EPTI just want to search for any pro player's match history in tournaments. Is there any other website that provides this?
Is there an alternative to Aligulac?
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
I just want to search for any pro player's match history in tournaments. Is there any other website that provides this? | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
If you really want to dig deep you can always go down the rabbit whole of liquipedia and the ESL/challonge website, and work it out yourself I guess Edit: Gosugamer has a data base although it's not as complete as aligulac. https://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/rankings | ||
Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37017 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On April 16 2019 23:33 Kimb3r wrote: Aligulac is getting worse everyday... its really important for me to get access to that match data.. anyway to contribute maybe so they can better servers or whatever? Or any opportunity to create an alternative maybe? Maybe over TLPD or something... Imo Aligulac is good, the problem is you can barely use it because its so slow and sometimes completely unaccessible. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 27 2019 11:39 Seeker wrote: Sigh... It used to be TLPD... Those were the days! When you wanted to balance whine or complain about the PR, you could do all that through stats provided by TLPD. Now you have to go to external sources and rely on their unstable servers  | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19229 Posts
On March 27 2019 11:39 Seeker wrote: Sigh... It used to be TLPD... Was there a SC2 staff decisions to give up on TLPD. I know it's contributor based and BW has been spoiled by contributers, but I can't imagine that there aren't enough SC2 fans that would have been willing to put the effort in. | ||
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BadHabits
Canada45 Posts
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On April 17 2019 00:46 BadHabits wrote: going to aligulac to see how pro players are doing will never effect your life. That's not always true. Major assumption. | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
On April 17 2019 00:53 NinjaNight wrote: That's not always true. Major assumption. It's not just an assumption, but a quite stupid comment. Some people are really interested in those stats. So anyone with an idea how to create an alternative.. I would be up to fill it out with data... | ||
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
The real problem is not making it, the problem is having people maintaining it years from now. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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MockHamill
Sweden1798 Posts
On April 17 2019 21:51 opisska wrote: Isn't programming a new system a rather absurd way of solving performance issues? I assumed that the person that developed Aligulac is not working on it anymore and no one has access to his solution? | ||
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On April 17 2019 23:21 Kimb3r wrote: Hmmm.. does anybody know who that person is and how to contact him? According to the very page you are discussing, you should write him at evfonn(a)gmail(dot)com | ||
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
Even if the original product won't be updated, having access to the source and a dump of the database means someone could duplicate and create an updated version of the site without having to redo the entire thing. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
Thanks to whoever created it! We really appreciate your work! | ||
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p1cass0
46 Posts
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Kimb3r
Germany744 Posts
@opisska: Can't access the page so I can't find the relevant data... | ||
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NinjaNight
428 Posts
On April 18 2019 07:19 p1cass0 wrote: Aligulac.com did a great job in the past years. I have nothing to complain when it's available. Better try to fix the server issue than looking for an alternative. This. Aligulac is by far the best out there. They just need to fix the server issues and everything is great :D | ||
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nro
4 Posts
I love aligulac also and find it frustrating when it's down or slow. Since TheBB allows downloading the database from the website, I decided one month ago to give a shot at creating a "mirror/alternative" to aligulac. It's hosted at the address https://sc2.n1.gg. My goals were a bit different: - I want it to be fast and reliable - I decided to drop the rating (I'm no data scientist nor mathematician and everyone can have his own rating) - The website is readonly for now (I'm downloading aligulac's db once a day to refresh the data) I made some efforts to keep some urls compatible with aligulac: - http://aligulac.com/players/485-Serral/ => https://sc2.n1.gg/players/485-Serral/ - works with some parameters of match filtering in players/{id}/results url - works with some parameters of match filtering in /results/search/ The website is for now player focused and there's not a lot of features. The source code and issues can be found on github. Hope you like it, would love to have some feedback | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
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nro
4 Posts
Since the database is open and TheBB was saying that he didn't work on the code for a long time, I felt that I would do no harm with my project. It would be great for me to work with aligulac's contributors (that's why I'm posting here) | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25000 Posts
It is, by a country mile the slowest website I ever frequent on a semi-regular basis, why? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25000 Posts
