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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-04 12:58:17
November 04 2018 12:57 GMT
#161
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Hey I got pretty close!
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
November 04 2018 13:12 GMT
#162
On November 04 2018 21:50 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
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On November 03 2018 23:40 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 03 2018 21:38 xongnox wrote:
Maru win 3 consecutive GSLs while proxying a lot, he's a genius and best player ever.
Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament

Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day.
Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game
Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss.
Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps.

So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply).
So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player.
There is a reason people never want to play sOs.


By game 3, it was obvious that Maru had to try something else. I'm a bit shocked he didn't even try to play a bit more of a conservative macro game after it became obvious how hard sOs had his number with the proxies. It felt like bad prep vs good prep, honestly.


Game 3 was pure hubris - he knew that standard play at the level of Heromarine should be enough to unsettle SoS, yet didn't try. It's okay, it's how every great eventually falls before learning their lesson.

The absolutely absurd thing is, he is not some rookie who just broke into the scene. He is a 8 year veteran.
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MyLovelyLurker
Profile Joined April 2007
France756 Posts
November 04 2018 14:35 GMT
#163
On November 04 2018 22:12 digmouse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2018 21:50 MyLovelyLurker wrote:
On November 03 2018 23:40 neutralrobot wrote:
On November 03 2018 21:38 xongnox wrote:
Maru win 3 consecutive GSLs while proxying a lot, he's a genius and best player ever.
Maru loose while proxy-ing at Blizcon, he proxy-ing himself out of the tournament

Maybe, just maybe, he just had a very bad day.
Maybe, just maybe, he plays a tons of customs with his teammate sOs, and know, in the current balance and meta, he stands no chance in straight macro game
Maybe, just maybe, sOs really did a good and very new strategic choice: his 1base fast blink is probably BO win versus harass-oriented rax+factory proxy, while dying versus heavy early pressure like reactor cyclones or cyclone/marauder... but.. atm no good terran go heavy pressure vs 1 base toss.
Maybe, just maybe, he never ever got photon rushed since age and loosed his composure. For information, proxying rax+facto is maybe the best build versus photon rush on photon-rush favored maps.

So yeah he BO-loose on first map versus a BO never even seen vs terran proxy. Then map 2 his build is totally fine, if he proxy cyclone he win, but again he probably never ever played this situation. Game 3 his build was fine (fact at home), but simply played terrible bad (missed second supply).
So yeah, in two consecutive maps he played never ever seen BS builds from sOs and he totally break down. Guess what ? Same shit happened to every Korean player.
There is a reason people never want to play sOs.


By game 3, it was obvious that Maru had to try something else. I'm a bit shocked he didn't even try to play a bit more of a conservative macro game after it became obvious how hard sOs had his number with the proxies. It felt like bad prep vs good prep, honestly.


Game 3 was pure hubris - he knew that standard play at the level of Heromarine should be enough to unsettle SoS, yet didn't try. It's okay, it's how every great eventually falls before learning their lesson.

The absolutely absurd thing is, he is not some rookie who just broke into the scene. He is a 8 year veteran.


Truer words haven't been spoken. When that absurdity finally hits him, I hope he does the right thing and gets full blackout drunk, so as to forget this & recover ASAP.
"I just say, it doesn't matter win or lose, I just love Starcraft 2, I love this game, I love this stage, just play like in practice" - TIME/Oliveira
terribleplayer1
Profile Joined July 2018
95 Posts
November 04 2018 15:25 GMT
#164
I can't believe people are still hating on Serral, most of the arguments are pretty shit and have been debunked.


On this patch Serral is absolutely the best player in the world, and the best player of 2018, it's unfortunate Maru had sOs -> Stats on his bracket so I figured the chances he'd get by was low (I was still expecting him to make it), but even if he did make it, I don't think Maru would stand any chance, you can sort of see how it'd play out by looking at Maru's TvZ's and Serral's ZvT.

Serral is 18-0 vs T this patch on offline games, including an absolute stomp over inno 3-0, and 1-0 over Maru, Inno went 6-1 vs Rogue, a week before Serral decimated him, uThermal vs Reynor is pretty even, and Reynor gave Maru a hard time, uThermal vs Serral hasn't been close in a while.

