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Power Rank: WCS Leipzig 2018

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January 25th, 2018 20:16 GMT

Written by: Soularion.

Editor's note: For over a decade, the TeamLiquid.net power ranks have delighted and enraged the StarCraft community. Though the rank has often been determined by committee, this has not always been the case. For WCS Leipzig, the first stop of the WCS 2018 circuit, we return the power rank to the hands of an individual. Soularion, take it away!

#37: (Z)Yours

As one of the two players with a <50% career win rate to qualify for WCS Leipzig, Yours won his seed from the Oceania region after Seither canceled his participation. His biggest offline upset is a 2-1 over Blysk. Something tells me he won't get particularly far.

#36: (Z)GogojOey

GogojOey shares the honor of having a <50% career winrate with Yours, but differentiated himself by qualifying for Leipzig without needing another player to forfeit. Joey beat Has 3-2 in his first ever offline event (the Taiwan/Hong Kong/Japan/Macau qualifier) to secure his spot. While he's gotten a couple of alright online upsets in his time (iaguz, Nice), getting 4-0'd by Nice in the qualifier keeps him snugly at the bottom.

#35: (T)Optimus

To call Optimus a rising star may be slightly optimistic, but he certainly took a few steps to finding himself over the course of 2017. He beat Zanster and played Serral competitively at WCS Austin, played well against Harstem and TRUE at Valencia, and beat Snute at the TING Open. Still, his lack of any significant offline upsets (so far) and online inconsistency earn him a low ranking.

#34: (P)Cyan

Cyan's always occupied an odd spot in the Chinese scene, never irrelevant but never a consistent contender either. Recent times haven't been particularly kind to him, as he fell out of GPL Season 4 to TooDming and hasn't exactly seemed dominant online either. We’ll give him some benefit of the doubt: His last Western matchups offline have shown him beating both Kelazhur and Scarlett in tight, extended sets.

#33: (T)XY

Even in the Chinese scene, XY is an enigma. Not only has he been around forever, being a staple contender in the scene since 2012, but he's been remarkably consistent the entire way. Yet, he's still never seemed dominant, unlike Jim, XiGua or even TooDming. Part of this has been due to his inability to rise when it comes to journeying west, never making it to a major circuit event since WCS Spring 2016.

#32: (P)Rail

Rail is almost impossible to predict. This is his absolute first WCS event (though he’s played in many DreamHacks), and he has as many good wins over the past few months as he has poor ones. His two offline events recently saw him beat Reynor, play against Probe decently, and then get 3-0'd by Minato. Who can really say how well Rail will do?

#31: (P)Nice

Nice is rising, guys. Originally considered a player who was only around due to a fortuitous second seed given to the Taiwan/Hong Kong/Japan/Macau region, Nice has actually started to dominate domestically. Not only that, but his few bouts with players from other regions have seen him go 3-3 against Hurricane in GSL qualifiers as well as play Snute closely in OSC Masters. It's difficult to say if he's anywhere near good enough to play well at a WCS event—his two prior outings featured losses to Arctur, Jig and NoRegreT—but he's certainly been in good form recently. Nice, man.

#30: (Z)Lambo

The European scene has been a bloodbath for years, and the current 'mid-tier' of European players might be the most volatile class ever. Lambo showed potential last year, even winning a series against SpeCial at WCS Austin. However, with his disappointing result at WESG (losing to DeMusliM and Majestic) and consistent inconsistency at WCS events, Lambo earns a low spot.

#29: (P)MaNa

If there's one word to use to describe MaNa, ‘resilient’ may be it. Being a long-time veteran means that he's faced plenty of turmoil, but unlike most, he's overcome it quite well, even making a famous WCS finals run. LotV hasn't been kind to MaNa, however. Despite being a solid match for mid-tier players, he's routinely routed by the WCS Circuit’s elite players.

#28: (T)souL

'European Terran' may be the most mocked region/race combination in StarCraft (aside from American anything until Neeb came along). The Euro-Terrans might have hit a new low in 2017. With MarineLorD and Bunny effectively leaving the scene and uThermal having a poor year, the future was briefly left in the hands of players such as souL and HeRoMaRinE. It may have worked out for the better. souL had a couple consistent tournaments, beating Cham at Valencia and Probe at Montreal, and now might be the time for a breakout performance.

#27: (Z)Stephano

It's been an interesting road back for the Best Foreigner Ever. On one hand, his results haven't been half bad, but on the other hand they fall apart the more they're scrutinized. Sure, he might be playing solidly, but whenever he faces elite competition he's tended to crumble. The best offline upset he's gotten since returning was a 2-0 over Harstem, and it's difficult to rate him highly when he hasn't actively punched above his weight class.

#26: (Z)Guru

Of all the players on this list, Guru may have had the most ridiculous debut of them all—at the 2016 Spring Championship, he eliminated Snute and took a 2-0 lead on eventual champion ShoWTimE before being reverse-swept. This is Guru’s first time returning to WCS since that event. Lately, he beat uThermal and Neeb at HomeStory Cup, only to lose to Harstem. Seriously, how do you rank this guy?

#25: (P)PtitDrogo

How did it come to this? Last DreamHack Leipzig, PtitDrogo was a champion. Now he's getting eliminated by PiLiPiLi and looking like a mess. He still gets a fair share of decent online results, but with such painful failures fresh in one's memory, PtitDrogo may be the most motivated out of anyone to get off to a fresh start in 2018.

