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The Good, Bad, and Ugly of WCS Austin - Page 2

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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15928 Posts
June 08 2018 16:23 GMT
#21
On June 08 2018 19:08 LongShot27 wrote:
Wow, why anyone would want to work for the Psistorm asshole is beyond me

Yeah, I have no respect for that guy.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
June 08 2018 16:55 GMT
#22
The EU /NA gap that seemed closed in 2017 now looks wider than ever.
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-08 17:56:06
June 08 2018 17:54 GMT
#23
On June 08 2018 23:51 Powerfoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2018 23:01 neutralrobot wrote:
On June 08 2018 19:08 LongShot27 wrote:
Wow, why anyone would want to work for the Psistorm asshole is beyond me


I found that pretty surprising too. I can understand being unhappy if tournament participation cost a lot of money and it's just not financially sustainable. And I can understand being mad about it if it seems like people haven't taken it seriously and that's the reason for results that fall short.

But even taking these things into account, it seems weird to focus your anger on the results themselves. Maybe there's something I just don't understand here, but I think that it's unfair to expect things out of the players that might not really be up to them. Sometimes things don't go as planned. Even Koreans much higher on the totem pole than TRUE have sometimes been upset.


When PSISTORM signed TRUE and paid for him to start living and competing in America, TRUE was easily on a higher level than almost every foreigner and the only people in WCS that could compete with him were Polt, Hydra, and Neeb. Now, it's 2 years later, Polt and Hydra have retired, and it's a struggle for him to even achieve top 8. I would be angry too if I was the team owner, but yeah it's not a good idea to complain about it on Twitter.


disagree with a lot of this. while trues initial instant championship run and the story behind it were a miracle, i wouldnt say that he was on a higher level than almost every foreigner back then. true just has a very distinct aggressive style that gets worse the more known you are and as it was just a 32 player single elim bracket back then, he could breeze through it before anyone was able to adjust. also amazing that for example welmu made top 8 while showtime was eliminated in the ro32 by heromarine, says something about the overall tournament / system, doesnt it!?

besides, he still made top 4 in 3 out of 4 wcs events last year. he also made top 8 in leipzig, only getting eliminated by an on fire showtime. i dont see how he "struggles to even achieve top 8" just because he failed to that at this event vs a lambo who played very well and came prepared.

overall i dont think true became worse or anything, people are just more familiar with his style. he also still qualified for gsl (where he lost to sOs and solar, no shame in that and not worse than in previous years) as well as the super tournament (where he lost 2-3 to dark in the ro8, not bad, is it!?), so i think people are exaggerating, maybe because of the korean in foreigner tournaments stigma.
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 08 2018 18:13 GMT
#24
TRUE has definitely fallen off. Whether he got worse or people around him better is just semantics. There's no way old TRUE would be anything but the favorite to win any foreigner event.

Nice writeup.
I think esports is pretty nice.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 08 2018 19:29 GMT
#25
Fun article.

There doesn't seem to be any reason other than shear probability for why this tournament turned out so surprisingly, but hopefully some of these trends stick.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15928 Posts
June 08 2018 19:32 GMT
#26
On June 09 2018 03:13 Saechiis wrote:
TRUE has definitely fallen off. Whether he got worse or people around him better is just semantics. There's no way old TRUE would be anything but the favorite to win any foreigner event.

Nice writeup.

a good team owner would stand behind the player and motivate him to do better and not publicly shit on him once he starts performing worse.
Players aren't machines who consistently perform at their peak level even if they want to.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
LambtrOn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States671 Posts
June 08 2018 20:45 GMT
#27
This tournament was the first one I've watched since returning where I had a good grasp on the players and meta. I don't know why I left this game. It's just simply the best. This Serral guy is pretty good...
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 08 2018 20:49 GMT
#28
Did I miss it or so many zergs isn't under the bad?
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Yo_Man
Profile Joined May 2017
43 Posts
June 08 2018 20:53 GMT
#29
nice article thanks !
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
June 08 2018 21:02 GMT
#30
Also how do i turn off the autoplay of clips? Somehow I am blind and cannot see this and it annoys me
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 08 2018 21:30 GMT
#31
On June 09 2018 05:49 deacon.frost wrote:
Did I miss it or so many zergs isn't under the bad?