The most telling thing about Serral isn't even the insane stats, such as 6 Premiers in a row, highest winrate vs koreans out of anyone in 2018... but...... how he is actually winning, watch the god damn games, he is stomping koreans playing standard, while they try to throw weird shit at him, it's actually the inverse KR vs non-kr scenario.
Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
November 04 2018 15:27 GMT
#165
Well done Olli!
You did not see sOs upsetting Maru, but all the other seven result predictions were correct with three exact scores guessed right.
By far the best prediction out of all of writing staff's ones.
midhigh
Profile Joined July 2018
49 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-04 16:45:53
November 04 2018 16:43 GMT
#166
On November 05 2018 00:25 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I can't believe people are still hating on Serral, most of the arguments are pretty shit and have been debunked.


On this patch Serral is absolutely the best player in the world, and the best player of 2018, it's unfortunate Maru had sOs -> Stats on his bracket so I figured the chances he'd get by was low (I was still expecting him to make it), but even if he did make it, I don't think Maru would stand any chance, you can sort of see how it'd play out by looking at Maru's TvZ's and Serral's ZvT.

Serral is 18-0 vs T this patch on offline games, including an absolute stomp over inno 3-0, and 1-0 over Maru, Inno went 6-1 vs Rogue, a week before Serral decimated him, uThermal vs Reynor is pretty even, and Reynor gave Maru a hard time, uThermal vs Serral hasn't been close in a while.

The most telling thing about Serral isn't even the insane stats, such as 6 Premiers in a row, highest winrate vs koreans out of anyone in 2018... but...... how he is actually winning, watch the god damn games, he is stomping koreans playing standard, while they try to throw weird shit at him, it's actually the inverse KR vs non-kr scenario.


You are either blind or do not know the game enough.. Serral and Maru are head and shoulders above the competition skillset wise right now. You simply can't judge Serral's ZvT simply because he does not have enough matches versus Maru (and Inno and TY or Gumiho), just versus medicore competition in the EU, not to mention saying Maru would not stand a chance. Maru only lost one match the whole year vs Zerg that matters (vs Rogue Katowice, same amount as Serral only lost one match vs T in WESG). As of todayMaru is the only player capable of going toe to toe in multitasking in TvZ vs Serral. Just look at his game against Rogue in GSL ST2. He clearly prepared for Serral, with his building placements versus ling counterattacks. I am not saying Maru would beat Serral in a BO7, i am only Saying he is the only one capable of beating Serral right now. I would say it is a 50-50 chance.

Also this blizzcon showed us that TvP is in a very bad state right now, as the best T in the world thinks proxying is the only chance of winning against a struggling Protoss, and it is especially alarming since sOs multitasking is one or two level below of Maru's.
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-04 19:04:40
November 04 2018 19:02 GMT
#167
On November 05 2018 00:25 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I can't believe people are still hating on Serral, most of the arguments are pretty shit and have been debunked.


On this patch Serral is absolutely the best player in the world, and the best player of 2018, it's unfortunate Maru had sOs -> Stats on his bracket so I figured the chances he'd get by was low (I was still expecting him to make it), but even if he did make it, I don't think Maru would stand any chance, you can sort of see how it'd play out by looking at Maru's TvZ's and Serral's ZvT.

Serral is 18-0 vs T this patch on offline games, including an absolute stomp over inno 3-0, and 1-0 over Maru, Inno went 6-1 vs Rogue, a week before Serral decimated him, uThermal vs Reynor is pretty even, and Reynor gave Maru a hard time, uThermal vs Serral hasn't been close in a while.

The most telling thing about Serral isn't even the insane stats, such as 6 Premiers in a row, highest winrate vs koreans out of anyone in 2018... but...... how he is actually winning, watch the god damn games, he is stomping koreans playing standard, while they try to throw weird shit at him, it's actually the inverse KR vs non-kr scenario.


Serral has not yet proved he can beat a top Korean Terran. He beat Innovation at a time when Inno was at his low, but has not faced Gumiho, TY, or Maru.

Yes, he is undeniably the best in the world right now. But he hasn't yet shown the tier of ZvT we want to see.

Edit: That's why I was looking forward to Blizzcon. I hoped that TY would beat Rogue and Maru would Finals so that we could see at least one of Serral v. TY or Serral v. Maru.