#24: (T)HeRoMaRinE

The second bannerman of the European Terrans after souL, HeRoMaRinE now stands as one of the most experienced Terran players in the scene. His recent form is quite questionable, featuring big losses to the likes of Harstem, DnS, Stephano and Clem. However, for his semi-final finish in his last WCS event (the 2016 Summer Championship), he earns some leeway.

#23: (Z)TLO

Ah, TLO. What a heartbreaking 2017 it was for Team Liquid's captain. Not only did it feature encounter after crushing encounter with Neeb, but it was capped off by a brutal thrashing by Has at Montreal that prevented him from exiting the group stages for the entire year. His form against top players is inconsistent, as it has been forever. Plus, he lost to RotterdaM during the WCS Europe qualifiers, so that has to sting.

#22: (T)TIME

At long last, TIME rules the Chinese scene. Not only did he win GPL, but he also dominated Kung Fu Cup's SuperLeague with 4-0 sweeps over Has, Nice and TooDming. Close matches versus Neeb and a top three placing at WESG (over a largely-trolling Maru) mark TIME as a player to watch out for. However, his prior outings in WCS weren't particularly fruitful, and players from non-Korean Asian regions have historically struggled in WCS, which brings TIME’s rank down a tad.

#21: (Z)Zanster

Zanster's surprise trip to the GSL for qualifiers wasn't a success (he lost four Bo3s in a row, all 1-2), which capped off a pretty disappointing few months for him. Really, he's never lived up to his potential since his deep run in Season 3 of WCS 2015. While we've seen plenty of encouraging signs—his confident win over SpeCial in Montreal, actually winning a set vs Snute in November—they've always been undercut by disappointment. Perhaps if we keep our expectations for Zanster grounded, we might end up being surprised.

#20: (Z)JonSnow

With the American scene showing a significant resurgence in 2016, JonSnow remained one of the few notable players without a defining run. WCS Montreal provided plenty of opportunity, and he looked genuinely good in a tough group against uThermal and Harstem, but he narrowly lost out of a chance to really make a splash. On top of that, his domestic performances have slipped, featuring many narrowly avoided upsets and no big wins for him either. He gets the nod over Zanster and TLO mainly due to his good games at Montreal.

#19: (Z)Namshar

What's with Swedish Zergs and overperforming? Miniraiser may be the more dramatic example from the past, but Namshar’s quietly been building up quite a reputation. His recent wins against TRUE and Elazer at the IEM qualifiers add another notch to his belt. Of course, he just as easily lost to the unheralded Krr during WCS qualifiers. He gets the nod over JonSnow and Zanster due to coincidentally defeating them at Valencia, but it’s not much of a difference between the three.

#18: (Z)Bly

Bly, Bly, Bly. The one player you can absolutely never count out at any point. It was at Leipzig 2016 where he made one of his most memorable runs, shocking Hydra and viOLet to make it all the way to the finals. There’s always potential for a similar performance, for one of the most unpredictable strategists in the scene. For one, he beat ShoWTimE and SortOf during qualifiers, and his play at the IEM qualifiers wasn't half bad either. However, since DreamHack Leipzig 2016, he's also only won a single offline series against players who are placed higher than him on this ranking.

#17: (Z)SortOf

By this point, the excitement of 'Hey, SortOf is actually pretty good, guys' may have dulled a bit. SortOf didn’t make any huge runs in 2017, but it was clear that the Swedish Zerg had hit a patch legitimately good form. His qualification to Code S this year (despite going 1-6 against Maru) shows that perhaps he can continue that run of form this year. At the end of the day though, results are results: he lost in the group stage of WCS Montreal, went 1-4 in GSL, and went 0-6 in HomeStory Cup.

#16: (T)MaSa

MaSa is another player who can get into good form but never convert it into big results. On paper, he’s the same player he's always been: good domestic results, decent offline results, occasionally forcing Scarlett to work to earn her title of the best Canadian. At the same time, his best result last year was top 16 in WCS, where he lost 2-3 to Kelazhur and 0-3 to Elazer. It will take some match-up or bracket luck to take the next step forward.

#15: (P)Probe

Similar to Cham, Probe has steadily improved over the years and now represents a real threat from a historically weak region. He has a series of respectable runs last year (which put him in the top 16 of WCS), but he’s suffering from questionable form lately (losing to HuT and Has at WESG qualifiers). The difference between Cham and Probe is in consistency, and the fact that Probe lost their head-to-heads at WCS Austin and Cheeseadelphia. It's easy to predict Probe having some entertaining, tight matches against better players, but it's also easy to predict those players ultimately winning.

#14: (P)Harstem

“The Year of Harstem” is a meme that will never die, but it all paid off for Harstem in 2016 when he won a pair of championships in GPL and HomeStory Cup. He didn't do bad at the most recent two HomeStory Cups either, although it wasn’t too surprising that he went 1-12 against WCS Korea visitors ByuN and Impact. 2017’s WCS Montreal looked like an opportunity for him to finally break out in WCS as well, but he was unable to close out his 2-0 lead on Scarlett in the elimination round. He’s found himself right back where he's always been: on the verge of a breakthrough. But hey, he’s done it once—so you never know which tournament (or year) Harstem will finally make his very own.

