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Khabra
Poland40 Posts
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
It's one of the reasons ladder anxiety can be so bad. I know when I used to play, if I came off an intense 20-30 minute game my hands would be shaking and I would be taking shallow quick breaths. It is not necessarily related to overall health, as it's a stress response as opposed to a condition. If you play multiple games every day and acclimatize the body to it though, you can definitely minimize the response. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On December 14 2019 10:25 Amui wrote: High intensity/stress situations(not limited to SC2) can definitely spike your heartrate/blood pressure. Can be anything from SC2 to an interview to travelling. It's the body's way of trying to get you ready for whatever could happen, even if you aren't physically in danger. It's one of the reasons ladder anxiety can be so bad. I know when I used to play, if I came off an intense 20-30 minute game my hands would be shaking and I would be taking shallow quick breaths. It is not necessarily related to overall health, as it's a stress response as opposed to a condition. If you play multiple games every day and acclimatize the body to it though, you can definitely minimize the response. That's incredible how much stress/anxiety you guys talk about. If it was world stage in front of 50k for a title it would click in my head...but a meaningless ladder game? I've had a touch of shakiness and been "keyed up" after an occasional really important tournament game, but nothing like what you describe. That sounds on par with like getting roared out by a mountain lion out of the dark. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
I am gaming for more then 10 years, I am sedentary, fat, smoker, I have all factors to have problems with this but eating healthy, cutting smokes, brisk walking for 60-70 minutes per day lowered HR and BP a bit. You cant expect sitting all day, drinking coffee, smoking, walking 3k steps and be healthy. It's not about SC2, it's about lifestyle. You can be emotional to TV show or work, this isn't any way related to gaming. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On December 14 2019 19:05 JanDe wrote: Sorry guys, but are you insane? Getting HR and BP high from ladder games? I mean, you aren't pros, wtf. I am gaming for more then 10 years, I am sedentary, fat, smoker, I have all factors to have problems with this but eating healthy, cutting smokes, brisk walking for 60-70 minutes per day lowered HR and BP a bit. You cant expect sitting all day, drinking coffee, smoking, walking 3k steps and be healthy. It's not about SC2, it's about lifestyle. You can be emotional to TV show or work, this isn't any way related to gaming. I mean I've been hospitalized before for a panic attack(probably the only time, as I can recognize the signs now and address it). Heart rate over 150, breathing at like 50-60. Prior to the ambulance I had been at home for about 6 hours doing basically nothing aside from progressively feeling more and more like shit. If your brain thinks you're going to die, it literally doesn't matter what your body is doing, it's going to prepare you for battle. It doesn't surprise me at all that some people would get part way there from playing ladder and getting too stressed.. It is not necessarily linked to fitness. Different people handle stress in different ways, and unfortunately, some(me included) don't handle it as well. | ||
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capacityex
27 Posts
High blood pressure is a reult of way too much of something in your body, lots of people say salt but ive had soaring pressures and i limit the intake of this. The science out there is a guide to me as i can (as i have done) tried vegan / /carnovore / veg and other diets and had the same success as i have had failures. For me, i feel the best when everything is in balance. As i near my later years and have used myself as an experiement in these things all i can tell you is sitting around for 40+ minutes with little movement, swilling energy drinks/coffee/sugar drinks is not good. As a very trained athlete i can tell you if ive banged sc2 for 2hrs then gone on a run i want to give up after 2k . . .and i run 27k on the weekend for sheer fun and want to go again when done . . .family stops this thirst i have for the sport! All in moderation people! Some people want to overcomplicate this simple few words and sell you all sorts of shit in terms of products and ideas. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
On December 14 2019 07:52 L_Master wrote: You randomly post links hoping that supports you? Why do this? There is no excuse for posting random links that don't even support what you wrote. You seem unaware that hypertension is a specific medical term, not a catch all term for heart disease. None of those links mention high blood pressure or their medical terms. Various cardiovascular diesease yes, but they are not the same thing as high blood pressure, though hypertension does increase risk of cardiovascular disease. According to known medical research, there is nothing linking being sedentary to hypertension. A sedentary lifestyle is unhealthy and everyone can benefit to changing to a more active and healthy lifestyle. However being sedentary is not one of the risk factors for high blood pressure. There simply is no known link to being sedentary and hypertension. I know this is the internets, but there is utterly no reason to give bad medical advice. + Show Spoiler + On December 14 2019 06:14 Dangermousecatdog wrote: There has no been no real conclusive evidence that being sedentary isolated from all other factors increases the risk to high blood pressure, in the same way that a lack of excercise has been. It's not the playing of games that gives you high blood pressure. And yes, you can get up and move in between games. Don't you need to goto the toilet? I should have caveated by statement a little more stating instead: "which is appearing more and more like a huge risk factor", but my inclination is to take major exception to this statement. Are you suggesting your so up to date on every prominent medical/scientific journal that you know for certain no such studies exist. I believe there are informed people out there that read a decent amount of literature, but your statement is exceedingly confident, even by such standards. