand me, when I say I don't have the speed, I mean SPECIFICALLY against Zerg.

Against Protoss I mostly use Marine/Tank timings, and if it does go Late Game I do play Bio/Ghost/Viking like everyone else. I just don't open straight Bio comps.

Against other Terrans honestly most of those matches are over in the early or midgame due to whose opener does what. I honestly only get to play late game mech like I want to in like 25% of my games if that.

The only match up that you could say I'm exclusively a Mech player is TvZ. I can't do all of the drop harass and marine splitting shit without suffering hard on my macro.

but yea Bio vs Zerg? Fuck that. Too hard to play, Zerg can just a-move Banelings and I lose. I'd rather take my chances with Mech and make them beat me other ways.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 18 2020 22:04 GMT
#18
Also, if this tool is used on “mech is easier than bio” and he’s way better than me, I have context for that opinion. If it’s mid diamond, maybe I learn more about TvT in that league.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-18 22:05:27
May 18 2020 22:05 GMT
#19
On May 19 2020 07:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'd rather take my chances with Mech and make them beat me other ways.


Well, I would go for the same answer then, but TvT -> TvZ, you play mech because it's the easiest way, and it can annoy people, it's not that hard to understand.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16055 Posts
May 18 2020 22:08 GMT
#20
On May 19 2020 07:05 DieuCure wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2020 07:01 Vindicare605 wrote:
I'd rather take my chances with Mech and make them beat me other ways.


Well, I would go for the same answer then, but TvT -> TvZ, you play mech because it's the easiest way, and it can annoy people, it's not that hard to understand.


I don't see how they can possibly be annoyed honestly. Why do Protoss players use Storm? That's fucking annoying, but it's effective so they do it.

Why do Zergs use Swarm Hosts? That's annoying, they shouldn't play that way!

People that get annoyed with people for playing an effective style honestly have the wrong attitude. Starcraft is great partly because there's so many different ways and styles to play. The game would be super boring if there was only ONE way to play each match up.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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