#13: (Z)Cham

One of the most profoundly underrated players of last year, Cham racked up an impressive resume as a breakout player. He beat SpeCial at Copa America, beat Snute in a Bo5 at WCS Jönköping, and looked strong in defeat against Nerchio at WCS Montreal. Of course, it can be hard for an upstart player to keep momentum going, and Cham’s recent form hasn't been great. He got crushed by a combined 0-6 against Kelazhur and SpeCial—his regional rivals—during qualifiers, and lost the Cheesedelphia finals to Neeb pretty badly as well.

#12: (P)DnS

DnS is certainly the star of this ‘off-season.’ Technically, his rise began at WCS Montreal 2017, where he defeated Zanster and SpeCial on his road to the RO16. He continued to pick up steam in the TING Open, where he defeated the likes of Snute, Harstem, Scarlett and Neeb to win the entire online event. Beating any of those players would have been an upset, but DnS took out all of them in one shocking run. He didn't stop there either, going to GSL qualifiers and taking a set off of TY for good measure (he narrowly missed qualification). There’s something to be said about DnS' recent success being related to the design patch, but it's hard to argue against such an exceptional run of form.

#11: (P)ShoWTimE

As the first foreign champion of the revamped WCS system and BlizzCon quarterfinalist, ShoWTimE's 2017 came as an utter shock. Even though his gameplay was okay, his results slipped so drastically one would be forgiven for assuming he played badly as well. However, he's bounced back quite well recently, and he's managed to consistently win over players such as Nerchio and Namshar, so perhaps the consistent champion has returned to form. It'll be tough to believe until he performs offline again, which drags his ranking down when he'd probably be a bit higher off of online form.

#10: (Z)Scarlett

Scarlett's GSL endeavors finally paid off this year as she eliminated the reigning BlizzCon champion Rogue to advance to the Ro16. She’s looked great in the WCS qualifiers as well, taking out TRUE and Semper. Looking at her recent form, you get the sense that she may have finally figured out her long-time ZvZ issues, as she's gotten a series of good results in the matchup. So why isn't she higher ranked? She's gone 2-10 against Neeb in the new year, went 0-6 against SpeCial to end 2017, and has played few games against Europe's top tier. Considering that Scarlett topped out in the quarterfinals of WCS last year, it’s fair to start her at #10 in 2018.

#9: (T)Kelazhur

Kelazhur was last year's surprise competitor at the Global Finals, earning his spot with consistently high finishes throughout the year. Though he didn’t actually accomplish much at BlizzCon, it's hard to blame him considering his group. Since then, he hasn't exactly done much of note. He lost to JonSnow and Neeb at the “I Got DQ'd from PyeongChang Invitational,” got 7-1'd by SpeCial in the WCS regional qualifiers, and has only played in a few small online tournaments otherwise. While his current form is a mystery, it would be unfair to rank him any lower given his consistency for all of last year.

#8: (T)uThermal

In 2016, uThermal came upon opportunity after opportunity, and he took advantage of them to win a championship. The success dried up in 2017, as he only made one quarterfinals and ended the year with two back to back group stage exits in WCS. So why is he still so high on the list? In the balancing act between past results and recent form, he deserves to be rewarded for the latter. In the new season, he's performed consistently well in online events, playing close matches with elite players such as Elazer and Serra while dominating those he ‘should’ beat. Considering he's qualified for all three major upcoming tournaments (WESG, WCS, and IEM WC—only Nerchio and Elazer have done the same) it's tough to hold 2017’s disappointment against him.

#7: (Z)TRUE

TRUE may silently be the most consistent player in the WCS circuit, an astonishing paradox considering his chaotic playstyle. He made the semifinals three times last year, and lost every time. On one hand, it's a testament to how good of a player he is mechanically to be able to consistently outplay more ‘honest’ players. On the other hand, it's an indictment of how he has hit a wall due to championship contenders catching onto his tricks. He's done little to nothing online either, aside from getting trashed by Scarlett in the WCS qualifiers, and looking inconsistent during IEM qualifiers. He gets the vote of confidence because of the five WCS events he's been to, he's only failed before the semifinals a single time.

#6: (Z)Snute

Snute’s WCS curse is real, and every tournament it hurts more than the last. It was bad enough when he ended a great 2015 season with a poor showing at BlizzCon. But since then, he's lost in the finals of two WCS circuit events, and has often played below the level he shows in other competitions. He certainly looked elite at HomeStory Cup XVI, crushing aLive and Impact before losing narrowly to Solar, which shines as the best overall result of his off-season. Snute seems to be a lock to keep contending for WCS circuit championships for the foreseeable future, and his unstoppable work ethic helps keep him at the top of this list.

#5: (Z)Nerchio

Where'd Nerchio go? Maybe his trash-talking grew stale, or maybe it’s just become less credible over the years. The player who was once the hottest foreigner on earth has now grown quite cold. It makes me very happy to realize that he's slowly begun warming up, putting together one of the better off-seasons in WCS. 4-kill in Shoutcraft November, getting deep in WESG qualifiers, crushing Snute to qualify for WCS, getting a stupidly hot run through IEM WC qualifiers—he's definitely on fire right now. Even the criticism of him losing back to back to Serral got erased, as he got his vengeance on his path to the IEM World Championships. Expect a real return to form for Nerchio here. Meaning, probably not a championship, but a close call.

