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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
For those who don't know, aleksib helped the team achieve some amazing results at the Major (equivalent of Blizzcon) and with the kicking, they are becoming less and less relevant. Hopefully Serral doesn't get affected by this but it's hard to see how he doesn't. He's part of their team and sponsors are what keeps teams running. With all the negativity in the past few months surrounding ENCE, I imagine Serral is facing some uncertainty about his future there. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany7139 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:07 geokilla wrote: In CS:GO, they basically signed one of their players (aleksib) to a contract extension, knowing he was going to get kicked shortly after the contrast extension. . How does that even work? He gets a nice severence check and doesn't have to do anything for it? Sounds nice | ||
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phodacbiet
United States1740 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:12 InfCereal wrote: Yes, with Serral's disappointing and lackluster results these past 2 years, he will have a very hard time finding a new team should ENCE dissolve. ROOT will probably pick him up. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States726 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:46 digmouse wrote: I secretly (not secretly) want some Chinese team to pick Serral up and move him to Korea. DPG Serral would be OP. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:25 Harris1st wrote: How does that even work? He gets a nice severence check and doesn't have to do anything for it? Sounds nice That's not how it works. Players want to play and compete and he can't compete because he got benched but wasn't released. No one wanted to pay the absurd buyout fee for him because of that contract. Https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/ctg5ts/dekay_says_the_reason_why_aleksib_is_being/?utm_source=amp&utm_medium=&utm_content=comments_view_all | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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lechatnoir
392 Posts
Dick move by them anyway if true. | ||
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
Aleksib situation has been fiasco and ENCE's CS:GO side is probably too centralised around old Finnish CS:GO players that have key positions in the organisation and are old friends. | ||
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It's britney bitch
26 Posts
What comes to ence yes I understood they have sold pieces to active roster players of the org? Similar to danish astralis #1, where all 5 active players are (equal?) share owners. In general it sounds like a very bad idea start selling ownership to active roster players as then some players hold more power than others. Only if they have the same level of ownership like in astralis could it work. | ||
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Vutalisk
United States680 Posts
Changing players in active roster is a very common move in CSGO scene. Happen literally everyday someone gets kicked/replaced. Frankly, ENCE in my opinion is a decent CSGO team but their peak was during the time of some slumps from big teams like Astralis, Fnatic, FaZe and even MIBR. I find their success is opportunistic at best. People love to hype up a team prematurely and then they failed to deliver in consistent matter. Then, probably got destroyed by roster changes due to the pressure of delivering good results. That is how it goes in CSGO scene. Nothing surprising here. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19320 Posts
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yht9657
1810 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:46 digmouse wrote: I secretly (not secretly) want some Chinese team to pick Serral up and move him to Korea. I hope so as well but it can be hard for a man to leave his homeland when he's got his own golf land there. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
I mean this is literally what happens to professional wrestling all the time. Guy signs deal company won't let him go despite not using him he requests release company says yeah no. don't know the details of this situation but compared to a lot of scummy stuff I've seen in esports this seems very minor. | ||
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DivinesiaTV
Finland58 Posts
CS division I dont know, it looks strange, but on SC2 side: no need to pity Serral, he is in good hands!  | ||
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FBTsingLoong
China410 Posts
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WeakOwl
25 Posts
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Anna0050
2 Posts
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WeakOwl
25 Posts
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Hiisi
14 Posts
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CicadaSC
United States1898 Posts
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On December 21 2019 00:25 CicadaSC wrote: a major is not the equivalent of BlizzCon... aren't there multiple majors in a year...? There are only two majors annually. | ||
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vyzion87
17 Posts
On December 20 2019 03:12 InfCereal wrote: Yes, with Serral's disappointing and lackluster results these past 2 years, he will have a very hard time finding a new team should ENCE dissolve. Ditto | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
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Lambertus
South Africa979 Posts
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On December 17 2020 05:57 geokilla wrote: This is an old thread, but ENCE is in the spotlight in CS:GO again. I'm honestly surprised Serral is still with ENCE given how they are such an unlikable team. https://twitter.com/ENCE/status/1339232365466488834 As far as I know, Serral and ENCE get on well and having a finnish team proves to be useful for him. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On December 17 2020 06:42 Lambertus wrote: All good and well but what exactly happenend? https://www.reddit.com/r/GlobalOffensive/comments/kebdbo/ence_is_internally_evaluating_their_csgo_teams/gg1k1an/ Allu went on HLTV confirmed earlier this week and talked about Ence's internal problems. Sergej, who went inactive with Ence to go do Finnish military service, tweeted that not all everything that Allu said was true and that Allu deserved some of the blame. That tweet was retweeted/liked/commented on by multiple former and currently benched Ence members. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
So as I see it, ENCE will disband csgo roster and renew it, not shut it because of financial problems or smth. I dont know about LOL but its safe to assume Serral is safe unless they want to completely shutdown team. Csgo players are in talks with other teams as new players are in contact with ence. Just, covid pandemics affects their scene much deeper then sc2. | ||
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SamirDuran
Philippines895 Posts
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