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30763169 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27702747 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30111495 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27208318 https://annals.org/aim/article-abstract/2091327/sedentary-time-its-association-risk-disease-incidence-mortality-hospitalization-adults This is a stater pack, there are several dozen other studies all showing these impacts. Some are clinical trials/experimental type studies, some are cohort studies, some are cross sectional studies...and vast majority of them are finding the impact that longer periods of sedentary behavior have, irrespective of exercise or other factors. For you to say "there has been no real conclusive evidence" is just a massive stretch to me. There is never "conclusive" evidence in epidemiology anyways. Just trends, correlations, etc. Is this pattern as established as the beneficial link between exercise and diabetes or BP? No. Of course not. We've only been suspecting and investigating the sitting link aggressively over perhaps the last decade. What evidence we are getting is generally pointing a pretty consistent picture though. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
According to known medical research, there is nothing linking being sedentary to hypertension. A sedentary lifestyle is unhealthy and everyone can benefit to changing to a more active and healthy lifestyle. However being sedentary is not one of the risk factors for high blood pressure. There's plenty of data backing up the current consensus that exercise contributes to a healthy blood pressure and that it contributes to maintaining a lower body fat percentage which is one of the biggest if not the #1 factor in blood pressure control. I don't know why you would dispute either, it's well accepted. Can link some sources later if you like. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
There is no reason to give unfounded medical advice and doubly so to post a bunch of links that doesn't back you up. | ||
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followZeRoX
Serbia1451 Posts
On December 14 2019 20:18 Amui wrote: I mean I've been hospitalized before for a panic attack(probably the only time, as I can recognize the signs now and address it). Heart rate over 150, breathing at like 50-60. Prior to the ambulance I had been at home for about 6 hours doing basically nothing aside from progressively feeling more and more like shit. If your brain thinks you're going to die, it literally doesn't matter what your body is doing, it's going to prepare you for battle. It doesn't surprise me at all that some people would get part way there from playing ladder and getting too stressed.. It is not necessarily linked to fitness. Different people handle stress in different ways, and unfortunately, some(me included) don't handle it as well. I am suffering from anxiety myself and I was also hospitalized once but not becuase of HR. I am not talking about fight or flight mechanism. Inseriouspy doubt someone can activate it from ladder. You need much bigger stress or to persuade yourself you are going to die. I really can'y link out situations and this one. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On December 14 2019 20:27 capacityex wrote: See, i play my healthy dose of starcraft and i do triathlon. you cant circumvent an underlying health problem. Eating too much of anything let alone what we consider to be 'bad' for us and doing too little in the form of excercise will hurt you just as much if i over train or push too hard in a race which takes over 8 hrs to complete. High blood pressure is a reult of way too much of something in your body, lots of people say salt but ive had soaring pressures and i limit the intake of this. The science out there is a guide to me as i can (as i have done) tried vegan / /carnovore / veg and other diets and had the same success as i have had failures. For me, i feel the best when everything is in balance. As i near my later years and have used myself as an experiement in these things all i can tell you is sitting around for 40+ minutes with little movement, swilling energy drinks/coffee/sugar drinks is not good. As a very trained athlete i can tell you if ive banged sc2 for 2hrs then gone on a run i want to give up after 2k . . .and i run 27k on the weekend for sheer fun and want to go again when done . . .family stops this thirst i have for the sport! All in moderation people! Some people want to overcomplicate this simple few words and sell you all sorts of shit in terms of products and ideas. bruh that's cool! i do Triathlon too but tbh i stopped playing sc2 before i started doing tris. considering you said race that takes over 8 hours to complete i'm guessing you do Ironman distance? i just stepped up to Olympic this season after doing a bunch of sprints over the last couple years. will stay at olympic distance for the upcoming season and then consider doing a half. on-topic: i don't think the discussion of whether it's specifically high blood pressure that can be an issue with excessive gaming really matters that much. i think we can all agree that sitting in front of a computer and staring into it for many hours on end every day, little excercise, a diet heavy on saturated fats, refined sugar, salt and caffeine and possibly