#4: (T)SpeCial

It’s none other than the Hero of BlizzCon himself. SpeCial rebounding from a poor WCS Montreal to win against Stats and TY at BlizzCon might've been one of the bigger surprises of the whole year... But to tell you the truth, that would undersell his year as a whole. Not only was he one of the few foreigners who could tangle with Neeb (he was the only foreigner to win a BO5 against Neeb in 2017), but he routinely made deep runs in tournaments. He even had a great series with Stats at GSL vs the World, which might have portended his BlizzCon. SpeCial cruised to an easy qualification to Leipzig, dropping a grand total of one game. It's going to be extremely interesting to see if he can match, or even rise above, the expectations set of him after his BlizzCon upsets. It'd be tough to imagine, but then again, his rival Elazer's done all that and more.

#3: (Z)Serral

Serral is growing into the monster he's always been promised to be, and yet seems further away from the promised land than ever. We're seeing Serral at his best. We're seeing him tear apart the WESG qualifier, 5-1 Snute in IEM qualifiers, win 10 straight Bo1s somehow, go on a 14-0 streak in WCS, crush Maru and Creator in IEM WC qualifiers… And we still haven't seen a championship. It's the only thing missing. Serral has the prophecy, hanging over his head for years now, that he'd be one of the best foreigners to come. He has the skill. He has the ladder domination. He has the online domination. The only thing he needs to do now is step up and seize what is rightfully his, to raise that trophy to the sky; and it is the one thing that has consistently eluded him, as evidenced from his brutal loss to Neeb last year. It'd be incredibly easy to claim Serral as the hottest foreigner in the world right now, except for...

#2: (Z)Elazer

Elazer is insane. After eliminating Dark at BlizzCon, he went on a scorching run during the 2018 pre-season. He qualified for WESG over ShoWTimE, 5-0'd him again to qualify for IEM PyeongChang, swept through WCS qualifiers without dropping a set, and qualified for IEM WC with a huge win over Stats. He is the only foreigner to get through all four qualifiers, where few have even made three. And unlike contemporaries such as Snute or Nerchio, he doesn't have a bad 2016 weighing him down. Elazer is a champion in prime form, and with so many tournament opportunities the next couple months, he could easily as the best player outside Korea.

#1: (P)Neeb

But, at the end of the day, there's only one person who can sit at the top, and that's Neeb. Sure, he didn't make the Blizzcon playoffs. Sure, he's dropped games to other top players in online competition. And sure, he got embarrassed by DnS in the finals of the TING Open. But he's Neeb. He won three championships last year, including WCS Montreal, which was perhaps the most dominant domestic performance of any foreigner ever. And he only seems to be getting better. So what has he done now? Since his 3-4 loss to Nerchio in the Corsair Cup, he has gone on a 23 series winning streak. He's barely even dropped single games. Just look at the scorelines since: 3-0 JonSnow, 3-0 NoRegreT, 3-0 MaSa, 3-0 Scarlett, 3-0 Bly, 3-1 Scarlett, 4-1 Scarlett, 3-1 MaSa, 4-1 Cham. Have we ever seen a foreigner as dominant over his brethren as Neeb?


WCS Leipzig begins on Friday, Jan 26 3:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00). Tune in at wcs.starcraft2.com to watch Neeb and the best players of the WCS Circuit compete for the first major championship of the year!




Credits and Acknowledgements

Writer: Soularion
Editors: Wax, Hexhaven, Hushfield
Photo: Robert Paul
Digital art: Hushfield
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
January 25 2018 20:28 GMT
#2
I want Yours to win, because the amount of awful puns would be apocalyptic.
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Durnuu
Profile Joined September 2013
13319 Posts
January 25 2018 20:29 GMT
#3
But Serral has 10k MMR and is #1 on aligulac tho?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 25 2018 20:36 GMT
#4
My gut feeling is that we'll see an unexpected winner this WCS. New maps, not super stable matchups, first real weekend event of the year. Serral and Neeb and Elazer might still be favorites, but the odds of someone unexpected winning is greater than theirs, I feel.
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Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8988 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 20:44:59
January 25 2018 20:43 GMT
#5
On January 26 2018 05:28 intotheheart wrote:
I want Yours to win, because the amount of awful puns would be apocalyptic.


I want a Showtime-SortOf-Yours-Time round of 4

Yours-Soul-SortOf-Nice, GogoJoey-Yours-True-Cham or Yours-Nice-Cham-Nerchio would also be acceptable.

Nice article by the way, I personnaly would have rank DNS and Scarlett a bit higher and Kelazhur lower, but lets see.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
January 25 2018 20:46 GMT
#6
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 25 2018 20:49 GMT
#7
On January 26 2018 05:29 Durnuu wrote:
But Serral has 10k MMR and is #1 on aligulac tho?

He has a -3.5k MMR modifier for offline events and we all know he's going to disappoint us all by dropping out in the quarterfinals against Special or something.

Power rank seems pretty fair. While I could quibble about a few positions, the only big surprise for me was remembering about Kelazhur who completely dropped off the radar over the past few months. I only remember seeing him and high capacity fuel tanks once or twice since Blizzcon.
Aelendis
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium892 Posts
January 25 2018 21:11 GMT
#8
Thank you for this power rank! I'm so pumped for WCS!
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-25 21:20:09
January 25 2018 21:18 GMT
#9
Hyped for TIME, seeing him make the playoffs would be nice!

