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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 02 2018 00:23 GMT
#101
I think my bracket would look a lot like the one from TheOneAboveU. I also expect Maru vs Stats to be the greatest TvP ever played.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
November 02 2018 01:22 GMT
#102
I find it so funny that people are hating/doubting Serral. Every time he plays people doubt him and he delivers every time. I fully expect him to make the finals and I can't see him losing to anyone but Maru.
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
necrosexy
Profile Joined March 2011
451 Posts
November 02 2018 01:30 GMT
#103
what have you done, writing staff?
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
November 02 2018 02:15 GMT
#104
I think Serral is a favourite over Dark, but not a huge favourite, and anything can happen in a bo5 ZvZ. With all the hype, people seem to be ignoring the very real possibility that he goes out in the quarters.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
November 02 2018 02:19 GMT
#105
On November 02 2018 08:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral winning would make it an insane year for him. Of course, it was already an incredible year for him. If you ask me Serral winning two tournaments in a row against koreans would make it the best achievement of any foreigner so far for me, especially considering this is Blizzcon.

For me, regardless of the outcome of this tournament, Scarlett is still the best foreigner of all time with Idra number two. 2018 doesn't outdo Scarlett's long resume of taking out top Koreans at their peak and competing in GSL.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 03:05:49
November 02 2018 03:04 GMT
#106
Next WCS winner is Stats, you all fail.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13970 Posts
November 02 2018 03:14 GMT
#107
On November 02 2018 12:04 Malongo wrote:
Next WCS winner is Stats, you all fail.

I know right!
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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1770 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 04:04:55
November 02 2018 04:04 GMT
#108
If betting, would you take serral and Maru, or the field of 6
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 04:15:55
November 02 2018 04:14 GMT
#109
On November 02 2018 13:04 ssg wrote:
If betting, would you take serral and Maru, or the field of 6


The field of 6. People keep going on about Blizzard rigging the brackets...if that was the case they should've rigged it better tbh.

Serral probably has to go through double Korean ZvZ (a mu he's been slipping in lately) and Maru likely has to go through the 2 Protoss players who beat him in their last encounters with him. Not to mention Maru is also against his teammate...and not just any teammate but one of the greatest strategical players we've ever had in the game who might already have a ton of snipe builds in his pocket specifically tailored for Maru.

Swap Maru with Serral then I'd find both of them reaching the finals a lot more likely.
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Rodya
Profile Joined January 2018
546 Posts
November 02 2018 04:35 GMT
#110
On November 02 2018 13:14 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 13:04 ssg wrote:
If betting, would you take serral and Maru, or the field of 6


The field of 6. People keep going on about Blizzard rigging the brackets...if that was the case they should've rigged it better tbh.

Serral probably has to go through double Korean ZvZ (a mu he's been slipping in lately) and Maru likely has to go through the 2 Protoss players who beat him in their last encounters with him. Not to mention Maru is also against his teammate...and not just any teammate but one of the greatest strategical players we've ever had in the game who might already have a ton of snipe builds in his pocket specifically tailored for Maru.

Swap Maru with Serral then I'd find both of them reaching the finals a lot more likely.

Everyone here seems to be underrating the fact that the current PvT meta was defined by Maru in the last season of GSL. It is unlikely that any protoss have been able to come up with a perfect answer to it yet. I guess if anyone has done it it would be sOs though. I think Maru will clean sweep his side of the bracket, to be honest, although it all depends on how sOs deals with the proxies.
Banned for saying "zerg players are by far the biggest whiners in sc2 history" despite the fact that this forum is full of such posts about Terrans. Foreigner Elitists in control!
Kazi25
Profile Joined July 2016
Philippines236 Posts
November 02 2018 04:50 GMT
#111
Can't wait for another round of Stats-Dark finals.
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
November 02 2018 04:51 GMT
#112
On November 02 2018 11:19 Rodya wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 08:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral winning would make it an insane year for him. Of course, it was already an incredible year for him. If you ask me Serral winning two tournaments in a row against koreans would make it the best achievement of any foreigner so far for me, especially considering this is Blizzcon.

For me, regardless of the outcome of this tournament, Scarlett is still the best foreigner of all time with Idra number two. 2018 doesn't outdo Scarlett's long resume of taking out top Koreans at their peak and competing in GSL.

neither of those choices make any sense lol
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 06:19:58
November 02 2018 05:58 GMT
#113
On November 02 2018 13:51 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 11:19 Rodya wrote:
On November 02 2018 08:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral winning would make it an insane year for him. Of course, it was already an incredible year for him. If you ask me Serral winning two tournaments in a row against koreans would make it the best achievement of any foreigner so far for me, especially considering this is Blizzcon.

For me, regardless of the outcome of this tournament, Scarlett is still the best foreigner of all time with Idra number two. 2018 doesn't outdo Scarlett's long resume of taking out top Koreans at their peak and competing in GSL.

neither of those choices make any sense lol


Rodya's opinions of foreigners rarely do lol
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
StasisField
Profile Joined August 2013
United States1086 Posts
November 02 2018 06:12 GMT
#114
On November 02 2018 06:03 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 04:04 StasisField wrote:
On November 01 2018 23:38 ParksonVN wrote:
I'm so disappointed by how biased some parts of the community are. It's been 8 years of wonderful SC2 with countless fantastic moments and some people still say that it would be the best thing in the history of the game "for them" that Serral wins Blizzcon ??? Best thing for what? A foreigner finally wins? Were you not that entertained when guys like MVP, Life, sOs, Inno, Taeja ... gave us their best games?