alcohol and/or nicotine isn't healthy, and it's a good idea to make changes accordingly. that doesn't mean "don't play video games", i don't think anyone would take me seriously anyway if i said that on this forum with my postcount  but try and eat a lot of plant-based foods, reduce meat and dairy consumption, get up and move aorund regularly, stick to a regular sleep schedule... you don't have to become a vegan triathlete or anything (although i do recommend it) just to be healthier and feel better. i know i've only been feeling better and better, more energetic, more productive (at work and without), more confident, the more i've adopted those simple ideas into my lifestyle. i used to work a 30hr job that was quite simple and i felt very tired a lot of the time when i started working there. then i started making all these changes. now i work a much more complex (and better paid) 45-50ish hr job and i feel a lot more energetic and positive than i had in the past | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26221 Posts
Some people can tolerate the stress and adrenaline spikes of playing competitively, some have less tolerance. I had two main hobbies leading into and during my early 20s, playing a lot of guitar and playing a lot of Starcraft. My right elbow is fucked, I can’t throw a ball at any kind of pace without immediate elbow pain after one throw, I get finger pains very quickly, a lot of wrist pains and had carpal tunnel symptoms in both wrists My short term typing speed dropped by 30 words a minute (minute long bursts nothing sustained) over time due to all these issues, which also curtailed me doing work in transcription that I’d previously done. It’s a great and beautiful game, if your body is telling you it’s not enjoying the experience, listen to it. | ||
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swissman777
1106 Posts
On December 14 2019 09:30 Khabra wrote: Trumpeters die young of emphysema, accountatns are hunted by mafia and sc2 players suffer high blood pressure... You don't love it, you don't do it Using that logic, why do we bother going to the hospital/ take care of our health? Everyone dies you know... comes with the condition of living. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. | ||
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RandomPlayer
Russian Federation400 Posts
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On December 14 2019 22:09 Dangermousecatdog wrote: You randomly post links hoping that supports you? Why do this? There is no excuse for posting random links that don't even support what you wrote. You seem unaware that hypertension is a specific medical term, not a catch all term for heart disease. None of those links mention high blood pressure or their medical terms. Various cardiovascular diesease yes, but they are not the same thing as high blood pressure, though hypertension does increase risk of cardiovascular disease. According to known medical research, there is nothing linking being sedentary to hypertension. A sedentary lifestyle is unhealthy and everyone can benefit to changing to a more active and healthy lifestyle. However being sedentary is not one of the risk factors for high blood pressure. There simply is no known link to being sedentary and hypertension. I know this is the internets, but there is utterly no reason to give bad medical advice. On the one hand, you're absolutely correct. None of the stuff I posted dealt with high BP specifically. It dealt with blood sugar response, other cardiac issues, and all cause mortality. On the other hand, no you didnt think I was unaware that hypertension is a specific medical term. It's pretty clear I hadn't read your post tightly enough to realize that you wanted a specific hypertension discussion and not general cardiac health and all cause mortality. My mistake for skimming. This is, following the discussion of the thread, a discussion of health as it relates to gaming. It's not a nuanced scientific discussion of sitting/gaming and high BP. It's a discussion of "What can be done to not have your health be damaged from lots of gaming." If you believe that the statement "sitting for long period is unhealthy, you should get up and move and around on a consistent basis" is poor advice, I'm not really sure what to say. If you're objecting to that statement as "you should get up and move around to reduce high BP"....okay, yes. You are correct that isnt supported. Doesnt make the advice bad though. You're style definitely rubs me the wrong way. Perhaps you intend this. Comes off as very arrogant, very "I'm right, this guy is clueless and I need to show this idiot just how clueless he is". | ||
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greenturtle23
86 Posts
On December 14 2019 10:57 L_Master wrote: That's incredible how much stress/anxiety you guys talk about. If it was world stage in front of 50k for a title it would click in my head...but a meaningless ladder game? I've had a touch of shakiness and been "keyed up" after an occasional really important tournament game, but nothing like what you describe. That sounds on par with like getting roared out by a mountain lion out of the dark. Everyone is different. As someone with a clinical anxiety disorder many everyday situations that for most people do not cause anxiety cause me anxiety. In school, I would shake and have a racing heart just from having to same my name for attendance. I fortunately don't get this from gaming, but it does not surprise me that some people do. Brains are complicated. Even though our mind understands these are not threatening situations, our brain can perceive them that way. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26221 Posts