Neeb vs Elazer or Serral would be a dream final, but I am still hoping for a Nerchio win. Maybe vs Special?

Edit: Also good job! I can't really shit on this ranking :/.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
LTCM
Profile Joined May 2017
174 Posts
January 25 2018 21:19 GMT
#10
Dude, a 37 player long power ranking...thank you for putting in that much work. Great job.
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egrimm
Profile Joined September 2011
Poland1199 Posts
January 25 2018 21:31 GMT
#11
Fair PR good job
Obvious favourite is still Neeb ofc however the tournament will be played on new patch and especially new maps which may lead to crazy, unexpected games. I think this time it might be some Zerg - Elazer, Serral, Nerchio - who will win it all cheesing Neeb out. Also I see Bly getting far
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Swash91
Profile Joined June 2017
26 Posts
January 25 2018 21:57 GMT
#12
On January 26 2018 05:29 Durnuu wrote:
But Serral has 10k MMR and is #1 on aligulac tho?


Yeah high score vs non koreans
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
January 25 2018 22:03 GMT
#13
Yay! Can't wait. I can't wait to see Korea House play. Along with Neeb, Kelazhur, TIME and serral. Honestly, I'm huge fans of almost everyone on this list which is strange. But my hope still goes out to special <3
scoo2r
Profile Joined December 2015
Canada90 Posts
January 25 2018 22:04 GMT
#14
Scarlett top 5, that practice in Korea good.
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Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
January 25 2018 22:06 GMT
#15
(Z)Scarlett wins it all. Unless she has to play vs. (P)Neeb, (Z)Elazer, (Z)Serral, (T)MajOr, (Z)Snute or (Z)Nerchio.
sOs | Rogue | Maru | Trap | Scarlett | Snute | MC
TentativePanda
Profile Joined August 2014
United States800 Posts
January 25 2018 22:09 GMT
#16
On January 26 2018 07:06 Diabolique wrote:
(Z)Scarlett wins it all. Unless she has to play vs. (P)Neeb, (Z)Elazer, (Z)Serral, (T)MajOr, (Z)Snute or (Z)Nerchio.


Well, she's already in the same group as serral so... Lol
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
January 25 2018 22:23 GMT
#17
Scarlett wins it's all calling it now.
ok
Mike L
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany162 Posts
January 25 2018 22:40 GMT
#18
certainly she performed such a good results against koreans during last events and which is even more important she show us some of a high level playing, while doing good at GSL and being a capable to qualify on 3 out of 4 winter big tournaments i hope it will be good start to season for her
tantalus
Profile Joined June 2012
69 Posts
January 25 2018 22:52 GMT
#19
Not really sure where to ask something like this, but is there a reason we never see open bracket tournaments like this in Korea? Is it just a logistics thing or is that something that just never caught on in Korea?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
January 25 2018 22:56 GMT
#20
Wow 37 players, that must have been a pain to rank.

Seems fair enough though.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 25 2018 22:56 GMT
#21
On January 26 2018 07:40 Mike L wrote:
certainly she performed such a good results against koreans during last events and which is even more important she show us some of a high level playing, while doing good at GSL and being a capable to qualify on 3 out of 4 winter big tournaments i hope it will be good start to season for her


Scarletts results against koreans have always been good. She just loses all WCS events to ZvZ
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Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
January 25 2018 23:10 GMT
#22
#6: (Z)Snute
[...] But since then, he's lost in the finals of two WCS circuit events


he actually lost three WCS circuit event finals, 2 last year and the winter championship in 2016 to polt. i would really love for him to finally win one^^

nice article overall
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 25 2018 23:12 GMT
#23
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
January 25 2018 23:37 GMT
#24
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 25 2018 23:40 GMT
#25
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 25 2018 23:47 GMT
#26
On January 26 2018 08:37 iMrising wrote:
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents

Scarlett often gets fairly hard brackets. Uncharacteristically hard for her would be something else
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William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
January 25 2018 23:52 GMT
#27
On January 26 2018 08:37 iMrising wrote:
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents

I can see that result but I'm hoping for top finish.
ok
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4029 Posts
January 26 2018 00:02 GMT
#28
i expect scarlett to get to the ro16 or ro8 at the best
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 00:37:29
January 26 2018 00:35 GMT
#29
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
January 26 2018 00:38 GMT
#30
I expect Special or True taking it
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
January 26 2018 00:49 GMT
#31
On January 26 2018 06:57 Swash91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 05:29 Durnuu wrote:
But Serral has 10k MMR and is #1 on aligulac tho?


Yeah high score vs non koreans

So high score in Leipzig confirmed.
why even
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England896 Posts
January 26 2018 00:50 GMT
#32
We're seeing him tear apart the WESG qualifier, 5-1 Snute in IEM qualifiers, win 10 straight Bo1s somehow, go on a 14-0 streak in WCS, crush Maru and Creator in IEM WC qualifiers… And we still haven't seen a championship.


It really bothers me that people are still calling the WESG EU Regional Finals a 'qualifier'. Serral won $18k at an offline event (WCS 1st place is $20k) and we aren't calling that a championship? Come on :D

He qualified for WESG over ShoWTimE...


