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virpi
Germany3598 Posts
Imho, the overall quality in casting has never been higher. Just think back to the old MLG / IGN days, we've come a long way. Rotti is the man, Incontrol can be hilarious at times - especially at HSC. He's a polarizing figure for sure, but the scene would be the same without him. He's done a lot for the community. Shoutout to Zombiegrub and Demu as well. | ||
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Freeborn
Germany421 Posts
Also trying to intentionally split the roles and/or focus of each caster per cast might help to increase analysis and the flow of the casting. I'm onboard with most of the OP's points. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
I’ve done more casting than most here I imagine, even at a local LAN event kind of level. Way less than the pros or community casters, but some at least. I’m not completely socially awkward but I’m not Mr Charisma either, I’m reasonably funny but quite dry, my archon is way more extroverted and is a good hype man. I think it goes beyond analyst/colour too, style of humour, delivery, they all kind of factor in too. Comedy often works best with the straight man for example, I love Incontrol when he’s paired with the right guy for example, I wouldn’t necessarily enjoy two Incontrol’s trying to outdo each other. | ||
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kaby
Russian Federation195 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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capacityex
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On June 09 2019 10:16 capacityex wrote: rotterdam. Thats it. i appreciate T&A . . . lol but they have had me with my head in my hands that many times im wondering where the accoldae is . . .really ive stated this from day 1 but TL have banned my original account since then the quality of tasteless' casting has varied with his interest level, but did you listen to rapid and noregret last night? noregret is wise but monotone, rapid is a drunk donkey. Makes you realize how great tastosis are. we really are gonna miss them when they're gone. Khaldor and wolf I actually really enjoyed. wolf and Valdez were kinda 1000 words of nonsense, that's why moonglade got brought in. Valdez was the driverest driver, wolf didn't have the analyst chops to carry him. the fact that the best English casters are all essentially not going to move out there makes the gap between tastosis and all other options very large. what makes tastosis so great is that occasionally tasteless can cross over into colour analysis, and artosis will drive. wolf and khaldor did this too. I think that's because khaldor was play by play but seemed to have a sharper mind for the game than wolf (I still loved wolf though). that's why rotti works so well with all other casters, is that he can and often does both. in control and nate to a lesser extent. note: this blurring of responsibilities does require good chemistry otherwise it's a disaster more than normal. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
On June 09 2019 10:44 RatzBarcode wrote: the quality of tasteless' casting has varied with his interest level, but did you listen to rapid and noregret last night? noregret is wise but monotone, rapid is a drunk donkey. Makes you realize how great tastosis are. we really are gonna miss them when they're gone. Khaldor and wolf I actually really enjoyed. wolf and Valdez were kinda 1000 words of nonsense, that's why moonglade got brought in. Valdez was the driverest driver, wolf didn't have the analyst chops to carry him. the fact that the best English casters are all essentially not going to move out there makes the gap between tastosis and all other options very large. what makes tastosis so great is that occasionally tasteless can cross over into colour analysis, and artosis will drive. wolf and khaldor did this too. I think that's because khaldor was play by play but seemed to have a sharper mind for the game than wolf (I still loved wolf though). that's why rotti works so well with all other casters, is that he can and often does both. in control and nate to a lesser extent. note: this blurring of responsibilities does require good chemistry otherwise it's a disaster more than normal. Wolfdor were good IMO, really good in fact when they got properly into the groove, never understood the negativity towards them. Tastosis are great but they don’t get flak for the same things that basically most other casters get flak for. If caster duo x misread, or don’t comment on something while rambling on banter, they get slaughtered. Tastosis don’t. I love Tastosis and tbh know enough about the game I don’t really need that stuff. For me I’d say something akin to ‘Tastosis have that easy chemistry that they CAN do those things’, but I find too much criticism is couched in ridiculous double standards and isn’t particularly useful. I mean other casters get slaughtered for game knowledge who are active GM players, by the same people who want Tasteless. I love NoRegret and Artosis’ chemistry on InDepth, one they’re building