WCSTaking sOs's performance in the group stages, Maru would have been the one 3-0ing this series if he came prepared with an actual game plan that goes beyond "1. just proxy every game 2. .... 3. profit"
Could this be the end of the proxy era..?
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nadavu
38 Posts
Taking sOs's performance in the group stages, Maru would have been the one 3-0ing this series if he came prepared with an actual game plan that goes beyond "1. just proxy every game 2. .... 3. profit" Could this be the end of the proxy era..? | ||
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midhigh
31 Posts
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starkiller123
United States2544 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom6482 Posts
On November 02 2018 18:36 Fango wrote: It would be cool for sOs to maintain his title as a hype killer even now. Yup. After what he did to Jaeding and MKP I should've expected it. Although Maru played like such an idiot. In a macro/lategame Sos doesn't stand a chance. Why does he do these things to himself. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil2292 Posts
On November 03 2018 06:18 nadavu wrote: In some ways, I think this sOs win over Maru validates what Lambo said in his interview (and got crucified for it): Maru proxying every game is not a testimony of greatness but of lack of proper preparations. Don't forget the proxy-fiesta started when he was nearly eliminated in GSL round of 32 by KeeN. I kept wondering why no one was simply blind-countering proxies every game against Maru, and I guess the answer is that no one really knew how to counter it when it was backed up by what are possibly the fastest hands in SC2. Taking sOs's performance in the group stages, Maru would have been the one 3-0ing this series if he came prepared with an actual game plan that goes beyond "1. just proxy every game 2. .... 3. profit" Could this be the end of the proxy era..? Cyclones being removed from the game will seal the deal if this doesn't. | ||
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parkhunp
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IArako
136 Posts
I hope Olli is just about right with the rest. | ||
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Tempest
United States136 Posts
On November 03 2018 06:19 midhigh wrote: i think this is simple one of the saddest moment of SC2. Maru's stubbornness (and to be honest a simple terrible performance) robbed us from an all time great match vs Serral. I don't think anyone can challenge Serral from the upper bracket in a BO7. Stats can. If that's the finals, I expect non-stop scrap and neither player will sweep the other. | ||
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kajtarp
Hungary344 Posts
On November 03 2018 06:19 midhigh wrote: i think this is simple one of the saddest moment of SC2. Maru's stubbornness (and to be honest a simple terrible performance) robbed us from an all time great match vs Serral. I don't think anyone can challenge Serral from the upper bracket in a BO7. Cheeser got cheesed out , i say good riddance. Same for TY. I'm not saying watching proxy openers can not be exciting, but having almost every single map opened with proxies after a while just gets boring. Hopefully the meta will switch back in next year and it won't be every game proxy from terrans. What's really sad that they are capable of playing a whole lot varieties still, most games proxies. Well,i guess they will re-evaluate their gameplay after Blizzcon. Completely agree with nadavu btw. | ||
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uummpaa
171 Posts
but stats was gonna win anyway, so no need to be two sad about maru ^^ | ||
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Neneu
Norway198 Posts
On November 01 2018 23:17 Neneu wrote: Surprised nobody expects sOs to win over Maru considering the last tournament they fought, GSL Super tournament 1 month ago, sOs won 3 - 1 over Maru in the round of 8 and eliminated him from the tournament. A lot of magic can happen when two teammates fights, especially when they are such strong meta/strategy influencers as Maru and sOs. Also lets not forget that at blizzcon sOs tends to be in $O$ mode. Called it | ||
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Cricketer12
United States12652 Posts
On November 03 2018 01:05 TheBloodyDwarf wrote: Beep boop, im from the future ![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/KnH43iz.png) Beep boop ur alreadry half wrong. Granted I'm not much better. Serral fucked my prediction streak. | ||
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midhigh
31 Posts
On November 03 2018 18:59 uummpaa wrote: the best thing about this is, that the two best terrans in the world proxyed themself out of the tournament, which might help to get rid of this ugly, ugly meta but stats was gonna win anyway, so no need to be two sad about maru ^^ The funny part is, both of them played against strugling players (sos and rogue), so if they just play standard with maybe one good timed proxy, they could have won easily. It is especially annoying in Maru's case since sOs knows Maru and his proxy's very well, and knows how to counter it. | ||
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xongnox
504 Posts
Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day. Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss. Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps. So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply). So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player. There is a reason people never want to play sOs. | ||
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Freeborn
Germany372 Posts
On November 03 2018 21:38 xongnox wrote: Maru win 3 consecutive GSLs while proxying a lot, he's a genius and best player ever. Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day. Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss. Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps. So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply). So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player. There is a reason people never want to play sOs. I agree. My prediction was wrong too, but as I said I am very happy SoS won. It's just fortifying this legendary status. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic7803 Posts
On November 03 2018 21:38 xongnox wrote: Maru win 3 consecutive GSLs while proxying a lot, he's a genius and best player ever. Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day. Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss. Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps. So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply). So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player. There is a reason people never want to play sOs. I would add one more thing. Since we don't see into the team, there's a possibility that the team thought that the best possibility for the tournament win lies in the hands of sOs and Rogue, therefore Maru helped Rogue to prepare for his ZvT vs TY who's the 2nd best Terran in the world. Thus Maru came not prepared at all. I think this is highly possible considering Maru isn't exactly great in the weekend tournament settings while both Rogue and sOs are. | ||
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IArako
136 Posts
On November 03 2018 20:30 Cricketer12 wrote: Beep boop ur alreadry half wrong. Granted I'm not much better. Serral fucked my prediction streak. Your fault for doubting Serral. Rogue is the toughest opponent for him out of all Blizzcon players but i really hope he just crushes everyone so korean elitists finally stop undervaluing his achievements. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom6482 Posts
On November 03 2018 22:18 deacon.frost wrote: I would add one more thing. Since we don't see into the team, there's a possibility that the team thought that the best possibility for the tournament win lies in the hands of sOs and Rogue, therefore Maru helped Rogue to prepare for his ZvT vs TY who's the 2nd best Terran in the world. Thus Maru came not prepared at all. I think this is highly possible considering Maru isn't exactly great in the weekend tournament settings while both Rogue and sOs are. No team functions like that. It isn't proleague, players play for themselves not their team. Maru has even said in the past that he doesn't even care if he has to face teammates, he'll treat them like anyone else. | ||
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neutralrobot
Australia840 Posts
On November 03 2018 21:38 xongnox wrote: Maru win 3 consecutive GSLs while proxying a lot, he's a genius and best player ever. Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day. Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss. Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps. So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply). So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player. There is a reason people never want to play sOs. By game 3, it was obvious that Maru had to try something else. I'm a bit shocked he didn't even try to play a bit more of a conservative macro game after it became obvious how hard sOs had his number with the proxies. It felt like bad prep vs good prep, honestly. | ||
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MyLovelyLurker
France533 Posts
On November 03 2018 23:40 neutralrobot wrote: By game 3, it was obvious that Maru had to try something else. I'm a bit shocked he didn't even try to play a bit more of a conservative macro game after it became obvious how hard sOs had his number with the proxies. It felt like bad prep vs good prep, honestly. Game 3 was pure hubris - he knew that standard play at the level of Heromarine should be enough to unsettle SoS, yet didn't try. It's okay, it's how every great eventually falls before learning their lesson. | ||
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