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On June 25 2018 05:39 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2018 02:54 Fango wrote:On June 24 2018 18:09 neutralrobot wrote:On June 24 2018 17:43 pvsnp wrote:
Personally, I'm curious whether Maru slumps after this. After he won GSL S1, he went through a brief slump (Super Tournament, then S2 Ro32 and Ro16 were not super impressive) but quickly reasserted himself as the best player. Now that he's won GSL S2 and equaled Nestea, will he go through a longer slump?
Maru openly admitted that he was feeling tired and overworked when Gyuri asked him about the burden of representing Korea (in the Asian Games) on top of playing in GSL. He's kept his focus and discipline through two consecutive seasons of GSL. That kind of prolonged training can't be easy. Would it really be a shock if he took a well-deserved break? But what would happen to his form?
Something worth keeping an eye on, at least. I think I mentioned it before, but my feeling this season of GSL was that he took the foot off the accelerator during the group stages. Basically, I thought he was pacing himself so that he could be recharged enough to kick back into beast mode during the playoffs. I'd look to see him do something similar this season. It feels like he's gotten smart about managing himself so he doesn't suddenly crash from overworking. But we'll see. Edit: Of course, this almost saw him lose some games against players that shouldn't have been able to best him, like Zanster. It's a dangerous thing to do, but his general level of play has been good enough for him to get away with it so far. I think he's got another season in him. Well he never actually games to Zanster. He went 4-0 in the ro32, and 4-1 in the ro16 (losing one game to Patience). While he didn't look quite as solid in groups as in the playoffs, he really didn't need to be. He played well enough to beat everyone he needed to. As far as playing in the Asian games goes, he should be able to slack of and still win the event. The competition is weaker than NA ladder That's exactly why I was saying we should keep an eye on him. How hard is Maru going to practice for GSL now that he's just won two in a row? The Asian Games are are walk in the park and Maru was already complaining about his workload, so I wouldn't be surprised if he took a break for Season 3. Imo the only reason Maru stepped it up in the Ro8 was because he knew it would take everything he had to beat Rogue. After that he was in the semis and a little more effort would get him the trophy, so he buckled down and kept going. Now he's won, he can finally rest. Will he?
Yeah, I guess I just meant that it seemed like Maru used to have a tendency to peak and then crash, but I think he's found a place where he can rest "just enough" until it's time to go full throttle again. Like, I get the sense that he's found a balance where he doesn't fully burn out. I think he probably has energy management strategies that are more sustainable.
But I guess we'll find out soon-ish! As a Maru fan who was wondering where his spark had gone for a while, I'm pretty excited about his form these days. Looking forward to seeing how next season goes.
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I'm still laughing with what Artosis said, Maru is speed-running the GSL Code S Finals, Congratss! JinAir Maru.
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On June 24 2018 07:27 Vincenzo wrote:
Now everyone is like “Maru God”, “Maru bonjwa” blabla.... I want to remember how he won his last 3 finals.
The WESG against Dark was exploiting the raven late game use when it was clearly imba.
The GSL S1 2018 was a win against a Stats that was clearly nervous as in a normal Stats day. with his solid defense, if it had gone in Maru’s favor it would have been a 4-3. The GSL S1 finals remembered me a lot the Inno-Stats 4-0 finals of the IEM of last year whereas the type of games in the TY-Stats finals of Katowice 2017, was what I would have expected of a Stats at his level.
The GSL S2 2018 against a Zest that played horrible (I don’t think Zest understands yet how he manage to win against TY)
All in all, even if the results say the opposite I don’t think Maru is clearly better than TY, Rogue or Serral. Notice the 2 games that passed the 10-15min Rogue won (a Bo5 is not enough to discriminate among two evenly matched players) or the finals of the WESG against TY where TY won him 4-3. I like Maru’s style and probably he is now top3/5 but the "luck/situational component" of his wins should not be forgotten.
There are some valid points here individually, but it falls apart overall.
Rogue could definitely beat Maru in a BO7—those two are close. And since Maru has skirted major TvT tests so far, I'd be very intrigued by seeing him face TY. Serral, though... I'm not buying that one, esp after the beatdown at WESG.
Here's my big problem with your argument: the format of StarCraft tournaments means it's almost impossible for the champ to have to face the #1 match-up player of all three races on their way to the title. You can basically pick apart any champion's run the way you nitpicked Maru. However, in reality, Maru actually had an incredibly impressive run when you think about the usual GSL championship path. He didn't just play "very good" players 2/3 of the vs T matchups, he beat the undisputed #1 players in ZvT (Rogue) and ZvP (Classic), which is incredibly rare. Zest getting crushed in the finals isn't Zest being weak—it's the natural capstone in a historically good run.
Also, when everyone mysteriously falls apart against you across multiple finals, then maybe it's not just a 'mystery' and something you're doing right.
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On June 25 2018 22:02 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 07:27 Vincenzo wrote:
Now everyone is like “Maru God”, “Maru bonjwa” blabla.... I want to remember how he won his last 3 finals.