This is a news article, and understandably focuses on things that are actually news.
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
June 08 2018 21:55 GMT
#32
On June 09 2018 00:45 hexhaven wrote:
#torille

please no
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
June 08 2018 21:57 GMT
#33
Really glad to see MaNa and Lambo going beyond expectations, it was definitely the highlight of the year when MaNa was up 2-1 in the finals against Serral.

Disappointed to not have seen more of Scarlett, that was definitely a tilting series against Nerchio.
Kurao
Profile Joined April 2018
215 Posts
June 08 2018 21:59 GMT
#34
On June 09 2018 05:45 LambtrOn wrote:
This tournament was the first one I've watched since returning where I had a good grasp on the players and meta. I don't know why I left this game. It's just simply the best. This Serral guy is pretty good...

Yeah, many say he's the best foreigner of all time, which is quite a statement; but then again no one can win against him in the west so that's got to have truth, right?
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 08 2018 22:40 GMT
#35
On June 09 2018 06:59 Kurao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 05:45 LambtrOn wrote:
This tournament was the first one I've watched since returning where I had a good grasp on the players and meta. I don't know why I left this game. It's just simply the best. This Serral guy is pretty good...

Yeah, many say he's the best foreigner of all time, which is quite a statement; but then again no one can win against him in the west so that's got to have truth, right?


I still think he has to get a title from a tournament where there are GSL players first. I still rate Stephano higher than him, but he is definitely climbing up there. Would be sick to see him take Blizzcon.
RPR_Tempest
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Australia7798 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 05:40:07
June 09 2018 05:38 GMT
#36
No mention of DreamHack arbitrarily changing their rules at the last second and screwing players out of getting to play?

Like Yours from Australia who spent $2,000 of his own money to travel to DreamHack, was at the VERY TOP of the waiting list yet wasn't inserted into the tournament when people dropped out because they decided to change the rules and individually pick and choose who to let into the tournament? The double standards of letting a pro gamer like Stephano in the tournament (who wasn't even close to the top of the waiting list) while some random NA player not on a team or not with any tournament performances let in over Yours?

No mention of blunders like Seither being up 1-0 over TRUE before the admins told them to stop the series and changed the brackets?

That's something that should definitely be in the Ugly category. The tournament was run terribly and other than a single Reddit thread, there's been no kind of acknowledgement or apology from the DreamHack admins.
Soundwave, Zerg player from Canberra, Australia. @SoundwaveSC
RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
June 09 2018 06:58 GMT
#37
Special: 0-6 in semi-finals.

Surely there must be a term for it, right? Prince Kong? Kong-before-Kong?

But in all seriousness, I feel sad for Special. He deserves a win, not just a finalist appearance. He seems to excel better with more preparation, so perhaps it's a pity that foreign tournaments all tend to be weekenders. Hopefully he makes his breakthrough in GSL soon!
gg no re thx
phodacbiet
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1740 Posts
June 09 2018 07:28 GMT
#38
On June 09 2018 15:58 RKC wrote:
Special: 0-6 in semi-finals.

Surely there must be a term for it, right? Prince Kong? Kong-before-Kong?

But in all seriousness, I feel sad for Special. He deserves a win, not just a finalist appearance. He seems to excel better with more preparation, so perhaps it's a pity that foreign tournaments all tend to be weekenders. Hopefully he makes his breakthrough in GSL soon!


MajOr Kong.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-06-09 08:23:18
June 09 2018 08:22 GMT
#39
On June 09 2018 16:28 phodacbiet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 15:58 RKC wrote:
Special: 0-6 in semi-finals.

Surely there must be a term for it, right? Prince Kong? Kong-before-Kong?

But in all seriousness, I feel sad for Special. He deserves a win, not just a finalist appearance. He seems to excel better with more preparation, so perhaps it's a pity that foreign tournaments all tend to be weekenders. Hopefully he makes his breakthrough in GSL soon!


MajOr Kong.

More like Junior Kong

maybe some LATAM fans could chip in with a Spanish meme/joke?
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
June 09 2018 09:10 GMT
#40
On June 09 2018 04:32 Charoisaur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2018 03:13 Saechiis wrote:
TRUE has definitely fallen off. Whether he got worse or people around him better is just semantics. There's no way old TRUE would be anything but the favorite to win any foreigner event.

Nice writeup.

a good team owner would stand behind the player and motivate him to do better and not publicly shit on him once he starts performing worse.
Players aren't machines who consistently perform at their peak level even if they want to.


And it's almost like you can just not sign him to a new contract when the current one expires instead of shit talking
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
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