Thanks to Maru's bad choices and TY's dumb luck vs Rogue, neither happened. Honestly I almost gave up watching the Finals, another boring ZvP until Stats turned the fire back on in game 4 and 5.
Et tu Brute ?
waiting2Bbanned
Profile Joined November 2015
United States154 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-11-05 00:57:09
November 04 2018 22:20 GMT
#168
On November 05 2018 04:02 KR_4EVR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 00:25 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I can't believe people are still hating on Serral, most of the arguments are pretty shit and have been debunked.


On this patch Serral is absolutely the best player in the world, and the best player of 2018, it's unfortunate Maru had sOs -> Stats on his bracket so I figured the chances he'd get by was low (I was still expecting him to make it), but even if he did make it, I don't think Maru would stand any chance, you can sort of see how it'd play out by looking at Maru's TvZ's and Serral's ZvT.

Serral is 18-0 vs T this patch on offline games, including an absolute stomp over inno 3-0, and 1-0 over Maru, Inno went 6-1 vs Rogue, a week before Serral decimated him, uThermal vs Reynor is pretty even, and Reynor gave Maru a hard time, uThermal vs Serral hasn't been close in a while.

The most telling thing about Serral isn't even the insane stats, such as 6 Premiers in a row, highest winrate vs koreans out of anyone in 2018... but...... how he is actually winning, watch the god damn games, he is stomping koreans playing standard, while they try to throw weird shit at him, it's actually the inverse KR vs non-kr scenario.


Serral has not yet proved he can beat a top Korean Terran. He beat Innovation at a time when Inno was at his low, but has not faced Gumiho, TY, or Maru.

Yes, he is undeniably the best in the world right now. But he hasn't yet shown the tier of ZvT we want to see.


Yasss!! Came for a good quality goal-post move, leaving satisfied!
"If you are going to break the law, do it with two thousand people.. and Mozart." - Howard Zinn
Parrek
Profile Joined May 2016
United States893 Posts
November 05 2018 08:48 GMT
#169
On November 05 2018 04:02 KR_4EVR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2018 00:25 terribleplayer1 wrote:
I can't believe people are still hating on Serral, most of the arguments are pretty shit and have been debunked.


On this patch Serral is absolutely the best player in the world, and the best player of 2018, it's unfortunate Maru had sOs -> Stats on his bracket so I figured the chances he'd get by was low (I was still expecting him to make it), but even if he did make it, I don't think Maru would stand any chance, you can sort of see how it'd play out by looking at Maru's TvZ's and Serral's ZvT.

Serral is 18-0 vs T this patch on offline games, including an absolute stomp over inno 3-0, and 1-0 over Maru, Inno went 6-1 vs Rogue, a week before Serral decimated him, uThermal vs Reynor is pretty even, and Reynor gave Maru a hard time, uThermal vs Serral hasn't been close in a while.

The most telling thing about Serral isn't even the insane stats, such as 6 Premiers in a row, highest winrate vs koreans out of anyone in 2018... but...... how he is actually winning, watch the god damn games, he is stomping koreans playing standard, while they try to throw weird shit at him, it's actually the inverse KR vs non-kr scenario.


Serral has not yet proved he can beat a top Korean Terran. He beat Innovation at a time when Inno was at his low, but has not faced Gumiho, TY, or Maru.

Yes, he is undeniably the best in the world right now. But he hasn't yet shown the tier of ZvT we want to see.

Edit: That's why I was looking forward to Blizzcon. I hoped that TY would beat Rogue and Maru would Finals so that we could see at least one of Serral v. TY or Serral v. Maru.

Thanks to Maru's bad choices and TY's dumb luck vs Rogue, neither happened. Honestly I almost gave up watching the Finals, another boring ZvP until Stats turned the fire back on in game 4 and 5.


Part of why I personally believe Serral would win is because in his match vs Innovation we saw some great things. For example, in one game he held 4-5 hellions and a reaper with no queens and ~ 10 lings because he just spread them perfectly. So well it almost looked like he intentionally baited innovation in so he could kill them. I had never seen a Zerg do that before. There's just no room for Inno to do anything about that except just not attack.
RaidenSC2
Profile Joined September 2018
3 Posts
November 13 2018 11:57 GMT
#170
Was about time to change this Korean dominance, yes they are good and have trained a lot, but its not only them and Im sure they can see it now.
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