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On August 16 2019 04:01 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 02:43 deacon.frost wrote:On August 16 2019 01:07 AttackZerg wrote:
Oh... and to voting that scandalized so many of you.
I said, "Elazer better show and up play well because he earned a lot of anti fans".
He showed up and beat the (imo) number 2 zerg in the world. Gotta say I'm impressed.
I now hope he parlays this into an incredible result.
I think he is one of the most interesting zerg players around, let's see if he has the dragon blood to keep going. Yeah, but had he faced any other race than Zerg he would have been out, so let's be fair here  Maybe not against Fanta  On August 16 2019 02:31 Poopi wrote:On August 16 2019 02:16 La1 wrote:On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote:
Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point. you watch some of those games back and honestly it doesn't look like they do. or to be honest at least 2 of his GSLs were vs a lot of protoss when the proxy rax/cyclone thing was around which was actually impossible to play against and was really coin-flippy. I remember him beating neeb with just maruders in another proxy as you couldn't confirm which Proxy version of the proxy it was. I also think it's easier to win GSLs now as you get to move people in the group which to me basically means your vs the two worst players so you basically get a bye to the RO8. He clearly is an amazing player and has some of the best micro in the game but it's nice to see what i consider gimicky stuff get crushed. hes a Patch Terran  Actually he is the one Terran who can win on shit patches. Not this time though. INno is the Terran who win when Terran is strong Even when Maru was playing godlike in GSL he didn't deliver outside of Code S. Not even on the day1 where the preparational argument cannot be made as he had the time to prepare... so either he doesn't care or there's a mental issue. On August 16 2019 02:16 La1 wrote:On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote:
Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point. you watch some of those games back and honestly it doesn't look like they do. or to be honest at least 2 of his GSLs were vs a lot of protoss when the proxy rax/cyclone thing was around which was actually impossible to play against and was really coin-flippy. I remember him beating neeb with just maruders in another proxy as you couldn't confirm which Proxy version of the proxy it was. I also think it's easier to win GSLs now as you get to move people in the group which to me basically means your vs the two worst players so you basically get a bye to the RO8. He clearly is an amazing player and has some of the best micro in the game but it's nice to see what i consider gimicky stuff get crushed. hes a Patch Terran Uh, he won 4 consecutive Code S titles during several patches, the patch word cannot be used (he won the last one after the major afterBlizzcon patch either...) You still have to go through RO8/4/Finals. So the easier argument is iffy, also he had to win the first Code S to get the right to move people around, he had to qualify for the first won WESG(through the Korean qualifier)... but sure, it's easier. Except when he won this year's chinese invitational or when he won WESG last year. The fact that he went ro8 and ro4 at blizzcon and katowice last year (eliminated by two of his teanmates) also begs to disagree with you. Lets face it winning 4 GSL in a row makes that or you win a tournament or you are overhyped/out of shape/bad/your results were a fluke or whatever. But the fact that no other, besides Serral, is taken in such high standarts speaks for his skills. Also people here act like if Stats was not the fucking best protoss of LOTV or something. And stats is on fire right now.
OK, so Maru is heavily dominating the Code S yet he is incapable of showing the same domination outside of Code S. Aw. Yeah, he won the invitational where he played player a level bellow him, what a champ! C'mon, I love Maru, but his play in Code S RO8 and forward and everything else is like night and day. He's capable of some incredible plays when he wants, but sometimes it appears he doesn't want to play the game.
And sure, he got a stop by teammates, especially sOs read him like a book, at the same time - check how he played in the Code S and then compare it to his play in those tournaments. He. Was. Worse.
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tbh, dark deserved the loss against elazer. the drone pull in game one and the mass ling allin in game two really showed, that he didnt take elazer seriously. if he would have played with a more serious note, like in game 3 and onwards, he would have won the series.
tbh, i dont think that elazer has the slightliest chance against time, but atleast dark hopefully learned, that he has to take every opponent serious, even if its "only" elazer.
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On August 16 2019 14:11 Argonauta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form. His 4th GSL win was outside of the proxy meta
his 1st and 2nd too. He 4-1ed Classic in season 2 who seemed unbeatable in the matchup with mostly straight up play, probably the most impressive display of skill I've ever seen.