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 26 2019 08:16 Wombat_NI wrote: I don’t want to be critical because everything else aside I really really do like it, I just honestly don’t understand why the access of the information held within it is quite that slow. TheBB thinks that it has to do with inefficient Postgres queries: https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/298 . | ||
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On May 26 2019 07:18 nro wrote: The hard work is obviously updating the database and I'm not trying to steal it. Since the database is open and TheBB was saying that he didn't work on the code for a long time, I felt that I would do no harm with my project. It would be great for me to work with aligulac's contributors (that's why I'm posting here) That's great! It's even more readable then the Aligulac overlay if I'm honest. But without wanting to sound ungratefull, is raising money to pay for something/someone to fix the problem Aligulac has out of the question? I understand absolutely nothing about these kind of things but if we could pay someone to optimize, it or pay for better server (or whatever) it would be nice, as much as yours is nice, a lot of people are gonna miss it if they keep going to aligulac. If someone has time to look up those things it would be great. | ||
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nro
4 Posts
On May 26 2019 08:57 Nakajin wrote: That's great! It's even more readable then the Aligulac overlay if I'm honest. But without wanting to sound ungratefull, is raising money to pay for something/someone to fix the problem Aligulac has out of the question? I understand absolutely nothing about these kind of things but if we could pay someone to optimize, it or pay for better server (or whatever) it would be nice, as much as yours is nice, a lot of people are gonna miss it if they keep going to aligulac. If someone has time to look up those things it would be great. sc2.n1.gg is not meant to compete with aligulac. If you find someone to fix aligulac's issues, that'd be great. Feardragon is already working on it: https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/299 That said, I don't think that paying for a better server is the best way to fix these issues. sc2.n1.gg is running on a 3€/month server and should be able to stay on it even if the traffic and the database get much bigger. So it's definitely an implementation issue. | ||
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xelnaga_empire
627 Posts
https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/299 https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/298 | ||
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zokker13
Germany77 Posts
On April 17 2019 21:51 opisska wrote: Isn't programming a new system a rather absurd way of solving performance issues? It's the common approach if you can't improve performance through tweaking. | ||
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BadHabits
Canada45 Posts
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sM.Zik
Canada2547 Posts
On March 27 2019 11:39 Seeker wrote: Sigh... It used to be TLPD... I miss those days so bad. It was the main thing that got me into TL initially. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On April 16 2019 23:50 BisuDagger wrote: Was there a SC2 staff decisions to give up on TLPD. I know it's contributor based and BW has been spoiled by contributers, but I can't imagine that there aren't enough SC2 fans that would have been willing to put the effort in. I don't know if there was such decision but truth been told Aligulac was in many aspects superior to whatever TLPD could provide and the work on tlpd would have been both redundant and not adding noticeable value. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 26 2019 22:19 xelnaga_empire wrote: Bump! Could somebody who is an expert with Python and/or PostgreSQL give FearDragon and TheBB help with the Aligulac site: https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/299 https://github.com/TheBB/aligulac/issues/298 I'm happy that the original developer is still replying on github and there's a chance the project takes on additional developers to fix server CPU/user 504 issues! | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 29 2019 06:05 nimdil wrote: I don't know if there was such decision but truth been told Aligulac was in many aspects superior to whatever TLPD could provide and the work on tlpd would have been both redundant and not adding noticeable value. One thing that it had that Aligulac lacks is map stats though. Wished Aligulac had it. | ||
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nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
On May 29 2019 11:18 pdd wrote: One thing that it had that Aligulac lacks is map stats though. Wished Aligulac had it. Yes, well I'm not saying it's perfect. But TLPD rating is based on Elo which is fine as long as you make players play against each other when they are on similar level. So it worked pretty good for Brood War @ Korea (proleague, thank you) but it kind of sucked for SC:WoL era as international competitions was inflated compared to Korea. So we had 2 rankings - not perfect to use for some predictions to say the least. Common rating would be even worse as Koreans would have low rating compared to foreginers (the rating would be significantly rebalanced every IPL or MLG or whatever but not to enough degree). Aligulac pretty much solved this problem and provided good way to measure relative strength of players despite having players clustered in groups of players with different and not necessarily correlated strengths and sizies. I don't know what is the status here but if Eivind is no longer involved that much, perhaps TL.net could seek to take over custody of the site. | ||
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Grovbolle
Denmark3805 Posts
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