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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On August 15 2019 23:42 alestormsabaton1994 wrote: Blizzard should just kill this game once for all, (like they are doing with all their games) and restart with a new rts franchise in a couple of years. Do you really think Blizzard would make a new RTS in only a couple years? =D | ||
Waxangel
United States33432 Posts
On August 16 2019 00:23 Fango wrote: He also doesn't react to any kind of ling run by. I'm not sure he beats Stats Classic or TY either should he face them I thought the near-throw with mech was pretty worrisome, esp combined with how comfortably Serral took out his mech at Assembly (although, Serral seems to beat anyone's mech comfortably). The bio aggression and micro is fucking great tho. | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
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Poopi
France12895 Posts
On August 16 2019 00:25 EXRNaRa wrote: 7 Posts and thats what you got to say? Get out of here. Please. I was never a fan of foreign StarCraft and most people would probably put me in the "korean elitist" corner, but your statement is just wrong on so many levels. Obv koreans got worse, but that's caused by the whole breakdown of the infrastructure and not that much else. No reason to "kill a game" because there are still a ton of people out there loving it and actively playing it. The WCS reigning champion got 4-0ed recently, Serral the foreign blizzcon champion got beaten by Stats. It’s not 2 matches of GSL vs The world that will change the fact that there is still a gap in general. Elazer beating Dark isn’t that surprising given he already did it and ZvZ has proven volatile for everyone, like Serral almost dropping to inferior zergs multiple times. TIME has been playing well but he is playing on the kr server afaik? | ||
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JackyCT
China4 Posts
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
I said, "Elazer better show and up play well because he earned a lot of anti fans". He showed up and beat the (imo) number 2 zerg in the world. Gotta say I'm impressed. I now hope he parlays this into an incredible result. I think he is one of the most interesting zerg players around, let's see if he has the dragon blood to keep going. | ||
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
it happened at blizz con, and it happened today. I feel his play is quite gimicky (its perfect but it's like 1 gimick after another such as widow mines, into cloak banshee etc..) He clearly had not seen stats at asus rog, those 3x orcals rekt him so hard in the second game, and stats had timings to hit maru when he was weak in the 3rd game and kept maru busy at home in the first game when he was weak! Great play! | ||
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parksonsc
175 Posts
On August 16 2019 01:09 La1 wrote: Love seeing Maru getting smashed! I've always thought if somebody spent the time to study him he could be made to look foolish. it happened at blizz con, and it happened today. I feel his play is quite gimicky (its perfect but it's like 1 gimick after another such as widow mines, into cloak banshee etc..) He clearly had not seen stats at asus rog, those 3x orcals rekt him so hard in the second game, and stats had timings to hit maru when he was weak in the 3rd game and kept maru busy at home in the first game when he was weak! Great play! Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point. | ||
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AttackZerg
United States7454 Posts
Sometimes when someone has your number, you get crushed. Nobody in this tournament is weak. I'll go farther, if Maru had been in the same position as TY in the last 3 v Serral matches - I think Maru could have won where TY couldn't. (note: also am a TY fan) | ||
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midhigh
49 Posts
On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote: Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point. Yes, when he is on point, he is godlike. But today was terrible to watch. If he bombs out of GSL, than at least we can say he is in a bad shape. But if he comes up with a 4-0 first place finish, and beats Stats (easily), than we can be really mad about him. This event should be a honor to represnt your country, other Terrans and Koreans. He had months to prepare, so we can't even talk about his struggles in weekenders, since this was his very first game. My problem with Maru today or in general is, when he is off, he seems worse than Alive/Bunny, etc.. Or at least non interested.. Today his games were non-competitive at all. No idea, no gameplan, his scouting was lazy, no timing attacks, out of place many times. Poor gamesense during the second game against Stats's 3 oracle play. He seemed like someone who plays on ladder with ingamesound off and some spotify in the background. He was clearly not hiding builds or anything, he was playing terrible tbh, and as a fan favourite player, this is really annoying attutide. | ||
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Boggyb
2855 Posts
On August 16 2019 00:47 NinjaNight wrote: What's the deal Maru? 0-3 Stats is just silly. What happened to the Maru that was on the very brink of beating Stats 3-2 earlier this year? Maru has 2 different TvPs. There is his ro16/GSL Playoffs TvP which is anywhere from godly to ungodly. Then there is his GSL ro32/non-GSL TvP which is quite mediocre. That's been the case since at least the start of last year. | ||
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rasi86
44 Posts
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Doink
75 Posts
