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On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore? Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind. I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form.
A GSL Ro16 still means something, unlike a GSL Ro32.
That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last.
Scarlett is being overhyped as usual (which happens to all popular players, not just Scarlett).
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On January 27 2018 01:36 VengefulTree wrote:
tfw you beat Rogue out of the gsl but still get placed below Kelazhur XD
(I love Kela, but come on)
So what?
It's a bo3 in ZvZ. MMA beat Rogue as well recently (albeit online whereas Scarlett was offline in an important tournament, I'd give you that), I don't think Rogue is as good as he was during Blizzcon right now.
She has had a good performance in GSL but from what I read from the PR (didn't check their facts tho), Kelazhur had a better 2017 than Scarlett.
It's great if she tries hard to qualify for Blizzcon this year tho, and I hope she'll go to at least ro8 in the GSL.
Plus #8 and #10 are close ranks so it's not that absurd.
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On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:
Scarlett is being overhyped as usual (which happens to all popular players, not just Scarlett).
But some more than others.
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Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral.
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On January 27 2018 03:28 iamho wrote:
Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral.
Neeb's is almost certainly stronger. You could put her as high as 3rd but Serral and Neeb are almost certainly higher
Gonna strike that out after that group. 10th might have been too high :/
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With how her last few months have been going and how her bracket and the games were, I really don't put much weight on the results of her group. I think y'all are CRAZY thinking she should have been below #10 in this list.
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France13022 Posts
Honestly with the new maps the top 30 looks really stacked and that's nice to see 
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Groups results show that this Power Rank was just right...
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On January 27 2018 03:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 03:28 iamho wrote:
Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral. Neeb's is almost certainly stronger. You could put her as high as 3rd but Serral and Neeb are almost certainly higher Gonna strike that out after that group. 10th might have been too high :/
It wasn't hard to see coming. Scarlett as a foreigner is very good, but she's at her strongest when she has good ZvP and especially ZvT, where as her ZvZ has always been coinflippy. Recently she's certainly been good, but her ZvP and ZvT have slipped, making her rely on her ZvZ. It worked for a while and she found good upsets, but ZvZ is not a matchup you're going to be able to rely on forever. WCS zergs are just too good at the matchup for anyone to be truly dominant.
Hell, even soO lost out of GSL to ZvZ, and lost blizzcon finals to it, and he's maybe an all-time GOAT at the matchup.
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This is a great power ranking, especially as I don't follow the scene as much anymore. Pumped to see how it will turn out.
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This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.
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France13022 Posts
ShoWTimE was as good as Serral on ladder even in 2017 but he seems to only just now gain back his 2016 form
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Canada2764 Posts
On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.
Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then.
ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/
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On January 28 2018 23:20 Soularion wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank. Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then. ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/
are you going to write an article about how Kelazhur isn't good on other patches?
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Canada2764 Posts
On January 29 2018 01:29 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2018 23:20 Soularion wrote:On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank. Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then. ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/ are you going to write an article about how Kelazhur isn't good on other patches?
yeah it'll come out right after the article about how ptitdrogo is bad on other patches
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#3 in final with #11
& it was the #11 that took out #1
SC2 is not luck and whatever balance the races has at the moment it less then tiers, only very good players beat other very good players.
Good and bad days, goals, life in general, mood and what else makes ous all human doesn't permit every player to always do same performance each time.
Lets focus on support and cheer for the players we like nomatter result, it not a favour to ourselfs or the players we like to try put other players down.
Peace, Love and Understanding
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On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore? Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind. I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form. That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last.
Ryung did reach the ro4 that season. Although his TvT carried him there it's still a strong result. If Scarlett reached the ro4 it would be historic.
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Hypothetically speaking, if Avilo went to Leipzig, what would his ranking be?
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On January 29 2018 09:44 Fango wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore? Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind. I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form. That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last. Ryung did reach the ro4 that season. Although his TvT carried him there it's still a strong result. If Scarlett reached the ro4 it would be historic.
All of that is true.
Ryung had some fantastic luck though. He advanced from the Ro32 by defeating Byun, was placed in the Group of Death, got switched for Inno to create the nastiest Group of Death since THE Group of Death, switched into herO's group (the easiest by far, in case that wasn't obvious from herO), advanced in second, and defeated Maru before Stats finally ended his run. One miracle run, and then all downhill for the rest of 2017.
All due respect to Ryung, but he didn't belong in the Ro4. There was basically only one way Ryung could have made it that far, and he was lucky enough to find the magic bullet. To put it into perspective, here's a list of all the players that made the Ro4 in 2017:
soO
sOs
Stats
Gumiho
Maru
Classic
INnoVation
Dark
........and at the end of this storied roster of SC2 legends, every single one a champion in their own right, we have Ryung. Talk about bracket luck.
If Scarlett, by hook or crook or subterfuge, manages to duplicate that feat, it truly would be historic.
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On January 29 2018 10:16 Loccstana wrote:
Hypothetically speaking, if Avilo went to Leipzig, what would his ranking be?
80
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