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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
If you look closely, there's bayonettes on the tips of the marine's rifles. Maybe they have some kind of 'tanking' form where they use their shields (which have been added into the game for some reason) and bayonettes to fight in melee combat while other marines are in range mode shooting from behind? It would work like the footman in WC3 who have 'defence' mode. Click the images to open a new window with a higher quality pic: ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/MaTtBoy/melee.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v361/MaTtBoy/melee2.jpg) | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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Excalibur_Z
United States12235 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
 On May 29 2007 16:28 IntoTheWow wrote: No there isn't, and my thoughts exactly with the micro. Imagine; one group of marines for melee mode, another for ranging; dancing your army around a swarm of zerglings switching in and out of melee/range.Is there cooldown in W3 for changing between modes? this could create some serious sick micro. To the person up top: I agree; decreased damage with melee only and decreased mobility for a nice big bonus in defence. | ||
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Zanno
United States1484 Posts
On May 29 2007 16:28 IntoTheWow wrote: negligibleIs there cooldown in W3 for changing between modes? this could create some serious sick micro. | ||
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IIICodeIIIIIII
China1101 Posts
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
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TeRRan`UseR
Canada692 Posts
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Tusk
Canada427 Posts
On May 29 2007 16:37 IIICodeIIIIIII wrote: as long as marines in melee mode aren't that powerful. marines are still supposed to be ranged units that are good with range, but suck at melee. Like any ranged force in real life. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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crazie-penguin
United States1253 Posts
On May 29 2007 16:42 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I'm going to repeat for the umpteenth time that the movies are not final, and the game is pre-alpha. It's futile to assume anything regarding units strengths/weaknesses at this point. It's just a discussion about possibilities. Let us be, otherwise if we follow your logic we won't be talking about anything "plausible". | ||
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ktp
United States797 Posts
1. Ranged - default mode, shoots guass rifle just like they do in SC1 2 Bayonet - this would replace the use of firebat, bayonets can be effective for fighting off swarms of zerglings in melee, but weak vs protoss zealots. 3. Shield - this would replace the use of a medic, a shield reduces damage but makes the marine less mobile. To balance this with the other modes, it would be effective for defending zealot psi blades, but weak vs zerglings. Now to mix things up...We all know a 0/0 marine vs 0/0 zergling 1v1, the zergling wins. What if the marine can quickly switch to bayonet mode at the last second when the zergling is closing in, thus allowing the marine to defeat the zergling? This would require a lot of micro, and good timing. So like in the picture, theres only a few marines facing a massive amount of zerglings, therefore its most efficient to fire until zerglings come to melee range, and micro your marines in front into bayonet mode. Would be a lot of fun. Next, Marines can now defend against Zealot rushes by blocking their paths using their shields. Now of course they won't be able to shoot, so you will need multiple marines to do this. Some will serve has the role of SCVs in SC1 vs zealot rushes, which is to block the pathing and put up shields. If the zealots attack those marines it wont be effective because zealot damage is reduced. The marines lined up behind will be in range mode firing and killing the zealots. Or if you want to be stupid, bayonet the zealots. | ||
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
On May 29 2007 21:10 ktp wrote: Blizzard should (if they haven't already) remove Medics, Marines, and Stimpack and replace it with 3 Marine "Modes" 1. Ranged - default mode, shoots guass rifle just like they do in SC1 2 Bayonet - this would replace the use of firebat, bayonets can be effective for fighting off swarms of zerglings in melee, but weak vs protoss zealots. 3. Shield - this would replace the use of a medic, a shield reduces damage but makes the marine less mobile. To balance this with the other modes, it would be effective for defending zealot psi blades, but weak vs zerglings. Yeah but is this Starcraft or is this Warhammer 40k? I mean, we've already got guys with jetpacks dual-wielding pistols. Chaos raptors anyone? | ||
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NastyMarine
United States1252 Posts
But honestly, i dont think they'll utilize it. I think it is just a matter of being in alpha stage, and the design of the marine will be changed along the way - but thats just my take on things. I would be very dissapointed if the firebat was removed. Firebat has a huge roll in fighting melee units and ripping up tightly grouped units. I think the firebat has alot of potential - and if my own speculations are right, they'll need it grouped with marines more now then ever. my own speculations leave me to believe that the shields will make it possible for the removal of the Medic, though they are a HUGE part of the Terran army. I'm not sure, but with the UED GONE (or only a small faction left), it kind of fits into the story to remove them. Just speculation though. | ||
