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Andi_Goldberger
Germany1608 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4900 Posts
On February 02 2019 07:47 Drfilip wrote: I want to know how you see 'form'. If championships is everything to form, is it always predetermined who will win? I don't see how any definition would make the winner the only one in form. A close series between Rogue and Maru in the ro8 could mean that they are both in form, but only one can win. Dark making games look easy vs Classic, INnoVation and Trap would indicate that he is in form despite losing to Stats in the semi finals. well, there is a difference between being in form and being in championship form, for that you need to come fresh after winning a tournament. And all of these semantics arguments were due to the fact that in the write up they hold Dark as the best Korean zerg in LOTV and I think that's questionable. | ||
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StasisField
United States1086 Posts
On February 02 2019 01:23 Toua wrote: This will be my last response, but i always thought that form is something you talk about before a tournament not after, so in my mind someone who has a championship form is someone who is looking strong and have the skills to take the tournament. Not something we say about people after they already won the tournament, because then we already know that person won You're better off not responding like you said. Argonauta has picked a definition in which he can never be wrong about someone being in "championship form". This isn't about having a discussion, it's about being right. Anyone discussing something honestly wouldn't seriously claim only one player can ever be in championship form during a tournament. By his very definition, any close finals isn't actually close at all because the player who won was the only player who was ever actually in form to take the championship. It's a dishonest reposturing after you showed evidence contrary to his claim about Dark, where instead of discussing the validity of your claims and how Dark actually looked, he created a definition that said "I'm right" and when challenged, he simply said, "then I guess we have different definitions." It's not about talking, it's about refusing to accept he could be wrong. | ||
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DomeGetta
480 Posts
On February 02 2019 10:23 StasisField wrote: You're better off not responding like you said. Argonauta has picked a definition in which he can never be wrong about someone being in "championship form". This isn't about having a discussion, it's about being right. Anyone discussing something honestly wouldn't seriously claim only one player can ever be in championship form during a tournament. By his very definition, any close finals isn't actually close at all because the player who won was the only player who was ever actually in form to take the championship. It's a dishonest reposturing after you showed evidence contrary to his claim about Dark, where instead of discussing the validity of your claims and how Dark actually looked, he created a definition that said "I'm right" and when challenged, he simply said, "then I guess we have different definitions." It's not about talking, it's about refusing to accept he could be wrong. Yah lmao. On what planet is only the player who wins the tournament in championship form? Form implies a contender to win the championship..I honestly cant remember a time when Dark wasnt in championship form. Byun got him in code S blizzcon finals when he was in literal god mode. Maru got him in code s and wesg finals last year (when he became bonjwa) . I guess Maru was the only Korean in championship form tho then last year true that... | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4900 Posts
On February 02 2019 10:23 StasisField wrote: You're better off not responding like you said. Argonauta has picked a definition in which he can never be wrong about someone being in "championship form". This isn't about having a discussion, it's about being right. Anyone discussing something honestly wouldn't seriously claim only one player can ever be in championship form during a tournament. By his very definition, any close finals isn't actually close at all because the player who won was the only player who was ever actually in form to take the championship. It's a dishonest reposturing after you showed evidence contrary to his claim about Dark, where instead of discussing the validity of your claims and how Dark actually looked, he created a definition that said "I'm right" and when challenged, he simply said, "then I guess we have different definitions." It's not about talking, it's about refusing to accept he could be wrong. You are spot on, that's why I said besides semantics and stuff lets talk about how questionable I find Dark is portrayed as the best Zerg in Korea, In my opinion, the fact that since 2016 he wasn't won any tournament speaks loudly, sure he has several strong showings being 4 times or so second place, but that final push of becoming champion is something Dark lacks atm. In my mind there is not better zerg in korea right now being soO Rogue and Dark more or less equal. | ||
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Argonauta
Spain4900 Posts
On February 02 2019 10:43 DomeGetta wrote: Yah lmao. On what planet is only the player who wins the tournament in championship form? Form implies a contender to win the championship..I honestly cant remember a time when Dark wasnt in championship form. Byun got him in code S blizzcon finals when he was in literal god mode. Maru got him in code s and wesg finals last year (when he became bonjwa) . I guess Maru was the only Korean in championship form tho then last year true that... and Rogue... why everybody forgets rogue? | ||
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Topin
Peru10031 Posts
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
I'm still waiting for that season to just happen out of nowhere for KeeN, and I would really really enjoy if it were the 2019, GSL season 1. I still remember what seems like eons ago when KeeN showed the world how good Ghosts could be vs Toss if they were hidden in Medivacs and then utilized with surgical precision when the opportune opening presented itself. If memory serves me, he was the first player to effectively use Ghosts in Medivacs to deal with High Templars in the TvP MU. Many came after him, immitating his Ghost-Medi TvP play, although I still vividly recall Tastosis freaking out in some of his TvP matches over just how groundbreaking his play was. Then there was his run-in with Maru last year where Maru couldn't actually beat KeeN in a macro game... These flashes of brilliance throughout KeeN's career leave me longing for just a little bit more, because I honestly believe he is capable of taking on basically anyone when he's in the zone. Why couldn't this be his time to show the world that he doesn't just belong in the lower echelon of hopeless Korean Terran regulars!? | ||
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Edulis
United States21 Posts
On February 02 2019 08:09 Waxangel wrote: I think Dark's gameplay at 100% is so impressive that a lot of fans will always put him in the top-tier. Similar to how Rogue can be really awful and seemingly dumb at times, but then he'll just bring his A-game out of nowhere (though obviously, Rogue is better at converting this into actual tournament wins). So True! I've always been a big fan of Dark despite his lack of championship in recent years, and that's because his flare and character is unparalleled (sosososososososososo many banelings!). Although Serral clearly had much more success in 2018, I found it hard for me to be a fan of him purely because...how should I put it it...it's so perfect that it almost lacks a soul. And whenever I see Dark plays I feel exactly like that's him playing. I know it's quite an narrow angle to go for, but that's how I truly feel about Dark and I'll probably still be a fan of him until he stops playing for good. | ||
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pvsnp
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speakerbox
Canada453 Posts
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speakerbox
Canada453 Posts
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