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daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?
first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?
also - go, go Elazer ! ! !
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On August 16 2019 22:39 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?
first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?
also - go, go Elazer ! ! !
If the draw would be korean - foreigner then the ratio would have looked differently. 3 Koreans lost and two of whom were expected losses. while 2 another Koreans lost to Koreans.
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On August 16 2019 22:39 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
daaaamn.. 5 foreigners and only 3 koreans in the top8?
first time this happened in some major tournament right? or at least first time in "ages"?
also - go, go Elazer ! ! !
Yeah, although this is quite possibly the best bracket the non-Koreans could have ever hoped for, it's still good to see them capitalize on it.
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On August 16 2019 21:57 dalaiisc2 wrote:
tbh, dark deserved the loss against elazer. the drone pull in game one and the mass ling allin in game two really showed, that he didnt take elazer seriously. if he would have played with a more serious note, like in game 3 and onwards, he would have won the series.
tbh, i dont think that elazer has the slightliest chance against time, but atleast dark hopefully learned, that he has to take every opponent serious, even if its "only" elazer.
Elazer is a ZvZ monster in his own right and is continually underestimated not only by his korean opponents but by the TL community aswell. Just go check the GSLvWorld voting thread and take a look at how upset some people were by elazers nomination.
imho. the guy is great.
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Talk about crazy upsets. I think Stats beating Maru is somewhat expected though given that Stats usually have Maru's number. But to see Dark, soO and Reynor all fall so is crazy! Especially seeing as some of them were 0-3 sweeps.
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On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form.
Did you watch any of his GSLs outside of 2018 season 3?
Season 1 - 9-4 in TvP with 2 proxy games, Beat Dear, sOs, and Stats.
Season 2 - 12-2 in TvP with 1 proxy game. Beat Dear, Patience, Classic, and Zest.
Season 3 - 6-1 in TvP with 7 proxy games. Beat Neeb and Zest.
Season 4 - 13-3 in TvP with 0 proxy games. Beat herO, Dear, Trap, and Classic.
These stats might be a bit off as I did them from memory, but the point was he only proxied heavily in 1/4 seasons that he won. The idea he was only good because of proxy meta is a joke.
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On August 17 2019 03:56 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2019 11:13 BisuDagger wrote:
Is Maru that bad, is Stats that good, or is TvP imbalanced? I think Stats is that good for sure. Maru not winning outside of proxy era is really disappointing. I really wish he would win more to reaffirm that he really is a top notch player. I personally feel whenever I watch him win its because the first five minutes were dominated by aggression or gimics. He just doesn't seem like the player was was when he won SSL or even his 2017 form. Did you watch any of his GSLs outside of 2018 season 3? Season 1 - 9-4 in TvP with 2 proxy games, Beat Dear, sOs, and Stats. Season 2 - 12-2 in TvP with 1 proxy game. Beat Dear, Patience, Classic, and Zest. Season 3 - 6-1 in TvP with 7 proxy games. Beat Neeb and Zest. Season 4 - 13-3 in TvP with 0 proxy games. Beat herO, Dear, Trap, and Classic. These stats might be a bit off as I did them from memory, but the point was he only proxied heavily in 1/4 seasons that he won. The idea he was only good because of proxy meta is a joke.
Pretty much, it’d be nice if people didn’t make such sweeping comments without you know, watching the games in question.
Especially given games like him against Dear from season 4 where he went for a true late game toe to toe and still won, can’t remember the set/map off hand but I’m sure you know the game
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On August 16 2019 00:43 NinjaNight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 15 2019 23:42 alestormsabaton1994 wrote:
Blizzard should just kill this game once for all, (like they are doing with all their games) and restart with a new rts franchise in a couple of years.
Do you really think Blizzard would make a new RTS in only a couple years? =D
Yes definitely, but on mobile! We will all be micro-tapping!
As for Maru, it's obvious that he did not take this show match seriously just as he did the last time. By the way, a tournament without s0s is boring.
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