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Lipton
United States168 Posts
I think the shield may be a permanent upgrade for defense... or if it is a ability they can switch on and off, they can still fire (which makes sense cause marines in SC don't run out of bullets) but move slower. | ||
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Tyrio
United States3248 Posts
Marines are supposed to be a simple, being the first unit Terran gets. Fiving them stim and a melee mode would be too much =O | ||
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Headlines
United States482 Posts
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
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OctoPuSs
Canada5279 Posts
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FatRine
406 Posts
On May 30 2007 19:34 OctoPuSs wrote: Completely off-topic but I think SC2's Space Platform tileset should be grey, not blue. Too confusing with units imo. agreed. | ||
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poasiodss
United States63 Posts
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littlechava
United States7218 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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vicml21
Canada165 Posts
I just wonder if being able to do this would increase early game turtles, especially if siege tanks are placed right behind them. | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 29 2007 16:40 TeRRan`UseR wrote: Well from the screenshots and movies; zerg seems to have been refined to more of a 'swam' style. Zerglings appear to be a lot weaker and excel only in numbers. I think this marine melee mode would fit nicely and work well. a.k.a. would make tvz imba =D | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 29 2007 22:07 NastyMarine wrote: well it would be an intereresting ability for the marine, but im sure they would have showcased it at the WWI announcement. I mean, look at the zealot's charge (though it was inevitable that they would show it) and then look at the zerglings' baneling ability. Why wouldn't they show the melee and/or shield ability in the demonstration? Could be a design they are tooling with, or pre-alpha ability. Seems like, if they are going to give marines an ability to utilize them, that they werent ready to show it off for various reasons. But honestly, i dont think they'll utilize it. I think it is just a matter of being in alpha stage, and the design of the marine will be changed along the way - but thats just my take on things. I would be very dissapointed if the firebat was removed. Firebat has a huge roll in fighting melee units and ripping up tightly grouped units. I think the firebat has alot of potential - and if my own speculations are right, they'll need it grouped with marines more now then ever. my own speculations leave me to believe that the shields will make it possible for the removal of the Medic, though they are a HUGE part of the Terran army. I'm not sure, but with the UED GONE (or only a small faction left), it kind of fits into the story to remove them. Just speculation though. No...They would of shown off the "staples" new abilities...or it would of made most sense like you said... They showed the zergling/zealots new moves...why wouldn't they show the marines? Anyway... Not sure about sc2... | ||
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~OpZ~
United States3652 Posts
On May 30 2007 22:27 littlechava wrote: the marine from the cinematic doesn't need a bayonet or a shield, he fights lings with his bare hands Damn straight!! The only way to go. | ||
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nijigasumi
Philippines6 Posts
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lololol
5198 Posts
On May 30 2007 22:27 littlechava wrote: the marine from the cinematic doesn't need a bayonet or a shield, he fights lings with his bare hands So his rifle is just for looks I guess. | ||
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lamarine
586 Posts
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Latham
9560 Posts
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lololol
5198 Posts
On May 31 2007 02:53 lamarine wrote: what about no stimpack???:D I'm tired of my finger hurting, because of hitting the T key so much(the M key is pretty close behind, but multiple building selection will fix that), so I can go without it  | ||
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Equinox_kr
United States7395 Posts
ROFL HAHAHAHAHAHA | ||
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LilClinkin
Australia667 Posts
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Lisk
Latvia376 Posts
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Haemonculus
United States6980 Posts
Honestly it's probably possible. Look at the size of that goddamn suit. He could probably stomp on lings. | ||
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KaasZerg
Netherlands927 Posts
A zealot would dodge or parry the bajonet, swing over the shield burying his psiblaze in the marines visor. | ||
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