On August 15 2019 23:42 alestormsabaton1994 wrote: Every time I see how foreigners dominate koreans Im reminded of the sad state of sc2. I think the fact that tehy are dropping so many series vs foreigners is even more telling than the really low amount of viewers. It's really sad. sc2 used to be my favorite game and I reached top 8 masters. But its been 3 years since I stopped playing. Blizzard should just kill this game once for all, (like they are doing with all their games) and restart with a new rts franchise in a couple of years. Its even sadder when you realize Blizzard killed their franchise themselves when they decided to ban all koreans from competing abroad years ago. User was temp banned for this post. Wow, you seem really mad. Koreans can't ZvZ as much as Europeans apparently. And Maru? He disappointed like he always does and will keep dodging Serral forever. On August 16 2019 00:47 NinjaNight wrote: What's the deal Maru? 0-3 Stats is just silly. What happened to the Maru that was on the very brink of beating Stats 3-2 earlier this year? Maru has always been very inconsistent. So I'd say it's still the old Maru from earlier this year and last year. He seems to suck most of the time but at the rare occasion he does not suck he sometimes wins the whole thing. | ||
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BlazingGlory
Bulgaria855 Posts
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La1
United Kingdom659 Posts
On August 16 2019 01:17 parksonsc wrote: Then explain to me about his 4 GSL wins? Did all his opponent not know how to study him? Come on, even if you are a hater, Maru's play is truly godlike when he's on point. you watch some of those games back and honestly it doesn't look like they do. or to be honest at least 2 of his GSLs were vs a lot of protoss when the proxy rax/cyclone thing was around which was actually impossible to play against and was really coin-flippy. I remember him beating neeb with just maruders in another proxy as you couldn't confirm which Proxy version of the proxy it was. I also think it's easier to win GSLs now as you get to move people in the group which to me basically means your vs the two worst players so you basically get a bye to the RO8. He clearly is an amazing player and has some of the best micro in the game but it's nice to see what i consider gimicky stuff get crushed. hes a Patch Terran  | ||
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skdsk
138 Posts
On August 16 2019 02:01 Doink wrote: Wow, you seem really mad. Koreans can't ZvZ as much as Europeans apparently. And Maru? He disappointed like he always does and will keep dodging Serral forever. Maru has always been very inconsistent. So I'd say it's still the old Maru from earlier this year and last year. He seems to suck most of the time but at the rare occasion he does not suck he sometimes wins the whole thing. His builds and timing seems to be figured out by most tosses and he keeps doing the same thing over and over again, the fact of the matter, many terrans copied Maru on ladder and thats what caused Maru "play to decline", same can be said about Innovation even more. The only 3rd horsemen terran who is not suffering this is TY, which has 20differnt builds in each MU. If you look at TIME, his play/macro/multitasking/micro in mid/late game is inferior to Maru, yet since he has his own unique builds, especially in TvZ, hes doing great. | ||
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Jimmon
United States112 Posts
 Neeb <3 Stats. My heart is broken, but Neeb looks on fucking point lately, and he looks confident. I still give it to my boy Stats though<3 | ||
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Kitai
United States873 Posts
<.< >.> *Puts on flame-retardant suit* | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On August 16 2019 00:25 EXRNaRa wrote: 7 Posts and thats what you got to say? Get out of here. Please. I was never a fan of foreign StarCraft and most people would probably put me in the "korean elitist" corner, but your statement is just wrong on so many levels. Obv koreans got worse, but that's caused by the whole breakdown of the infrastructure and not that much else. No reason to "kill a game" because there are still a ton of people out there loving it and actively playing it. Three years of HoTS deeply instilled in many of you guys the idea foreigners can't be good at Sc2 and that inevitably it's a fault of koreans when they get defeated; this totally drives me mad. It's true that the infrastructure crumbled and the depth in scene was greatly reduced but the top players are there, are very strong, and as a whole they are still considerably ahead of foreigners. On the other hand, koreans are not untouchable gods anymore and the #32 b tier KR player would get absolutely demolished in WCS in 2019; also, there are a couple of aspects in which westerners are indeed ahead of koreans, that are ZvZ meta(Elazer is undoubtly a weaker player than Dark, still he was capable of winning, and that's only the last of many examples) and Serral, the outlier, who was noticeably ahead of top koreans last year and may still very well be the best player in the world right now. Both of these, as well as the upwards trend in viewers, were made possible by region lock that gave WCS enough time to develop without being strangled by an army of objectively superior koreans like they used to be; Legacy of the Void had indeed a part in this process by resetting the way sc2 was played and effectively reducing the gap in few months. WCS scene may be mature enough for the region lock to be at least partially softened in the near future. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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