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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On May 03 2020 02:01 TheOneAboveU wrote: What you're saying is wrong. EU or NA players can play in KR but have to commit to it, so they can't play on EU/NA (Scarlett chose KR, for example). Possible, I didn't see anything about that from skimming the rules. Give me a quote? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 03 2020 02:13 Klyberess wrote: Possible, I didn't see anything about that from skimming the rules. Give me a quote? Players with South Korean nationality are only eligible to play in the Korean server qualifiers (no change). Players with citizenship or permanent residency in countries other than South Korea may choose to compete in EITHER the Global Qualifiers (NA/EU servers) or Korean server qualifiers. from: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/558968-shopify-tsl-5-update-invitees-ept-and-qualifiers | ||
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On May 03 2020 02:20 ZigguratOfUr wrote: from: https://tl.net/forum/starcraft-2/558968-shopify-tsl-5-update-invitees-ept-and-qualifiers Fair enough, are the rules on the ESL tournament page not official then? Because they make no mention of this. Edit: I would appreciate some clarification on the "new policy" detailed on that page: "New policy: Players with South Korean nationality are only eligible to play in the Korean server qualifiers (no change). Players with citizenship or permanent residency in countries other than South Korea may choose to compete in EITHER the Global Qualifiers (NA/EU servers) or Korean server qualifiers." It would seem to imply that South Koreans with foreign residency are both eligible and not eligible to play on NA/EU. | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
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sneakyfox
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
Both the winner's and the loser's finals are default wins.... we could have had quite a few long and high stakes series between some of the best foreigners. From a player's perspective, i cant imagine how frustrating it could have been to be eliminated by Lambo or Special in the NA qualifier, once they were already in the EU winner's finals. Not to mention the server problems. Really sad to see such an unfortunate string of events. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20328 Posts
On May 02 2020 23:37 stilt wrote: I wouldn't call it transparency considering these apologies only mention the mana vs special match but do not refer to Vanya and Skillous (his comments here : ) who got unfairly treated too. This is an incredibly dumb situation, i agree with skillous 100%. EU qualifier goes on EU server period. NA quali goes on NA server. Should not be complicated. Why would there be a rule that says that if somebody from another region wants to play, the EU qualifier will be moved onto a server outside of EU? Why is this ridiculous rule being upheld despite, as admitted, contradicting the rules when the tournament started? There hasn't been anywhere near adequate justification given. Majorly screwing up once isn't a free pass to continue doing so in the name of consistency. Why are some people eligible to compete in all three qualifiers while others are only eligible for one or two of the three - especially considering said rule that forces players of their home region's qualifier to use unfavorable servers to match those who are eligible for more than their fair share of qualifiers? If somebody wants to play on EU qualifier but has bad ping to EU that's 1000% on them. You shouldn't screw over the EU player in the EU qualifier to make it equally shit for both players. At this point i would be seriously considering rewriting the rules to avoid these problems and starting the qualifiers over as a 2.0. It's not worth compromising the whole tournament with fairness/bias problems like this IMO. Yeah it's a pain for the admins but it's a huge deal for the integrity of the game, the players and the viewers. | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
On May 03 2020 10:14 Cyro wrote: This is an incredibly dumb situation, i agree with skillous 100%. EU qualifier goes on EU server period. NA quali goes on NA server. Should not be complicated. Why would there be a rule that says that if somebody from another region wants to play, the EU qualifier will be moved onto a server outside of EU? Why is this ridiculous rule being upheld despite, as admitted, contradicting the rules when the tournament started? There hasn't been anywhere near adequate justification given. Majorly screwing up once isn't a free pass to continue doing so in the name of consistency. Why are some people eligible to compete in all three qualifiers while others are only eligible for one or two of the three - especially considering said rule that forces players of their home region's qualifier to use unfavorable servers to match those who are eligible for more than their fair share of qualifiers? If somebody wants to play on EU qualifier but has bad ping to EU that's 1000% on them. You shouldn't screw over the EU player in the EU qualifier to make it equally shit for both players. At this point i would be seriously considering rewriting the rules to avoid these problems and starting the qualifiers over as a 2.0. It's not worth compromising the whole tournament with fairness/bias problems like this IMO. Yeah it's a pain for the admins but it's a huge deal for the integrity of the game, the players and the viewers. I think the game lacking a lot of really good players is a reason for these server rules. Can you imagine if Reynor or Heromarine got knocked and couldn't qualify for the main event? I mean we're already seeing it in GSL. Code A is gone. Code S round of 32 has become round of 24, and even then, some players are imo, fringe Code S players. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8990 Posts