all the time. I’m not 100% sure it would translate to a good WCS cast, but I think it could potentially be really good. It also might not work in that setting, but NoRegret seems in his element talking about strategic intricacies and Rapid and him haven’t figured the flow yet, where Artosis seems to dovetail well. Also, we don’t have Code A anymore. So basically whoever knows Starcraft and is in Korea just sits tight for the odd occasion Tastosis can’t do it. So you end up with a combo that doesn’t get much practice, who get given an Ro8 where they basically can’t win. Many are immediately annoyed that they’re not Tastosis, and they don’t have a regular gig to build up the kind of effortless chemistry that the legendary teaching have. Elsewhere it’s less of an issue, casters get tons of events to do, or community stuff etc. GSL casting its Tastosis orntheir backups who don’t get to cast at all if Tastosis are about. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25071 Posts
They were big losses to the scene solely in that capacity. Grubby has his other Grubby things, if memory serves IdrA entertainer the idea but regular gigs were a closed shop and didn’t really fulfil his competitive drive. Loss to my tastes, but Grubby seems to be having a great time with his true love in Warcraft 3, and IdrA when he last appeared on a community show seemed to be doing really well in life so I can’t complain too much! | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On June 06 2019 03:53 Waxangel wrote: you weren't utterly deferential and apologetic so casters aren't gonna listen to this man  Funny you say that on the website where not being deferential and apologetic to players and casters can get you banned. | ||
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
I think Incontrol is hysterical and I really enjoyed all the casting from challenger last night. The rotating caster pairing gives a nice bit of variety. | ||
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RatzBarcode
United States98 Posts
On June 09 2019 11:08 Wombat_NI wrote: Wolfdor were good IMO, really good in fact when they got properly into the groove, never understood the negativity towards them. Tastosis are great but they don’t get flak for the same things that basically most other casters get flak for. If caster duo x misread, or don’t comment on something while rambling on banter, they get slaughtered. Tastosis don’t. I love Tastosis and tbh know enough about the game I don’t really need that stuff. For me I’d say something akin to ‘Tastosis have that easy chemistry that they CAN do those things’, but I find too much criticism is couched in ridiculous double standards and isn’t particularly useful. I mean other casters get slaughtered for game knowledge who are active GM players, by the same people who want Tasteless. I love NoRegret and Artosis’ chemistry on InDepth, one they’re building all the time. I’m not 100% sure it would translate to a good WCS cast, but I think it could potentially be really good. It also might not work in that setting, but NoRegret seems in his element talking about strategic intricacies and Rapid and him haven’t figured the flow yet, where Artosis seems to dovetail well. Also, we don’t have Code A anymore. So basically whoever knows Starcraft and is in Korea just sits tight for the odd occasion Tastosis can’t do it. So you end up with a combo that doesn’t get much practice, who get given an Ro8 where they basically can’t win. Many are immediately annoyed that they’re not Tastosis, and they don’t have a regular gig to build up the kind of effortless chemistry that the legendary teaching have. Elsewhere it’s less of an issue, casters get tons of events to do, or community stuff etc. GSL casting its Tastosis orntheir backups who don’t get to cast at all if Tastosis are about. I think Artosis and noregret (I don't think it was rapid) did a day of ro32 this season cause Tasteless was sick I think. I skipped it cause that and the players were no one special, but it was probably pretty good after hearing noregret yesterday. I think his voice is fine if he's studio casting and he has a competent driver next to him. I think hype voice is a little overdone in American sports broadcasting anyway. Rapid and noregret got murdered in Twitch chat (of course) but really it wasn't that bad. Like I said, if anything, it highlighted the disparity of Tastosis and anyone that would potentially replace them. And how much they're needed. Like you said, the English caster bench in Korea is understandably very thin. Someone on the boards yesterday mentioned that noregret does his research and knows his shit. It's true, yesterday Rapid kind of held him back. Rapid talked over him, called things early, he made a good attempt at serving noregret with questions, but Rapid had to be corrected on basic stuff often. Rapid would like, immediately self-contradict himself often, showing maybe some confusion. Probably the worst, he took a lot of oxygen/talking time from someone with more game knowledge and preparation. noregret didn't really bungle any calls, although he did call things early too, which is something a lot of learning casters do. Noregret I felt added to the game, or paired with a WCS caster or Artosis/Tasteless, would make a pretty solid cast. I think Rapid is an alright dude, he just was put in a tough spot. I think of all the low-knowledge play by play drivers, I felt like Kaelaris was the best. He worked hard, he prepared, and I felt he always served his colour guy with good questions. If you go back and look at 2011 I think, Wolf was assigned to do GSL S/A or GSTL alone, either cause Tastosis was in the States doing another tourney, for some reason Khaldor wasn't with him. Wolf called himself LoneWolf or something like that. Broadcasting alone (obv he had producers) is very, very hard. And he did a really good job. | ||