The WESG against Dark was exploiting the raven late game use when it was clearly imba.
The GSL S1 2018 was a win against a Stats that was clearly nervous as in a normal Stats day. with his solid defense, if it had gone in Maru’s favor it would have been a 4-3. The GSL S1 finals remembered me a lot the Inno-Stats 4-0 finals of the IEM of last year whereas the type of games in the TY-Stats finals of Katowice 2017, was what I would have expected of a Stats at his level.
The GSL S2 2018 against a Zest that played horrible (I don’t think Zest understands yet how he manage to win against TY)
All in all, even if the results say the opposite I don’t think Maru is clearly better than TY, Rogue or Serral. Notice the 2 games that passed the 10-15min Rogue won (a Bo5 is not enough to discriminate among two evenly matched players) or the finals of the WESG against TY where TY won him 4-3. I like Maru’s style and probably he is now top3/5 but the "luck/situational component" of his wins should not be forgotten.
There are some valid points here individually, but it falls apart overall. Rogue could definitely beat Maru in a BO7—those two are close. And since Maru has skirted major TvT tests so far, I'd be very intrigued by seeing him face TY. Serral, though... I'm not buying that one, esp after the beatdown at WESG. Here's my big problem with your argument: the format of StarCraft tournaments means it's almost impossible for the champ to have to face the #1 match-up player of all three races on their way to the title. You can basically pick apart any champion's run the way you nitpicked Maru. However, in reality, Maru actually had an incredibly impressive run when you think about the usual GSL championship path. He didn't just play "very good" players 2/3 of the vs T matchups, he beat the undisputed #1 players in ZvT (Rogue) and ZvP (Classic), which is incredibly rare. Zest getting crushed in the finals isn't Zest being weak—it's the natural capstone in a historically good run. Also, when everyone mysteriously falls apart against you across multiple finals, then maybe it's not just a 'mystery' and something you're doing right.
these are some great points.
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HELL YEAH!!!!!
MARU SILENCES THE HATERS YET AGAIN
what a beast
edit: reads thread EW why are there haters still? grosssssss
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just watched the vods. I think that was the most one sided finals Ive ever seen, and to think that It was against a players of zest's caliber to. I don't think Ive ever seen any terran seem as dominant in tvp as maru seems, the gap between him and everyone else is unreal.
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On June 24 2018 18:36 `dunedain wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 18:16 Alabasern wrote:
That finals was like Goku vs. Mr. Satan. Oh! That explains everything! Zest probably had a stomach ache!
The crowd on Zest's side too is just like Dragon Ball Super Episode 15 – Make a Miracle, Satan the Hero! A Challenge from Outer Space!
On June 24 2018 19:00 bObA wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2018 18:16 Alabasern wrote:
That finals was like Goku vs. Mr. Satan. Hahaha
Poor Goku must've hurt Zest's pride and made him weak in the knees!
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On June 23 2018 19:58 Djentleman2414 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 23 2018 19:51 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
Zest was unable to impose his game plan on Maru, and was left playing catch-up in all four games. That was the most impressive part... Only the 4th game was close and it is even a bigger testament to Marus skill, that he came back in this game and defeated Zest, because in this game Maru had to play the catch-up game. oO
In my view it was even that in Game 4 Maru decided to not at all play the catch-up game. Killer instinct!
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On June 24 2018 07:27 Vincenzo wrote:
The WESG against Dark was exploiting the raven late game use when it was clearly imba.
I have no clue why people ever argued this. Dark won 3/4 games that went long in that series.
Out of the four games Maru won, only one were ravens even featured. He won two with proxy rax, one with classic marine pressure, and won weird battlemech game (admittedly he made ravens here, but this game was so bizarre I'm not sure what you can make of it).
Now you could make an argument for their GSL match, because Maru did actually win some games with ravens there. But attributing the WeSG series to ravens only make sense if you didn't actually watch the games.
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finally got to watch all the games. holy crap that was FAST! and haters still hating???? maybe instead of being so delusional the haters should watch the games. loooool wow. first three games were badly one sided. even in game 4 when zest threw everything he had at maru and it looked like maru was against the ropes, maru said NOPE.COM and fucking counter attacked and WON
as artosis said, maru was speed running the gsl finals. ggwp. looks like soo will never win a gsl with maru in the way 
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3 in a row coming up 
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I dont wanna take anything frfom maru but called it couple of years ago Terran broken
User was warned for this post
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On June 28 2018 14:41 NomaKasd wrote:
I dont wanna take anything frfom maru but called it couple of years ago Terran broken
Yeah right.
Looking at Rogue play and how much he won in a short span, Zerg must be broken too I guess.
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On June 28 2018 15:55 ValM wrote:Show nested quote +On June 28 2018 14:41 NomaKasd wrote:
I dont wanna take anything frfom maru but called it couple of years ago Terran broken Yeah right. Looking at Rogue play and how much he won in a short span, Zerg must be broken too I guess.
Very well said.
I like so much your signature buddy
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