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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16090 Posts
April 28 2019 04:21 GMT
#21
On April 28 2019 07:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 07:00 MyiPtitDrogo wrote:
Just make this power ranking a korean only thing and save me the trouble of triggering the fuck out of me by ranking serral so low everytime


What has he done lately to be ranked higher than the 5 Koreans above him?


Yea if anyone got robbed on these rankings that wasn't Korean it was Reynor not Serral.

Serral has lost to a couple of Code S Ro16 players in Global tournaments and to a young upstart in WCS Europe.

Neither of those are anywhere near as impressive as any of the things he did last year. If anything, his ranking right now is due to past merits rather than current form.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 28 2019 06:02 GMT
#22
On April 28 2019 07:58 BerserkSword wrote:
So let me get this straight. Neeb beat scarlett (Code S caliber player) to win a premier tournament and Reynor beat Serral in the finals of a premier tournament and Serral is ahead of them both?

just sayin

Mental excercise:
Put these 10 players + Reynor and Neeb in a 12-man tournament. Who do you think the betting sites would give the lowest odds to win it all?
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-28 07:00:02
April 28 2019 06:54 GMT
#23
On April 28 2019 15:02 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 07:58 BerserkSword wrote:
So let me get this straight. Neeb beat scarlett (Code S caliber player) to win a premier tournament and Reynor beat Serral in the finals of a premier tournament and Serral is ahead of them both?

just sayin

Mental excercise:
Put these 10 players + Reynor and Neeb in a 12-man tournament. Who do you think the betting sites would give the lowest odds to win it all?


i dont really know how betting sites choose, but i'd choose serral tbh

serral has been pretty weak lately

in 2019 he's 1-5 against everyone on the list that he's played

lost to neeb
lost to reynor
lost twice to innovation
lost to soo

only series win was against gumiho
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fastr
Profile Joined February 2011
France902 Posts
April 28 2019 07:09 GMT
#24
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
April 28 2019 07:33 GMT
#25
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
April 28 2019 07:39 GMT
#26
Actually I agree with every single placement on this list
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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-28 07:59:05
April 28 2019 07:54 GMT
#27
Dark and Stats are still rated so high, on the principle of benefit of the doubt. Neither winning anything anywhere.
After Stats group stage failure in code S, he is 3-0d in supertournament 2nd round. His only accomplishment these past 2 months is one close win vs Maru. he's 4th based on relative strength and benefit of the doubt.
Dark got 1st and now is 3rd based on overall decent performance, no titles or finals. Good thing at least Rogue isnt around based on just caster-hype and past results.

Classic should clearly be nr.1 but I wasnt surprised either that it ended up Maru
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Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
April 28 2019 08:21 GMT
#28
I love TL writers and their content.

I just can't not write though. The Maru bias annoys me so much, Classic got 2nd GSL and then 1st ST in the month. How Classic isn't number 1 baffles me so... When soO and Inno faltered in the subsequent tournament to their victory they crashed down the rankings, but for Maru it is completely overlooked.

Again I think Maru is great in prep style tournaments but he also has huge advantages on his side, I don't understand why this is continually dismissed and there is so so much inconsistency about how he is ranked as number 1. It's like everyone wants him to be Flash when he clearly isn't in the same conversation as God.

As for Serral I think the ranking this month is probably fair given his poor (relative to 2018) form, but it remains criminal that he hasn't topped a PowerRank.

All other positions look reasonable, I think trap is a bit high considering he has won nothing and never really looked frightening like many other candidates. Agree Reynor should probably be on the list ahead of him given he did win something, including beating Serral (which would be considered a crowning jewel for many others on the power rank).

Plz forgive me for my views.

Warm regards
Dave4
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
April 28 2019 09:31 GMT
#29
Even losing gets Maru points, truly one of a kind .

Solid Power Rank though, thanks!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 28 2019 09:39 GMT
#30
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-28 10:17:49
April 28 2019 10:10 GMT
#31
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55554 Posts
April 28 2019 10:11 GMT
#32
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.

For some people it's based on performance in no tournaments.
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Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-28 10:28:54
April 28 2019 10:27 GMT
#33
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?