On May 03 2020 12:55 geokilla wrote: I think the game lacking a lot of really good players is a reason for these server rules. Can you imagine if Reynor or Heromarine got knocked and couldn't qualify for the main event? I mean we're already seeing it in GSL. Code A is gone. Code S round of 32 has become round of 24, and even then, some players are imo, fringe Code S players. Honestly I'd love for a bit of variety, we won't have any offline event all year long, if we don't arrange the qualifiers that probably mean no Chinese, SEA or NA player outside of Neeb and Special getting the chance to play vs Europeans all year long. I much better have an event once in a while where the eu qualifier leave out a few player, but I can get MaSa vs Harstem or Nice vs Special in a quarter final rather than my fifth edition of Clem vs Reynor and Heromarine vs Elazer of the week. | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4267 Posts
On May 03 2020 12:50 dbRic1203 wrote: Mana found the reason why the Qualifier is called NA in the first place https://twitter.com/Liquid_MaNa/status/1256711635999350790 where can I watch the VOD from these games? this got me very interested.. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
I can't believe it's surprising everyone now that issues occur in these kind of circumstances. Someone just fucked up. TL, I am disappoint. Still, shut up and take my money - I love TSL. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
- Players may agree to play the match on whichever server. This allows for instance, 2 NA players to agree to play on NA in the EU qualifiers. - If the players cannot agree, then the match is played on the qualifier's server, i.e. EU qualifiers played on the EU server. | ||
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Wogrim
14 Posts
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Olli
Austria24422 Posts
On May 04 2020 05:13 Wogrim wrote: So this "double qualifier" thing is basically match fixing? Not one match was fixed. Two players qualified twice. That meant they could have played a meaningless match in which the loser automatically qualifies from the other qualifier but they didn't. There was no match played where the outcome was predetermined, which is what match-fixing is. There have been lots of mistakes made with these qualifiers but match-fixing, especially given historical context in SC2, is a pretty serious accusation you might want to be careful with throwing around carelessly. | ||
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FairAndSquare1
1 Post
On May 04 2020 06:02 Olli wrote: Not one match was fixed. Two players qualified twice. That meant they could have played a meaningless match in which the loser automatically qualifies from the other qualifier but they didn't. There was no match played where the outcome was predetermined, which is what match-fixing is. There have been lots of mistakes made with these qualifiers but match-fixing, especially given historical context in SC2, is a pretty serious accusation you might want to be careful with throwing around carelessly. Agreeing with you Olli, match fixing is too strong of a word, especially considering there were no top seed(direct to round 2) awarded to these 2 qualifiers, would be a different story otherwise. That said, people like Skillous not being able to qualify (yet? fingers crossed) due to unpublished rules, even if I understand the reasonning, is a bit sad. If there was any way to give them a shot be it from LB or something in the tournament structure that would awesome (but I am also not sure exactly how without breaking fairness for other players...) | ||
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
Historically a european qualifier was played on the european ladder, some players have very low ping and some others have rather high ping depending on where they live. Is that fair and a well deserved advantage, not really right? Consider that all the World besides korea have to play on either EU or AM ladder, obviously it isn't fair from the start. The rule that makes all players having to play with the closest ping actually gives all players in the tournament the most level footing. Central european players that are used to get a ping advantage compared to some players, why do they deserve this ingame advantage? I Think that two brackets were being played simultaneously was a bigger issue. The EU and AM qualifiers have been played on the respective servers forever and I get that that is how it has Always been but taht doesn't mean that it is 100% fair to everyone nor does it mean that it should Always be like that. | ||
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