EPTAlso the point someone made above about the winner finalist not losing any matches and then losing the finals isn't very valid either. For this event that could theoretically happen but most events have group stages and in several SC2 events the winners bracket finalist had lost group stage match(es) while his opponent didn't so it happened that they finished with the same or outright worse series score but still won the event because of winners bracket advantage. How is that fair? Winners bracket advantage is never fair in StarCraft.
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
Also the point someone made above about the winner finalist not losing any matches and then losing the finals isn't very valid either. For this event that could theoretically happen but most events have group stages and in several SC2 events the winners bracket finalist had lost group stage match(es) while his opponent didn't so it happened that they finished with the same or outright worse series score but still won the event because of winners bracket advantage. How is that fair? Winners bracket advantage is never fair in StarCraft. | ||
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Danka
Peru1018 Posts
On May 12 2020 11:23 JJH777 wrote: It is not true that there is no advantage for the winner bracket player. They have to play 1-2 less series to get there. That is enough of an advantage by itself. Especially for Protoss/Terran who rely on prepared builds. Anything more is just dumb and makes the final feel lost already. Also the point someone made above about the winner finalist not losing any matches and then losing the finals isn't very valid either. For this event that could theoretically happen but most events have group stages and in several SC2 events the winners bracket finalist had lost group stage match(es) while his opponent didn't so it happened that they finished with the same or outright worse series score but still won the event because of winners bracket advantage. How is that fair? Winners bracket advantage is never fair in StarCraft. This is the same thing I was thinking. The finals are the finals. The final showdown. You can squibble about who got scratched more to get there but what's important is who wins the final showdown. In other sports, teams will all have varying stats before the 2 best reach the final game, but then, its about what happens on that day. And so many BO5s is going to be lots of amazing SC2!. Pumped! <3 | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 12 2020 11:23 JJH777 wrote: It is not true that there is no advantage for the winner bracket player. They have to play 1-2 less series to get there. That is enough of an advantage by itself. Especially for Protoss/Terran who rely on prepared builds. Anything more is just dumb and makes the final feel lost already. Also the point someone made above about the winner finalist not losing any matches and then losing the finals isn't very valid either. For this event that could theoretically happen but most events have group stages and in several SC2 events the winners bracket finalist had lost group stage match(es) while his opponent didn't so it happened that they finished with the same or outright worse series score but still won the event because of winners bracket advantage. How is that fair? Winners bracket advantage is never fair in StarCraft. The entire point of a double elimination bracket is that everyone has to lose twice. The earlier you lose for the first time, the more games you have to play by its very nature. Giving a second chance to everyone except for one player is manifestly unfair towards them. And the argument that "anything more is just dumb and makes the final feel lost already" isn't arguing that it's fair, but rather than this unfairness is acceptable for the sake of entertainment, which is entirely different. | ||
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TelecoM
United States10890 Posts
Vanya, best of luck to you man! All of the match ups look very exciting. | ||
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HeroSandro
542 Posts
On May 12 2020 12:21 GGzerG wrote: Oddly enough it looks like Serral is going to not hit any Koreans until Round 4 potentially, Serral finals anyone? Vanya, best of luck to you man! All of the match ups look very exciting. He will most likely play against Reynor, so it going to be tough. | ||
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Rob-Zero
Germany460 Posts
I´m hyped for this event, as I was for every TSL, can´t wait for it to start already, or better, get some good reads beforehand by the TL.net staff ?!  | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
will VODs be available? i'm turning 30 this weekend, so i'll be busy Corona-mode-celebrating. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Cool that we have double elim tho, but so many mirror matchups coming up, at least in the upper bracket. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On May 12 2020 15:06 Geo.Rion wrote: TL could have done a better job rigging the bracket, I mean, look at it, certain players can get into the winners finals by playing only mirror matchups, smh. (Parting, Mana, Showtime, Serral, Sepcial, Time, Cure) Cool that we have double elim tho, but so many mirror matchups coming up, at least in the upper bracket. Well obviously non-mirror matches would have been nicer, but as this gives EPT Points, there should be some propper seeding mechanism in place, to make it fair. So nothing realy to do about the mirrors. | ||
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Azhrak
Finland1198 Posts
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StarcraftPeffo
Italy66 Posts
Day 9 comes in sunday, right? Not that i've anything against ZG Wardii e Rotti, just hyped for the comeback | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7427 Posts
 I'm very happy that we get some high quality Starcraft! That said, I'd love it to be more group stagey. Groups of 4 (GSL style) or at least Groups of 6 (round robin) . GSL style has incredible hype potential (like the recent group A) while still beeing incredible fair to all players | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
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stilt
France2755 Posts
And even worst, it's the reason why we got some stupid situations where losing brought a better seed. And no advantage for the player from the winner bracket ? Wtf | ||
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2223 Posts
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom437 Posts
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On May 12 2020 17:57 stilt wrote: This format is such a hype killer. And even worst, it's the reason why we got some stupid situations where losing brought a better seed. And no advantage for the player from the winner bracket ? Wtf unfortunate about the qualifiers, but what's this new outrage about no winner finalist advantage? It's not a thing, it hasnt been a thing for a long time, and it lead to shitty finals when it was a thing years ago. The people who usually end up winning the upper bracket are anyways the best players, like Maru, Serral, Dark it's fine that they're "robbed" of a second chance. On the flip side, they're always invited to everything and have highly preferential treatment in the beginning (skipping rounds, being nr 1-2 seed in brackets, the whole group-picking thing in GSL). Overall it balances out, and it would make no sense to bring back the archaic 1 map advantage from like 2013 or so. | ||
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Julmust
Sweden4867 Posts
On May 12 2020 17:02 StarcraftPeffo wrote: Day 9 comes in sunday, right? Correct! On May 12 2020 18:46 LemonyTang wrote: Are servers still being decided by the 'fairest' rule? No. There will be another rule in place. There is still a (very) small amount of leeway for server scheduling but it's not the fairest server rule used in the qualifier. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
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