Don't think this is right, Elazer beat ShoWTimE in the third place match but both were qualified for WESG anyways.

Fun power ranking, have to disagree with a few of the positions but that's what opinions and judgement are! Well written snap-shots of the players leading into the event though
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 26 2018 02:57 GMT
#33
Serral for the win!
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EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 26 2018 04:10 GMT
#34
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4029 Posts
January 26 2018 05:15 GMT
#35
On January 26 2018 13:10 EnderSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.

or he hits any protoss lol
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 26 2018 05:55 GMT
#36
On January 26 2018 13:10 EnderSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.

MaSa is 3-27 vs Neeb since the start of 2017 outside of the two sets he won, both of which were pretty much back to back at Neeb's low point of the year iirc.

He did get some big wins vs TRUE at dh atlanta and cheesdelphia, then got swept by Elazer at WCS - so that's pretty much what you described.

He's 0-8 in his last 3 meeting vs Scarlett, too, and he's only played Cham twice (both in online Bo3s) since 2017 began, so that's just a low sample size. I wouldn't put him top 3 NA - Neeb/SpeCial/Scarlett are better than him, and maybe Cham too.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 26 2018 07:08 GMT
#37
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.
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FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
January 26 2018 07:15 GMT
#38
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Scarlett Protoss switch into winning WCS Leipzig confirmed.
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William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
January 26 2018 07:16 GMT
#39
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Ok that was funny.
ok
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 26 2018 07:41 GMT
#40
On January 26 2018 16:15 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Scarlett Protoss switch into winning WCS Leipzig confirmed.


Even if she switched to Protoss, she'd still have to win some PvZs a matchup which I heard is prone to luck over skill.
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 26 2018 07:54 GMT
#41
On January 26 2018 14:55 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 13:10 EnderSword wrote:
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.

MaSa is 3-27 vs Neeb since the start of 2017 outside of the two sets he won, both of which were pretty much back to back at Neeb's low point of the year iirc.

He did get some big wins vs TRUE at dh atlanta and cheesdelphia, then got swept by Elazer at WCS - so that's pretty much what you described.

He's 0-8 in his last 3 meeting vs Scarlett, too, and he's only played Cham twice (both in online Bo3s) since 2017 began, so that's just a low sample size. I wouldn't put him top 3 NA - Neeb/SpeCial/Scarlett are better than him, and maybe Cham too.


I think that's a weird way to Phase anything... he's 3-27 if we intentionally don't count the ones he won.. well, i guess?

He is 0-8 vs Scarlett very recently, mostly at one single tournament where he literally refused to stop trying to bunker low ground vs a Roach-Ravager all-in in 5 consecutive games. That one was kind of a mental block issue more than anything.

True and Cham, yeah at tournaments he's winning with low sample sizes, but I guess I've seen enough of him laddering with the two as well to know he's got a good 2/3rds of those matches too.

Special is kind of a debatable one, He's definitely in that conversation. At any given time in the last probably 3 years you can probably say the top Terran outside of Korea is one of those 2 guys, but I think they've alternated who is was throughout that. With uthermal and Kelazhur, they've occassionally been better vs Zerg, but I think lose the direct TvT.

We'll see how this plays out, especially on this relatively new patch, but I maintain he's strictly better than at least a few people ahead of him, and he really is one of only a very few people that is capable of upsetting neeb.

Despite losing to him 3-1 in Cheesadelphia, you have to acknowledge that 1 was the only map neeb lost in the tournament, except the one he just quit after cancelling his own Nexus by mistake.








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stakiman
Profile Joined May 2010
Bulgaria42 Posts
January 26 2018 09:19 GMT
#42
Thanks for this powerrank! Interesting read!
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hexhaven
Profile Joined July 2014
Finland926 Posts
January 26 2018 09:23 GMT
#43
On January 26 2018 07:52 tantalus wrote:
Not really sure where to ask something like this, but is there a reason we never see open bracket tournaments like this in Korea? Is it just a logistics thing or is that something that just never caught on in Korea?


The open brackets have been DreamHack's thing for years. In the olden days we used to have a good number of extra participants from the people who were there primarily for the LAN party.
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Jasper_Ty
Profile Joined July 2017
101 Posts
January 26 2018 09:48 GMT
#44
I think Snute should be ranked like 1-2 places lower otherwise seems good to me
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 26 2018 09:57 GMT
#45
I remember how pre-championship Neeb used to be this guy who everyone knew was really good but he couldn't deliver and had a reputation of a talented guy without a champion's mentality. Until he turned it around completely. I've got a feeling we might see the same thing from Serral this year.