I mean Serral does have two silver placings this year already (both 3-4 in the finals). But don't let that stop your glorious cherry picked stats for an argument. Guys literally lost like half a dozen series in 12 months.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 28 2019 10:56 GMT
#34
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?

Feel free to explain how Stats has better tournament results in the past 6 months than the 6 people behind him
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
April 28 2019 10:57 GMT
#35
But don't let that stop your glorious cherry picked stats for an argument.


Guys literally lost like half a dozen series in 12 months.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
April 28 2019 10:59 GMT
#36
On April 28 2019 19:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?

Feel free to explain how Stats has better tournament results in the past 6 months than the 6 people behind him

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Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 28 2019 11:06 GMT
#37
On April 28 2019 19:59 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 28 2019 19:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?

Feel free to explain how Stats has better tournament results in the past 6 months than the 6 people behind him

did you miss IEM Katowice?

I didnt, it was won by #9. Neither had any notable results since then.
Stats went out as 4th in the first group stage in code S, and 3-0d in the 2nd round of ST.
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15988 Posts
April 28 2019 11:19 GMT
#38
On April 28 2019 20:06 Geo.Rion wrote:
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On April 28 2019 19:59 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 19:56 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 19:10 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 18:39 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:33 Charoisaur wrote:
On April 28 2019 16:09 fastr wrote:
Thanks to the writers for providing this new power rank, it's always fun to read some of the more opinionated responses to those. I have some thoughts on some of the rankings I disagree with.

INnoVation: 10 is too low, I have him at 7. Yes he's had a shaky month and failing to qualify for any tournament is unworthy of him, but look at the context of his losses. You rightfully mention Dear's weakness in PvP yet Dear got a generous rank 8. Inno failed to qualify because he lost to sOs and Parting, both protoss, both finished top 4 in the tournament. You then mention his loss in code S ro16, but you fail to mention that he was in a group with 3 protoss, including Classic and Trap, rank 2 and 7 respectively. Balance whine aside, the pattern is clear, Inno only lost TvP, and always to very strong protoss. Hence why I think 10 is a harsh rank for him.

Serral: After winning Blizzcon 2018, Serral had a strong case for best player in the world. After 4 months of 2019 gone by, it's clear that he's not in the discussion anymore. Should he be out of the top 5? I'd argue no. I have him at 4. Dark still at 3 after a ro16 super tournament exit is puzzling to me. I'd argue that Serral is still the best zerg in the world and Dark has no business being in the top 3 after choking his 2 most recent tournament exits.

For the rest, I agree with Maru and Classic at 1 and 2 respectively, though I wouldn't be shocked to see Classic at the first spot. Stats is still a big question mark but 4 is fair after his fantastic series against Maru. Gumiho at 5 might be generous, but he had such a fantastic run to the finals that I won't argue against it.

Dark lost to Gumiho and Classic. Serral lost to Heromarine and Reynor. I'd say Serral was much more disappointing this month.

Funny how that works, Maru loses to Stats in a close series. The loss doesnt hinder Maru and the match gives a struggling Stats 4th place. Both come out ahead off of it.
Reynor beats Serral in close series (with impressive new builds), it means Serral is slumping hard, and it doesnt mean Reynor is top 10 now. They both come out behind off of it.

#TLforeignerbias

turns out Power Rank isn't based on the performance in a single tournament - what a shocker.
Maybe it has to do with the fact Maru just comes fresh of a GSL victory while Serral has shown nothing really impressive so far this year and is 1-5 against the top 12 players according to this list?

Feel free to explain how Stats has better tournament results in the past 6 months than the 6 people behind him

did you miss IEM Katowice?

I didnt, it was won by #9. Neither had any notable results since then.
Stats went out as 4th in the first group stage in code S, and 3-0d in the 2nd round of ST.

and he beat the GSL winner who had previously smashed the 3 best PvTers back-to back-to back
-no results.
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tskarzyn
Profile Joined July 2010
United States516 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-28 11:27:36
April 28 2019 11:27 GMT
#39
Trap/Dear have had some nice results (for them), but putting them ahead of Inno is... amusing.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
April 28 2019 11:31 GMT
#40
If Blizzcon was right now who would you put your money on?

It still comes down to Maru or Serral.

So this powerrank is clearly wrong, Serral should at least be number 2. Also Reynor is better than most Koreans on that list.
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