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Shathe
Profile Joined July 2017
Hungary422 Posts
October 16 2018 09:10 GMT
#21
Zest had a great year compared to the last, but from the most achieved protoss people still want more. I think he showed great games in GSL pretty nice runs, good consisteny, but the rest of the tournament he wasnt good enough (ok he won masters coliseum).

If it wasnt for his PvZ and Maru, i think he would have had a very sucessful year.

- IEM Pyeongchang: Loses to Elazer (Zerg)
- IEM Katowice loses to most zergs in his group, fails to advance
- GSL S1 loses to Dark (zerg)
- GSL 2,3 loses to Maru
- HSC loses to Solar (zerg)



In blizzcon i cant see him beating Serral and/or Maru.

Serral is way too clean for Zest's worst matchup, and Maru's style straight out counters Zest's.
Any other opponent i give him at least 50% chance to advance (maybe except Dark).
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 16 2018 09:46 GMT
#22
On October 16 2018 07:46 tennisl wrote:
Zest has a shot if he avoids Maru

No way, he could die to so many zergs imo.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 16 2018 09:52 GMT
#23
On October 16 2018 18:46 Musicus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2018 07:46 tennisl wrote:
Zest has a shot if he avoids Maru

No way, he could die to so many zergs imo.


He's done a lot of work on the matchup in recent months, it's definitely nowhere near as weak as it used to be. But I'd give any EU zerg a decent chance against KR protoss. They're far more abusive than their KR counterparts and lots of KR protoss don't really get the right practice against their styles.
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Dave4
Profile Joined August 2018
494 Posts
October 16 2018 11:30 GMT
#24
Hi! First of all, go Wooki, big fan.

It's great to see that this article finally has some acknowledgement of the impact that the loss of teamhouses has had in Korea. I totally agree that without the support, love and preparation from teammates, without meal preparation or coaching, most Korean players are in a more difficult environment now.

Maru and JAGW players of course don't have this issue and therefore have a significant advantage, which partly can explain Rogue and Maru's spikes in performance recently.

I certainly hope Zest pulls it out - one of my most favourite players for sure.
chezwang
Profile Joined October 2018
3 Posts
October 17 2018 08:50 GMT
#25
what is LR poster?
could anyone explain to me
DBooN
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2727 Posts
October 17 2018 10:45 GMT
#26
On October 17 2018 17:50 chezwang wrote:
what is LR poster?
could anyone explain to me

LR means Live Report (thread), so it means posters in the tournament threads here on teamliquid.
Plopus
Profile Joined November 2014
Switzerland112 Posts
October 20 2018 09:14 GMT
#27
On October 16 2018 20:30 Dave4 wrote:
Hi! First of all, go Wooki, big fan.

It's great to see that this article finally has some acknowledgement of the impact that the loss of teamhouses has had in Korea. I totally agree that without the support, love and preparation from teammates, without meal preparation or coaching, most Korean players are in a more difficult environment now.

Maru and JAGW players of course don't have this issue and therefore have a significant advantage, which partly can explain Rogue and Maru's spikes in performance recently.


I think you forgot Creator, cure and Trap whom are doing a great job at the moment, especially in online tournaments.
Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10081 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-10-21 14:53:44
October 21 2018 14:53 GMT
#28
nice read! imo he could make it pass the group stage but beyond that... idk kev
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
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