So people aren't personally allowed to find the idea of the "under dog" region rising to the ocassion and winning it all to be the most satisfying storyline because you personally find that ridiculous? Don't you see how hypocritical and lacking in self-awareness that is?

Thing is Serral shouldn't be considered an underdog.

It's not like europe is a deprived region when it comes to pro gaming either. Pros struggling to get as good as koreans is due to the amount of work they put in. Serral put in the work and is getting the results. He should be taken as seriously as Dark or Rogue, not as some incredible underdog doing the impossible.

It's cool that a european player is competing at the highest level. It's not the best storyline of all time. If he wins blizzcon I don't see how it's any better than Rogue's story from last year. In fact I'd argue Rogue's was better because of how much harder it was for him to qualify.


"Foreigner" was a term the Koreans started using for a reason, and it's not because they saw those outside the region as equals. Serral himself isn't an under dog, but it's quite the feat in and of itself that he has managed to get on an even playing field with the Korean region, the region that has dominated the field of play without question for nearly 2 decades.

Serral had plenty of reason to not rise to the ocassion: lack of a teamhouse environment still enjoyed by JAGW and the teachings and skills that environment provided the other Koreans before its collapse, lacking practice partners as skilled as the Koreans in Europe, refusing to train in Korea to play the best when that was a viable option this year with the foreigner teamhouse, the pressure of being the foreigner carrying the torch getting to him, and more. Serral had plenty of reasons to buckle and become like all the other foreigner "hopes," but he didn't buckle. In fact, he flourished and he very well could upset the long established order of the Starcraft world. That might not be the best storyline to you, but to others, like me, it is.

As my original comment suggested, we don't have to agree on what we think is the best storyline, but I think we should at least try and respect differing opinions until we're given a reason not to.
What do you mean Immortals can't shoot up?
BlingBlang
Profile Joined June 2018
21 Posts
November 02 2018 06:52 GMT
#115
Only TY can upset Serral until the finals. His ZvZ is far far too strong. He will make a mockery of Dark and possibly Rogue. I am far less confident with Maru reaching the finals. sOs has looked awful but he is notoriously erratic and he is the master of mindgames so there's an outside chance of an upset. Stats is perenially underestimated. Amazing all round Protoss. I think it will be very close between him and Maru. If Stats advances he will lose to Serral, if Maru advances I'm fairly sure he will beat Serral handily.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 02 2018 07:27 GMT
#116
On November 02 2018 14:58 StasisField wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2018 13:51 starkiller123 wrote:
On November 02 2018 11:19 Rodya wrote:
On November 02 2018 08:51 HolydaKing wrote:
Serral winning would make it an insane year for him. Of course, it was already an incredible year for him. If you ask me Serral winning two tournaments in a row against koreans would make it the best achievement of any foreigner so far for me, especially considering this is Blizzcon.

For me, regardless of the outcome of this tournament, Scarlett is still the best foreigner of all time with Idra number two. 2018 doesn't outdo Scarlett's long resume of taking out top Koreans at their peak and competing in GSL.

neither of those choices make any sense lol


Rodya's posts rarely do lol

FTFY
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DevilDriver
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany77 Posts
November 02 2018 07:43 GMT
#117
On November 02 2018 15:52 BlingBlang wrote:
Only TY can upset Serral until the finals. His ZvZ is far far too strong. He will make a mockery of Dark and possibly Rogue. I am far less confident with Maru reaching the finals. sOs has looked awful but he is notoriously erratic and he is the master of mindgames so there's an outside chance of an upset. Stats is perenially underestimated. Amazing all round Protoss. I think it will be very close between him and Maru. If Stats advances he will lose to Serral, if Maru advances I'm fairly sure he will beat Serral handily.


That is also my prediction. In GSL vs World the match between Maru and Serral vs BO1 and Maru didn't seem to take it that serious. I think that doesn't imply more than Serral being able to win some maps of Maru. But in the ZvT Matchup I expect Maru to have an edge.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
November 02 2018 08:30 GMT
#118
After careful consideration, I reached the conclusion that Special wins it all.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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spenzzer
Profile Joined March 2018
19 Posts
November 02 2018 08:33 GMT
#119
On November 02 2018 02:15 Nakajin wrote:
For every one doubting sOs I would advice going back to watch the pre-show of the 2013 Blizzcon final, it's one of the funniest things in the world.


Artosis predicted him to win the blizzcon which acutally seals the deal on Maru 3:0ing him.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-02 09:37:10
November 02 2018 09:36 GMT
#120
On November 02 2018 02:15 Nakajin wrote:
For every one doubting sOs I would advice going back to watch the pre-show of the 2013 Blizzcon final, it's one of the funniest things in the world.

sOs was underrated back then though. He was good but didn't have any victories yet. Now he's the opposite, big victories in the past but hasn't looked as good recently.

Although the jaedong hype back then really was something. It would be cool for sOs to maintain his title as a hype killer even now.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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