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United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2019 01:24 Need wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2019 00:07 KelsierSC wrote:On June 10 2019 00:01 Need wrote:
Can WCS not afford having a caster who plays Zerg? It'd be great to have Demu or Pig more often but I'd be happy with Lowko, Winter.. anyone. Just feels like there's a lot of gatekeeping or exclusivity when it comes to casting WCS Think casters should be picked based on their ability / experience not what race they play. Pretty sure their "ability" to cast a Zerg match-up is partially contingent on what race they play. Casting a mirror match when you only have superficial knowledge of the race means the analytical part of your commentary ends up being mostly reading the production bar and comparing supplies
Meh sounds like your clutching at straws here. By your definition you want to bring in some high level zerg caster regardless of overall casting ability just to improve the analysis of zvz.
The current crop of casters actually do a great job broadcasting it. My opinion obviously , but I very much doubt in depth zvz discussion is high on the audiences priority list.
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On June 10 2019 01:33 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2019 01:24 Need wrote:On June 10 2019 00:07 KelsierSC wrote:On June 10 2019 00:01 Need wrote:
Can WCS not afford having a caster who plays Zerg? It'd be great to have Demu or Pig more often but I'd be happy with Lowko, Winter.. anyone. Just feels like there's a lot of gatekeeping or exclusivity when it comes to casting WCS Think casters should be picked based on their ability / experience not what race they play. Pretty sure their "ability" to cast a Zerg match-up is partially contingent on what race they play. Casting a mirror match when you only have superficial knowledge of the race means the analytical part of your commentary ends up being mostly reading the production bar and comparing supplies Meh sounds like your clutching at straws here. By your definition you want to bring in some high level zerg caster regardless of overall casting ability just to improve the analysis of zvz. The current crop of casters actually do a great job broadcasting it. My opinion obviously , but I very much doubt in depth zvz discussion is high on the audiences priority list.
It's any zerg matchup, not just ZvZ. That was just an extreme example hoping you may be able to understand the point, but clearly you don't if you think "my definition" is bringing any high level zerg regardless of casting experience.
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Nate and Rotti work for me because they got so many reps working together through all those early WCS casts. Would love to see more of that
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On June 06 2019 07:50 jahnesta wrote:Learn french and watch O'gaming 
O'gaming casters are the worst to me :
- no analysis at all
- only bad jokes
- crazy ego issues
- wrong reading/missing so much stuff every single game
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Look who is casting WCS! Good ol Nate and Rotti
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On June 06 2019 06:49 11cc wrote:
I disagree wholeheartedly. I just hate to listen to casters who are really good at filling time with their stories but don't seem to give a shit about SC2, and even during important moments in games would rather talk about unrelated stuff. WCS casting is way better than GSL.
Ignoring the game to tell a story would be the exact opposite of what i'm suggesting the casters should always be on top of what is going on. Simply put the back and forth between casters needs to be better overall. And placing them in duo's would be the most effective way to do that.
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On June 09 2019 10:16 capacityex wrote:
the quality of tasteless' casting has varied with his interest level, but did you listen to rapid and noregret last night? noregret is wise but monotone, rapid is a drunk donkey. Makes you realize how great tastosis are. we really are gonna miss them when they're gone.
Casting isn't something you just pick up and do, it's tough, (not speaking from experience) but other people need practice. AND they need practice with a partner they will be actually casting with, this is one of the reasons i'm really happy that artosis and noregret are doing the indepth show. I'm really hoping that this series improves their chemistry when they cast GSL together next time.
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On June 12 2019 00:55 MooCow1 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 09 2019 10:16 capacityex wrote:
the quality of tasteless' casting has varied with his interest level, but did you listen to rapid and noregret last night? noregret is wise but monotone, rapid is a drunk donkey. Makes you realize how great tastosis are. we really are gonna miss them when they're gone. Casting isn't something you just pick up and do, it's tough, (not speaking from experience) but other people need practice. AND they need practice with a partner they will be actually casting with, this is one of the reasons i'm really happy that artosis and noregret are doing the indepth show. I'm really hoping that this series improves their chemistry when they cast GSL together next time.
This is so true. I have done a fair bit of casting for events for my clan and teamleagues. While of course I am no where near of the level of the top guys, it does add a little bit of perspective. For example, if you are shoehorned into casting with someone you have never cast with before, it can be SUPER awkward. It takes lots of time and practice to find out what the role of each person is going to be, and to just figure out each others tempo in general so you dont talk over each other. Casting is a skill, but CO-casting is another very different skill that I think people can often overlook. Tasteless for example, is not the very best caster (with many others having more game knowledge) but he is a fantastic co-caster with the ability to play off of artosis and even others at times very very well.
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Northern Ireland25082 Posts
On June 12 2019 03:16 tjtombo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 12 2019 00:55 MooCow1 wrote:On June 09 2019 10:16 capacityex wrote:
the quality of tasteless' casting has varied with his interest level, but did you listen to rapid and noregret last night? noregret is wise but monotone, rapid is a drunk donkey. Makes you realize how great tastosis are. we really are gonna miss them when they're gone. Casting isn't something you just pick up and do, it's tough, (not speaking from experience) but other people need practice. AND they need practice with a partner they will be actually casting with, this is one of the reasons i'm really happy that artosis and noregret are doing the indepth show. I'm really hoping that this series improves their chemistry when they cast GSL together next time. This is so true. I have done a fair bit of casting for events for my clan and teamleagues. While of course I am no where near of the level of the top guys, it does add a little bit of perspective. For example, if you are shoehorned into casting with someone you have never cast with before, it can be SUPER awkward. It takes lots of time and practice to find out what the role of each person is going to be, and to just figure out each others tempo in general so you dont talk over each other. Casting is a skill, but CO-casting is another very different skill that I think people can often overlook. Tasteless for example, is not the very best caster (with many others having more game knowledge) but he is a fantastic co-caster with the ability to play off of artosis and even others at times very very well.
Most people have at least played Starcraft, very few have actually casted to any kind of audience, even small.
Why caster bashing annoys me because as someone who has done it quite a lot at a totally amateur local LANs, it is difficult to do well.
Reminds me of refereeing sports, few people notice when they’re doing a good job (or at least comment that they are), which is most of the time, but make a mistake and hell hath no fury like sports fans.
Tempo and chemistry is the hardest thing to do IMO, by far. You can’t do interesting analysis super quickly, you need a couple of sentences to make an interesting point. My humour can be quite long-winded sometimes, you need to keep the flow, and that means giving the analysis dude space to finish his points. The analysis guy talking over a play by play hype moment is bad as well, but those spaces are more obvious just watching the game.
It’s not super hard to develop but it definitely takes time, if I’m casting with my long time IRL friend he gets cues just from how I’m speaking that he works off and lets me finish. Likewise I’m not much of a hype guy so I leave him to do that part.
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