For Serral this situation can be problematic, if ENCE starts to lose sponsors etc. However I think that most teams can not provide much for SC players, because they do not have many high level players that can be exclusive practice partners or coaches. Most teams can provide some salary and equipment in addition to cover travels. Specially for Serral there seems to be no need for apartment or special training from sport psychologist etc.that ENCE could possibly provide. Also I don't know for sure but I expect that tournament payments etc. are bit easier to run through Finnish organization that probably knows better how to work with Finnish taxation etc. IIRC Serral's contract is up at end of year, so there is possibility that he could switch teams to another Finnish team or some big international one. | ||
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iMECH_KolosS
Canada61 Posts
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elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden177 Posts
Liquid´serral sounds pretty good aswell | ||
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algue
France1436 Posts
On December 20 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote: Unless you're in a team league, SC2 teams don't mean that much. For someone like Serral who clearly makes enough from prize pools, there's no real need to be on a team. If there does happen to be any trouble with ENCE, I wouldn't be surprised if Serral just went teamless. He's already shown that he doesn't really want to travel. Progaming careers are short lived and domination periods are even shorter lived. I doubt saying teams don't mean much is a reasonable business move for any Sc2 player no matter how much money they made from prize money. | ||
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Starcloud
138 Posts
However, personally I would like him to switch it up and get some good team from Europe, or some org/sponsor starting a new one and build the team around Serral. Then when his career starts to close some day he could stay as a couch/team leader or something if he wishes. While Liquid is one of my favourite teams, I would like to get more competitive field there too, so Shopify(?)/Red Bull/Team Rotti and others, recruit him asap ! Would be nice to see him in some kind of team-leagues and revive that scene also. Oh well, one can always dream.. | ||
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swarminfestor
Malaysia2449 Posts
I hoped so. Would love to see how Rogue, Dark and perhaps Serral mingled to keep their team delivering the best performances throughout the season. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
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Legan
Finland577 Posts
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tedster
984 Posts
Especially for someone who's been established with a team for a long time, there can be a major quality of life impact that makes them want to stay with the same org if this stuff is handled to their liking. Yeah, Serral could find a new team willing to pay him to add their tag to his handle - but there's probably a lot more to consider there related to quality of representation/local ties/all sorts of other stuff that matters to him as well. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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RKC
2848 Posts
On December 17 2020 21:09 Legan wrote: The situation is not looking good for ENCE because management being heavily in hands of former Finnish CS:GO players and CS:GO clearly being their biggest thing. Mishandling of the team is probably heavily caused by Allu, the team's captain, being too influential in decision making. They probably need to remove Allu and some others to gain trust in future. For Serral this situation can be problematic, if ENCE starts to lose sponsors etc. However I think that most teams can not provide much for SC players, because they do not have many high level players that can be exclusive practice partners or coaches. Most teams can provide some salary and equipment in addition to cover travels. Specially for Serral there seems to be no need for apartment or special training from sport psychologist etc.that ENCE could possibly provide. Also I don't know for sure but I expect that tournament payments etc. are bit easier to run through Finnish organization that probably knows better how to work with Finnish taxation etc. IIRC Serral's contract is up at end of year, so there is possibility that he could switch teams to another Finnish team or some big international one. What's up with Finnish taxation? I read somewhere a while back how Finland actually makes all tax records publicly accessible or something. Do they also have a complicated tax formula which accounts for all income worldwide wherever generated and multiple tax breaks (i.e. US)? | ||
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kmh
Finland351 Posts
> Kaiken kohun keskellä varjoon on jäänyt ENCEn uutinen siitä, että se vetäytyy League of Legends -pelistä. Seuralla oli paikka pohjoismaisen NLC-liigan seuraavalle kaudelle, mutta ENCE haluaa tiedotteensa mukaan keskittää voimavaransa muihin peleihin. Niissä sentään kulkee, sillä Joona "Serral" Sotala on yhä Starcraft 2:n maailman kärkeä ja Aleksi Virolaisen entisen joukkuekaverin Jari "SENTEX" Sammalniemen valmentama PUBG-joukkue matkaa ensi vuonna Etelä-Koreassa pelattavaan miljoonaturnaukseen. Translated : > In the midst of the uproar many have missed the news about ENCE pulling out of LoL. According to their press release, ENCE wants to focus their resources on other games. At least the team is doing well in those games. Joona "Serral" Sotala is still one of the best players in Starcraft 2, and the PUBG team captained by SENTEX is going to the million-dollar prize pool finals held in South Korea next year. ---- In other words, chill out, ENCE SC2 is fine. | ||
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Chris_Havoc
United States600 Posts
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Luolis
Finland7162 Posts
On December 18 2020 02:26 geokilla wrote: ENCE just lost Aerial on their CS:GO roster. sergej is gone too. I think it's safe to say ENCE is shutting down. They no longer have a 5 man roster. That is the stupidest shit i've read in a while | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On December 31 2020 03:25 Chris_Havoc wrote: Serral extends his contract with ENCE for 2021: https://twitter.com/ENCE/status/1344297588904910848 This is interesting. Let's hope it's the right move. | ||
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Akio
Finland1838 Posts
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Good news, congrats Serral and Ence . | ||
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Weavel
Finland9222 Posts
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Slydie
1935 Posts
On December 20 2019 05:58 pvsnp wrote: Unless you're in a team league, SC2 teams don't mean that much. For someone like Serral who clearly makes enough from prize pools, there's no real need to be on a team. If there does happen to be any trouble with ENCE, I wouldn't be surprised if Serral just went teamless. He's already shown that he doesn't really want to travel. Teams can provide coaching, practice partners, a salary and exposure, but for someone like Serral, it would really be about management. When to do which qualifier, scheduling, travel arrangements, negotiating contracts, prize money, setting up show matches and everything else which so he can focus better on playing the game. | ||
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MrShankly
United Kingdom371 Posts
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MdarkKreller
United States4 Posts
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