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Shopify TSL 5 - The Bracket

Text byJulmust
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May 11th, 2020 17:29 GMT
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Shopify TSL 5 Bracket announcement

After two weeks of intense qualfiers, we're now just days away from the start of the main event. Which means that it's time to, finally, announce our bracket.

Before we get to the good stuff, we want to make two notes regarding the seeding process. We want to be transparent but also explain why this is not a conflict of interest, keeping the competitive intergrity of the EPT intact.

Creating the bracket
TL.net and Team Liquid have always been close which, in most cases, has been a good thing for both parties. In this instance, though, there are some potential problems. With four Liquid players qualifying for the main event, we want to make sure that the integrity of TSL 5, and the EPT as a whole, is not questioned. We therefore decided to give DreamHack full control over creating the bracket. We gave feedback on the seeding tiebreakers but the final decision was made by DreamHack, without any interference from Liquid staff.

Breaking ties
The first round of the main event was seeded according to current EPT points. In this, there were two ties:

  • Elazer and soO
  • TIME and Future
2019 WCS points was chosen to use as tiebreakers. TIME gained more WCS points in 2019 than Future, hence he gets the higher seed. Breaking the Elazer/soO tie was a bit trickier, as they competed in different systems. So global WCS points earned in 2019 was chosen as a tiebreaker, giving soO the higher seed of the two.

The bracket

We've chosen to go with a 24-man double-elimination bracket for TSL 5. So even if a player got a tough first round matchup, they'll still have the chance to take home the entire tournament.

The entire upper bracket will feature Bo5's. The first round of the lower bracket will be Bo3 but after that it's back to Bo5's for the players. Then when we reach the grand final, on the 7th of June, we'll up the ante and make it a best of 7.


Only the first rounds of the Upper Bracket shown. For the full, double-elimination bracket, check Liquipedia

The main event and scheduling

The bracket play of TSL 5 will start this Saturday, May 16 12:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00) with the first round of the bracket. However, the bracket will not play out in a strictly "top to bottom" fashion. We want to avoid scheduling players at very uncomfortable hours and may, therefore, move matches around. The matches will not be pushed to other days but will be scheduled when we know the full lineup for each day. Make sure you keep an eye on Liquipedia and our calendar to keep up to date!
You can catch all the action at Twitch.tv/TeamLiquid. See you there!

Oh, one more thing. Of course the TSL needs to have a couple of competitions. Keep an eye on the site to catch them, later on in the week!

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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 17:49:08
May 11 2020 17:48 GMT
#2
On May 12 2020 02:29 Julmust wrote:
Then when we reach the grand final, on the 7th of June

Since when is it the 7th? LickyPiddy still says 23rd May. I didn't realize this tournament was almost a month long!
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Nathanias
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States290 Posts
May 11 2020 17:49 GMT
#3
Clem is gonna have a hell of a matchup coming for him. Excited to watch this bracket play out great spread!
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
May 11 2020 17:49 GMT
#4
On May 12 2020 02:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 02:29 Julmust wrote:
Then when we reach the grand final, on the 7th of June

Since when is it the 7th? LickyPiddy still says 23rd May. I didn't realize this tournament was almost a month long!


sounds like it's time to earn more Liquipedia coins by editing in the new date
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
May 11 2020 17:55 GMT
#5
On May 12 2020 02:49 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 02:48 Elentos wrote:
On May 12 2020 02:29 Julmust wrote:
Then when we reach the grand final, on the 7th of June

Since when is it the 7th? LickyPiddy still says 23rd May. I didn't realize this tournament was almost a month long!


sounds like it's time to earn more Liquipedia coins by editing in the new date

That's not enough for a coin
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England896 Posts
May 11 2020 18:01 GMT
#6
Why is lower bracket round one best of three, seems random! Otherwise very fun bracket
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:04:20
May 11 2020 18:01 GMT
#7
In the end we got a nice mix of favourites and underdogs. Having a double elim. tournament that lasts this long has some upsides and downsides. On one hand the players have more time to prep. for their matches (a rarity outside of Korea), on the other we'll see what the scheduling will be like.

Incidentally what (if any) is the winner's bracket advantage for the finals?
Liquid`MaNa
Profile Joined October 2009
Poland104 Posts
May 11 2020 18:09 GMT
#8
With three Liquid players qualifying for the main event


Excuse me, three? Heresy!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:11:56
May 11 2020 18:10 GMT
#9
Overall bracket seems fine, I would have liked even less mirrors in the opening round (especially cause 2 out of the 3 round one mirrors lead into more mirrors).
On May 12 2020 03:09 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
With three Liquid players qualifying for the main event


Excuse me, three? Heresy!
One of you guys just got fired, but who is it?
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51480 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 19:14:49
May 11 2020 18:11 GMT
#10
Reynor, Future and Heromarine is a beautiful bracket too, 3 awesome young players. (all be it heromarine is 22 xD)
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
May 11 2020 18:12 GMT
#11
On May 12 2020 03:11 Pandemona wrote:
Reynor, Future and Heromarine is a beautiful bracket too, 3 awesome young europeann players. (all be it heromarine is 22 xD)

Yeah Heromarine isn't that young and Future isn't that European.
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Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:14:47
May 11 2020 18:13 GMT
#12
What happens in the Grand Finals? Does the Winner's Bracket receive a 1 game advantage?

