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digmouse
China6330 Posts
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tigon_ridge
482 Posts
On December 09 2019 01:04 digmouse wrote: The manager over there who oversees WESG's operations is a personal friend of mine and is a very dedicated Starcraft fan who started his career in covering the game. I'm not too familiar with their internal debates but can be sure that there are factors outside of their reach for managing such a huge event on a global level. Since you're from China, you probably already have a hunch that politics have something to do with it. I don't want to go into details as I don't want to inject too much politics into the thread, but you must already know. | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On December 09 2019 01:57 tigon_ridge wrote: Since you're from China, you probably already have a hunch that politics have something to do with it. I don't want to go into details as I don't want to inject too much politics into the thread, but you must already know. Nothing to do with politics, it is to put simply, a huge undertaking that is bound to go wrong if you don't absolutely take every step right. Sadly, the team at WESG don't actually have the leisure of working exactly as what they wanted, as multiple factors such as budget, differences in vision on which market to put more resources on, etc, are completely out of their jurisdiction. | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1800 Posts
On December 09 2019 02:45 digmouse wrote: Nothing to do with politics, it is to put simply, a huge undertaking that is bound to go wrong if you don't absolutely take every step right. Sadly, the team at WESG don't actually have the leisure of working exactly as what they wanted, as multiple factors such as budget, differences in vision on which market to put more resources on are completely out of their jurisdiction. As I and Wardi had mentioned previously as well - with WESG not actually being run by WESG on a regional level it will make it impossible to have coherency globally. | ||
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digmouse
China6330 Posts
On December 09 2019 02:47 Master of DalK wrote: As I and Wardi had mentioned previously as well - with WESG not actually being run by WESG on a regional level it will make it impossible to have coherency globally. Ideally, you'd want to have your own people running every level of operation, that's not an option for them. It probably was deemed not worth the cost and manpower for them, I'd guess. | ||
hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On December 09 2019 00:33 WardiTV wrote: I don't have information about "changing formats" or the first few points so I won't comment. in general their missing information and misinformation are just annoying af, especially for people that help in trying to cover their tournament on liquipedia (i am not the only liquipedia contributor that is „a bit“ annoyed with wesg orga) as for the other points, just as a few examples (all UCC): - they asked liquipedia people who they could invite to the german qualifier because showtime and gabe (the top 2 germans) had declined, BUT they never asked showtime in the first place (that only has come to notice early enough because i mentioned it to special who couldn’t belive it and asked showtime who then contacted the ucc guys on his own) btw. thats also the reason why for this closed qualifier they changed the number of invites from 2 to 3 (so they could invite showtime) and why they had to do a decider match between the 2 winners of the open qualifiers (because now only 2 seed for that was left)) - for the de+at qualifiers they wrote the players that there would be 3 qualy slots for the main event, a few days later they said it was 2 (in the google sheet they shared on liquipedia discord) - in their google sheet with the brackets 1/4th of the player names was written wrong (they also replaced lambo with denver in there for the de+at qualifier - got fixed because i notified some of their admins) (- also some more points i could proof but will not share because i received that stuff somewhat for private info only) What existing schedules have they ignored? e.g. NationWars Aeromi had to change and adjust quite some stuff because of it (also the na qualifier is at the same time as the nationwars finals, so if ca/us would have made it that far they would have played without neeb and scarlett) What social media requirements, the ones where they paid players to Tweet out about the tournament and sign-ups? Yeah seems like a really tough demand being paid for a Tweet. if that were it i wouldn’t see a problem. players have to tweet for them (also their teams) just to be allowed to play in the closed qualifiers also players are supposed to tweet provided match highlights about themself even if they lost ... (at least that is what they wrote in some of their mails to players) Prize pool split has always been agreed as disappointing, yet they continue to improve their format each year based on feedback and maybe we even see a different split this year. Seeding for main event I agree. Qualifier spot split is based on other games as well AND ALSO IMPROVES EACH YEAR! This year we will see more Koreans than ever before at a WESG event. Hotels and flights have been a bad joke but also have been fixed very quickly too. When ShoWTimE had a long layover, they booked him a hotel etc. When the hotel was bad, they moved all of the players out to a new hotel within the day and reimbursed all the players who moved themselves into different hotels. I don't even think there was issues in the most recent one with this stuff. yes, regarding hotel they improved from what i heared but the flights for the last wesg were still shit from what i heared Yeah it's not perfect but I also feel like people are so quick to jump on and complain about everything because it became "cool" to be disappointed in WESG. At the end of the day, the qualifiers and tournament is ran well enough and is attractive enough for 99% of players to take part and attend the event. Do you think that if it was truly that bad people would still turn up and play? tbh, for most players its just the money i agree that not everything about WESG is bad, i just think they have lots of room to improve and if one doesn’t mention it how should they know? (and also i am a bit frustrated about their missing information) oh and please if someone could tell them to just use the normal draw/win/loss rules any normal sc2 tournament uses that would be great  (at least for the qualifiers they had it in the rules that a player also lost if he/she had no units, so no tie due to floating buildings would be possible) | ||
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Master of DalK
Canada1800 Posts
On December 09 2019 02:48 digmouse wrote: Ideally, you'd want to have your own people running every level of operation, that's not an option for them. It probably was deemed not worth the cost and manpower for them, I'd guess. Just in travel & accomodations alone, its quite the sizable cost. | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
It's okay in the topic, in the thread itself - if you want a healthy discussion and a normal thread... you should actually explain your point whicih involves making sure the HAF abbreviations are explained or linked or anything hinted at. | ||
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hjpalpha
Germany339 Posts
On December 09 2019 07:38 Kertorak wrote: MAYBE if you are creating a thread... you could point oout what your abbreviations stand for. It's okay in the topic, in the thread itself - if you want a healthy discussion and a normal thread... you should actually explain your point whicih involves making sure the HAF abbreviations are explained or linked or anything hinted at. did you mean me? af - well you seem to know that one ... orga - organisation UCC - the name of the company that does the eu qualifiers de - the alpha-2 iso (3166-2) flag code for germany (that is what we use on liquipedia to e.g. set the player flags) at - the alpha-2 iso (3166-2) flag code for austria (that is what we use on liquipedia to e.g. set the player flags) e.g. - indicates that examples will follow na - north america us - the alpha-2 iso (3166-2) flag code for united states of america (that is what we use on liquipedia to e.g. set the player flags) ca - the alpha-2 iso (3166-2) flag code for canada (that is what we use on liquipedia to e.g. set the player flags) tbh - to be honest wesg - the tournaments name (world electronic sports games) | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6992 Posts
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