On December 16 2019 02:03 greenturtle23 wrote: Everyone is different. As someone with a clinical anxiety disorder many everyday situations that for most people do not cause anxiety cause me anxiety. In school, I would shake and have a racing heart just from having to same my name for attendance. I fortunately don't get this from gaming, but it does not surprise me that some people do. Brains are complicated. Even though our mind understands these are not threatening situations, our brain can perceive them that way. Aye. I’ve never had anxiety for big exams, or performing on stage or whatever that cause others a lot of stress, but plenty of mundane stuff freaks me out. | ||
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L_Master
United States8017 Posts
On December 16 2019 03:25 Wombat_NI wrote: Aye. I’ve never had anxiety for big exams, or performing on stage or whatever that cause others a lot of stress, but plenty of mundane stuff freaks me out. Yea, it's just interesting to hear about all these huge HR responses. I've gotten spooked out on the trail recovering between intervals, thinking I had run into a mountain lion...and yea my HR spiked up from 80 to about 130bpm, but that was a literal life and death situation and I was already being physically active. Fascinating that a decent number of people seem to have responses on par with, or beyond, that for non life threatening situations. I haven't heard that from any of my friends, but like anything could be a curve and I'm more of a low responder to stress whereas others are higher responders (although, mentally and how my body felt I can't imagine being more stressed/scared than right then) | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On December 16 2019 04:02 L_Master wrote: Yea, it's just interesting to hear about all these huge HR responses. I've gotten spooked out on the trail recovering between intervals, thinking I had run into a mountain lion...and yea my HR spiked up from 80 to about 130bpm, but that was a literal life and death situation and I was already being physically active. Fascinating that a decent number of people seem to have responses on par with, or beyond, that for non life threatening situations. I haven't heard that from any of my friends, but like anything could be a curve and I'm more of a low responder to stress whereas others are higher responders (although, mentally and how my body felt I can't imagine being more stressed/scared than right then) heart rate isn't instant. the heart needs a bit of time to adjust speed. your emotional response is much faster than that. though considering you seem to be working out using heartrate zones you should be aware of that. regarding anxiety: i had kind of a thing with a girl who suffered from pretty severe social anxiety. she would get really stressed out in basically all social situations, and would sometimes have really weird reactions due to that. story she finds funny now and i find funny and i invite everyone to laugh about, even though the condition behind it isn't funny: on our first date we went for a nice walk that wasn't so nice anymore when it started raining hard and since we were hungry anyway, we fled into an Italian restaurant. she was so overwhelmed by a stranger in a strange country (she's an immigrant) asking her what she wants to order while this guy she basically doesn't know yet either (remember, first date) is sitting next to her, that she ended up ordering a big glass of wine and nutella pancakes with strawberries. i ordered a pizza. this tiny girl turned very giggly as she was drinking a quarter of a litre of wine and eating what's basically just sugar with more sugar in the middle of the day. anyway, i digress. she was stressed out in EVERY social interaction. even when it was just me and her in her flat. we developed an extremely intimate relationship, and she did manage to ease up a bit, but still not all the way. when i showed up to her house, i had to ring the doorbell, walk up to her flat, and knock on her flat door for her to open it and immediately shut it behind me. she would not open it and wait for me to come up, cause a neighbour could be walking by or whatever. she liked spending time with me but it also cost her a lot of energy and eventually, she would kinda (politely) throw me out the house while apologising a million times. gotta be a tough life. | ||
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greenturtle23
86 Posts
On December 16 2019 04:02 L_Master wrote: Yea, it's just interesting to hear about all these huge HR responses. I've gotten spooked out on the trail recovering between intervals, thinking I had run into a mountain lion...and yea my HR spiked up from 80 to about 130bpm, but that was a literal life and death situation and I was already being physically active. Fascinating that a decent number of people seem to have responses on par with, or beyond, that for non life threatening situations. I haven't heard that from any of my friends, but like anything could be a curve and I'm more of a low responder to stress whereas others are higher responders (although, mentally and how my body felt I can't imagine being more stressed/scared than right then) Yup that doesn't surprise me too much that none of your friends have this response. Those with anxiety are in general less likely to make friends. For my own situation the few times The few rare times I have actually been in life threatening situations, I wasn't anxious per se. I was hyper focused and alert, my heart was fast, but I didn't feel actually anxious. I think of the normal anxiousness as the brain saying "there is something wrong with this situation, leave before something bad happens". The actual life threatening situations are more like "you are in the shit now, let's focus and deal with it." Typing this is causing me a high HR response, but not 130 high. Would guess maybe 20 over my baseline? Not fun but not too awful . Thinking about it later will probably cause a higher one. Part of the reason I usually just lurk and not post. | ||
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