I reckon a good way for the Winner's Bracket to receive an advantage is to get 4 map picks.
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
May 11 2020 18:16 GMT
#13
On May 12 2020 03:09 Liquid`MaNa wrote:
Show nested quote +
With three Liquid players qualifying for the main event


Excuse me, three? Heresy!

YOU SAW NOTHING!
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:21:48
May 11 2020 18:19 GMT
#14
On May 12 2020 03:13 Azzur wrote:
What happens in the Grand Finals? Does the Winner's Bracket receive a 1 game advantage?

I reckon a good way for the Winner's Bracket to receive an advantage is to get 4 map picks.

How would that work in practice? Cause in order for that to have an effect on a bo7 with a 7 map pool you couldn't go A-B-A-B until one map is left. A-A-B-A-B-A-B seems like a pretty big hole to dig yourself out of as the guy from the loser bracket.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
May 11 2020 18:27 GMT
#15
On May 12 2020 03:19 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 03:13 Azzur wrote:
What happens in the Grand Finals? Does the Winner's Bracket receive a 1 game advantage?

I reckon a good way for the Winner's Bracket to receive an advantage is to get 4 map picks.

How would that work in practice? Cause in order for that to have an effect on a bo7 with a 7 map pool you couldn't go A-B-A-B until one map is left. A-A-B-A-B-A-B seems like a pretty big hole to dig yourself out of as the guy from the loser bracket.

I thought there were more maps than 7 with players vetoing them.

However, in the current situation of 7 maps, I would go A-B-A-B-A-B-A. The theory is that the Winner Bracket gets to play on the most preferred map on the last match.
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
May 11 2020 18:31 GMT
#16
#JusticeForSkillous

Lets hope the cross server delay won't affect the players' performances too much. It'd be sad to have that kinda drama for such a big prize pool event
rly ?
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
May 11 2020 18:36 GMT
#17
On May 12 2020 03:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
In the end we got a nice mix of favourites and underdogs. Having a double elim. tournament that lasts this long has some upsides and downsides. On one hand the players have more time to prep. for their matches (a rarity outside of Korea), on the other we'll see what the scheduling will be like.

Incidentally what (if any) is the winner's bracket advantage for the finals?


no advantage for the finals (what imo is stupid, but what ever, the format of 24DE is already a pretty bad idea (its only used 3 times before on the whole sc2 liquipedia for a reason))
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55510 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:42:45
May 11 2020 18:40 GMT
#18
On May 12 2020 03:36 hjpalpha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 03:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
In the end we got a nice mix of favourites and underdogs. Having a double elim. tournament that lasts this long has some upsides and downsides. On one hand the players have more time to prep. for their matches (a rarity outside of Korea), on the other we'll see what the scheduling will be like.

Incidentally what (if any) is the winner's bracket advantage for the finals?


no advantage for the finals (what imo is stupid, but what ever, the format of 24DE is already a pretty bad idea (its only used 3 times before on the whole sc2 liquipedia for a reason))

I dunno, I'm okay with the player from the winner bracket having some sort of advantage but I'm never ever in favor of having a chance that a tournament ends on a default map win that only arbitrarily exists because "Well we should give them SOMETHING".
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33339 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-05-11 18:46:48
May 11 2020 18:43 GMT
#19
On May 12 2020 03:36 hjpalpha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 03:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
In the end we got a nice mix of favourites and underdogs. Having a double elim. tournament that lasts this long has some upsides and downsides. On one hand the players have more time to prep. for their matches (a rarity outside of Korea), on the other we'll see what the scheduling will be like.

Incidentally what (if any) is the winner's bracket advantage for the finals?


no advantage for the finals (what imo is stupid, but what ever, the format of 24DE is already a pretty bad idea (its only used 3 times before on the whole sc2 liquipedia for a reason))


The gradual acceptance of no-advantage double elim finals in various esports is a pretty interesting phenomenon (besides the FGC anyway). Perhaps it's reflective of viewer taste that is willing to compromise absolute competitive consistency for entertainment's sake. I recall the Stout MSL finals in 2003 where Nal_Ra won a sub 60-minute 3-0 due to having a one map upper bracket adv—MSL eliminated the winners adv after that.
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
hjpalpha
Profile Joined August 2017
Germany339 Posts
May 11 2020 18:46 GMT
#20
On May 12 2020 03:43 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 12 2020 03:36 hjpalpha wrote:
On May 12 2020 03:01 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
In the end we got a nice mix of favourites and underdogs. Having a double elim. tournament that lasts this long has some upsides and downsides. On one hand the players have more time to prep. for their matches (a rarity outside of Korea), on the other we'll see what the scheduling will be like.

Incidentally what (if any) is the winner's bracket advantage for the finals?


no advantage for the finals (what imo is stupid, but what ever, the format of 24DE is already a pretty bad idea (its only used 3 times before on the whole sc2 liquipedia for a reason))


The gradual acceptance of no-advantage double elim finals in various esports is a pretty interesting phenomenon (besides the FGC anyway). Perhaps it's reflective of viewer taste that is willing to compromise absolute competitive consistency for entertainment's sake. I recall the Stout MSL finals in 2003 where Nal_Ra won a sub 60-minute 3-0 due to having a one map upper bracket adv—MSL eliminated the winners adv after that).


Well players dislike it pretty much from what i heared, same goes for a 24-DE bracket btw.
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