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Starcloud
137 Posts
On June 09 2019 16:19 RatzBarcode wrote: Someone on the boards yesterday mentioned that noregret does his research and knows his shit. It's true, yesterday Rapid kind of held him back. Rapid talked over him, called things early, he made a good attempt at serving noregret with questions, but Rapid had to be corrected on basic stuff often. Rapid would like, immediately self-contradict himself often, showing maybe some confusion. Probably the worst, he took a lot of oxygen/talking time from someone with more game knowledge and preparation. noregret didn't really bungle any calls, although he did call things early too, which is something a lot of learning casters do. Noregret I felt added to the game, or paired with a WCS caster or Artosis/Tasteless, would make a pretty solid cast. I think Rapid is an alright dude, he just was put in a tough spot. I couldnt disagree more. The whole cast was terrible, but mostly because of Noregret. The chemistry just wasnt there. Noregret has great knowledge of the game and I think he can be really funny too, but at least for now he lacks the pace and flow of the real-time casting. He is great with replay casting with Artosis, where he has time to analyze and build up the timeline better. At the same time Artosis lets him have his space, where like you correctly said, Rapid would interrupt too much in livecast. But the problem is, that you dont have that same time in liveshow to make deep analyzis of the game because its often so fast-paced. Rapid tried to keep the flow going, but as he is pretty new to the scene too, it just got messy and bad cast overall. I dont hate either of them. Just needs lot of time and practise, as well as more chemistry with casting partner. And as others have said here, its kinda stupid to compare to Tastosis, where they have been working together as friends for decade. It just cant be copied in a week, month or even a year. On June 09 2019 16:19 RatzBarcode wrote: I think of all the low-knowledge play by play drivers, I felt like Kaelaris was the best. He worked hard, he prepared, and I felt he always served his colour guy with good questions. Kaelaris is very good indeed. Rotterdam also, who is the jack of all trades. Always very good. Nate, Incontrol and Maynarde are next on the list too. Demuslim also has been a very good addition as well. | ||
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Need
566 Posts
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:01 Need wrote: Can WCS not afford having a caster who plays Zerg? It'd be great to have Demu or Pig more often but I'd be happy with Lowko, Winter.. anyone. Just feels like there's a lot of gatekeeping or exclusivity when it comes to casting WCS Think casters should be picked based on their ability / experience not what race they play. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:07 KelsierSC wrote: Think casters should be picked based on their ability / experience not what race they play. Not when most of the top players in WCS play Zerg. | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:01 Need wrote: Can WCS not afford having a caster who plays Zerg? It'd be great to have Demu or Pig more often but I'd be happy with Lowko, Winter.. anyone. Just feels like there's a lot of gatekeeping or exclusivity when it comes to casting WCS They pretty much always have one at the offline portions. But for Challenger it's not really economically sensible to fly someone halfway across the world since not even the players get brought to the studio. | ||
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KelsierSC
United Kingdom10443 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:47 deacon.frost wrote: Not when most of the top players in WCS play Zerg. Doesn't mean they make good casters. | ||
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Need
566 Posts
On June 10 2019 00:07 KelsierSC wrote: Think casters should be picked based on their ability / experience not what race they play. Pretty sure their "ability" to cast a Zerg match-up is partially contingent on what race they play. Casting a mirror match when you only have superficial knowledge of the race means the analytical part of your commentary ends up being mostly reading the production bar and comparing supplies | ||
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