Also, nice rank. I think Snute is a bit too high but otherwise I mostly agree with occasional 1-2 positions alternations.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
January 26 2018 09:58 GMT
#46
Yours is the most buff SC2 player since Slivko I wouldn't dare putting him last place in the rankings

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ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 16:55:05
January 26 2018 10:12 GMT
#47
Nerchio, Bly and Scarlett hype!!!!
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Uberfather
Profile Joined June 2017
272 Posts
January 26 2018 12:11 GMT
#48
I have neeb in first and major in 4th, and the rest of top 8 is all zerg. So the way i see it the player's strength vs zerg should be more impactful on the power rank. Snute is one of my favorite players and this last year got far when people weren't expecting much of him, so ill continue not expecting much and would put him 8th, with scarlet, since her zvz got powered up, and true ahead of him.
KatuStarcraft
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada161 Posts
January 26 2018 15:33 GMT
#49
Good read, thank you!
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
January 26 2018 15:43 GMT
#50
i agree with most but scarlett #10 is rofl

i'd probably have scarlett at like #3
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 16:10:09
January 26 2018 16:08 GMT
#51
wrong thread
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 16:18:18
January 26 2018 16:18 GMT
#52
On January 27 2018 00:43 travis wrote:
i agree with most but scarlett #10 is rofl

i'd probably have scarlett at like #3

She's yet to play against EU monster players that's why .
Beating EU's finest is not as easy as beating January 2018 Rogue in a mere bo3
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William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 16:35:53
January 26 2018 16:35 GMT
#53
On January 27 2018 01:18 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 00:43 travis wrote:
i agree with most but scarlett #10 is rofl

i'd probably have scarlett at like #3

She's yet to play against EU monster players that's why .
Beating EU's finest is not as easy as beating January 2018 Rogue in a mere bo3
yea but its SCARLETT so automatically she needs to be top 3.
ok
VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
January 26 2018 16:36 GMT
#54
tfw you beat Rogue out of the gsl but still get placed below Kelazhur XD

(I love Kela, but come on)
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alukarD
Profile Joined July 2012
Mexico396 Posts
January 26 2018 16:44 GMT
#55
Very rough ranking for MaNa.

I feel like Scarlett should be ranked higher, but great read you guys! Thank you.
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Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
January 26 2018 16:54 GMT
#56
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
January 26 2018 17:10 GMT
#57
On January 27 2018 01:36 VengefulTree wrote:
tfw you beat Rogue out of the gsl but still get placed below Kelazhur XD

(I love Kela, but come on)


maybe because kelazhur outperformed her for all of 2017!? nah, one bo3 is more important than that ))))))))
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YourFavoriteTerran
Profile Joined November 2017
33 Posts
January 26 2018 17:28 GMT
#58
Brutally hard to watch this tourney, I keep peeking in and the terrans are getting slaughtered as expected.
YourFavoriteTerran
Profile Joined November 2017
33 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 17:30:35
January 26 2018 17:30 GMT
#59
On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?


Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind.

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VengefulTree
Profile Joined May 2014
Canada637 Posts
January 26 2018 17:49 GMT
#60
On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?


Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind.


I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD

In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form.
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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 17:59:16
January 26 2018 17:56 GMT
#61
On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?


Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind.


I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD

In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form.

A GSL Ro16 still means something, unlike a GSL Ro32.

That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last.

Scarlett is being overhyped as usual (which happens to all popular players, not just Scarlett).
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 18:12:52
January 26 2018 18:12 GMT
#62
On January 27 2018 01:36 VengefulTree wrote:
tfw you beat Rogue out of the gsl but still get placed below Kelazhur XD

(I love Kela, but come on)

So what?
It's a bo3 in ZvZ. MMA beat Rogue as well recently (albeit online whereas Scarlett was offline in an important tournament, I'd give you that), I don't think Rogue is as good as he was during Blizzcon right now.
She has had a good performance in GSL but from what I read from the PR (didn't check their facts tho), Kelazhur had a better 2017 than Scarlett.

It's great if she tries hard to qualify for Blizzcon this year tho, and I hope she'll go to at least ro8 in the GSL.
Plus #8 and #10 are close ranks so it's not that absurd.
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10107 Posts
January 26 2018 18:18 GMT
#63
On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:
Scarlett is being overhyped as usual (which happens to all popular players, not just Scarlett).

But some more than others.
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
January 26 2018 18:28 GMT
#64
Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 20:31:40
January 26 2018 18:32 GMT
#65
On January 27 2018 03:28 iamho wrote:
Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral.

Neeb's is almost certainly stronger. You could put her as high as 3rd but Serral and Neeb are almost certainly higher

Gonna strike that out after that group. 10th might have been too high :/
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blunderfulguy
Profile Blog Joined April 2016
United States1415 Posts
January 26 2018 21:07 GMT
#66
With how her last few months have been going and how her bracket and the games were, I really don't put much weight on the results of her group. I think y'all are CRAZY thinking she should have been below #10 in this list.
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
January 26 2018 21:13 GMT
#67
Honestly with the new maps the top 30 looks really stacked and that's nice to see
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KaiserCommander
Profile Joined April 2010
Mexico290 Posts
January 26 2018 23:14 GMT
#68
Groups results show that this Power Rank was just right...
Jinro, Polt, Bomber, ForGG, MajOr, Flash, Maru. Terran Fighting...
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 27 2018 05:21 GMT
#69
On January 27 2018 03:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 03:28 iamho wrote:
Scarlett at #10? Her recent form seems to be the second strongest of all foreigners except Serral.

Neeb's is almost certainly stronger. You could put her as high as 3rd but Serral and Neeb are almost certainly higher

Gonna strike that out after that group. 10th might have been too high :/

It wasn't hard to see coming. Scarlett as a foreigner is very good, but she's at her strongest when she has good ZvP and especially ZvT, where as her ZvZ has always been coinflippy. Recently she's certainly been good, but her ZvP and ZvT have slipped, making her rely on her ZvZ. It worked for a while and she found good upsets, but ZvZ is not a matchup you're going to be able to rely on forever. WCS zergs are just too good at the matchup for anyone to be truly dominant.

Hell, even soO lost out of GSL to ZvZ, and lost blizzcon finals to it, and he's maybe an all-time GOAT at the matchup.
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Lockdown-
Profile Joined May 2003
United States290 Posts
January 27 2018 08:41 GMT
#70
This is a great power ranking, especially as I don't follow the scene as much anymore. Pumped to see how it will turn out.
Ciaus_Dronu
Profile Joined June 2017
South Africa1848 Posts
January 28 2018 12:46 GMT
#71
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12761 Posts
January 28 2018 13:56 GMT
#72
ShoWTimE was as good as Serral on ladder even in 2017 but he seems to only just now gain back his 2016 form
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 28 2018 14:20 GMT
#73
On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.

Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then.

ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 28 2018 16:29 GMT
#74
On January 28 2018 23:20 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.

Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then.

ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/

are you going to write an article about how Kelazhur isn't good on other patches?
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Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 28 2018 23:19 GMT
#75
On January 29 2018 01:29 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 28 2018 23:20 Soularion wrote:
On January 28 2018 21:46 Ciaus_Dronu wrote:
This ranking was pretty good. ShowTime the only person who has punched far above their weight here.
Hoping that Serral can clean house and secure a top 2 in the next rank.

Next rank's gonna be really cool. So many tournaments between now and then.

ShoWTimE is 50/50 punching above his expectations and me underrating him. Probably should've swapped him and Kelazhur - Kela's just not been very good so far this year. :/

are you going to write an article about how Kelazhur isn't good on other patches?

yeah it'll come out right after the article about how ptitdrogo is bad on other patches
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GothGirlGames
Profile Joined September 2017
167 Posts
January 29 2018 00:17 GMT
#76
#3 in final with #11
& it was the #11 that took out #1

SC2 is not luck and whatever balance the races has at the moment it less then tiers, only very good players beat other very good players.

Good and bad days, goals, life in general, mood and what else makes ous all human doesn't permit every player to always do same performance each time.

Lets focus on support and cheer for the players we like nomatter result, it not a favour to ourselfs or the players we like to try put other players down.

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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-29 00:44:43
January 29 2018 00:44 GMT
#77
On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?


Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind.


I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD

In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form.

That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last.


Ryung did reach the ro4 that season. Although his TvT carried him there it's still a strong result. If Scarlett reached the ro4 it would be historic.
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Loccstana
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States833 Posts
January 29 2018 01:16 GMT
#78
Hypothetically speaking, if Avilo went to Leipzig, what would his ranking be?
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Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-29 02:19:15
January 29 2018 02:11 GMT
#79
On January 29 2018 09:44 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 27 2018 02:56 pvsnp wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:49 VengefulTree wrote:
On January 27 2018 02:30 YourFavoriteTerran wrote:
On January 27 2018 01:54 Muffloe wrote:
I haven't been following the scene so closely for lotv, but my takeaway from this rank is that success in korea isnt that big of a deal anymore?


Right now because of the meta changes, any Tier 1 or Tier 2 Zerg or Protoss can take a korean out of a tourney. They changed the game from being about micro and skill to build order bluffs and the fact Terran has no game ending options that they can do and come back from. This allows opponents to take advantage of terran in an unfair way. Let's say a Terran proxies cyclones, they can maybe take out a hatch and the zerg counters with double hatch and a ravager push for a low cost and no tech tree. Terran is left in a position where they will always lose a lot and will be behind.


I love how your comment start off with a kind of dispassionate, objective journalistic tone, only to spiral down into full-on terran vindicative pamphlet in a single paragraph XD

In my humble opinion, a Ro16 at GSL is still something that is indicative of a very strong form.

That being said, winning a ZvZ against a post-Blizzcon-slumping Rogue is not exactly a feat worthy of legend. Last year, Ryung took out Byun in a mirror in the Ro32 of the first season. He got some hype/momentum which didn't last.


Ryung did reach the ro4 that season. Although his TvT carried him there it's still a strong result. If Scarlett reached the ro4 it would be historic.

All of that is true.

Ryung had some fantastic luck though. He advanced from the Ro32 by defeating Byun, was placed in the Group of Death, got switched for Inno to create the nastiest Group of Death since THE Group of Death, switched into herO's group (the easiest by far, in case that wasn't obvious from herO), advanced in second, and defeated Maru before Stats finally ended his run. One miracle run, and then all downhill for the rest of 2017.

All due respect to Ryung, but he didn't belong in the Ro4. There was basically only one way Ryung could have made it that far, and he was lucky enough to find the magic bullet. To put it into perspective, here's a list of all the players that made the Ro4 in 2017:
soO
sOs
Stats
Gumiho
Maru
Classic
INnoVation
Dark

........and at the end of this storied roster of SC2 legends, every single one a champion in their own right, we have Ryung. Talk about bracket luck.

If Scarlett, by hook or crook or subterfuge, manages to duplicate that feat, it truly would be historic.
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Profile Blog Joined April 2014
Austria354 Posts
January 30 2018 10:58 GMT
#80
On January 29 2018 10:16 Loccstana wrote:
Hypothetically speaking, if Avilo went to Leipzig, what would his ranking be?


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