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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
January 25 2018 22:56 GMT
#21
On January 26 2018 07:40 Mike L wrote:
certainly she performed such a good results against koreans during last events and which is even more important she show us some of a high level playing, while doing good at GSL and being a capable to qualify on 3 out of 4 winter big tournaments i hope it will be good start to season for her


Scarletts results against koreans have always been good. She just loses all WCS events to ZvZ
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
January 25 2018 23:10 GMT
#22
#6: (Z)Snute
[...] But since then, he's lost in the finals of two WCS circuit events


he actually lost three WCS circuit event finals, 2 last year and the winter championship in 2016 to polt. i would really love for him to finally win one^^

nice article overall
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 25 2018 23:12 GMT
#23
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
January 25 2018 23:37 GMT
#24
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents
$O$ | soO
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 25 2018 23:40 GMT
#25
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 25 2018 23:47 GMT
#26
On January 26 2018 08:37 iMrising wrote:
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents

Scarlett often gets fairly hard brackets. Uncharacteristically hard for her would be something else
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William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
January 25 2018 23:52 GMT
#27
On January 26 2018 08:37 iMrising wrote:
calling either serral or true will win. Neeb makes a somewhat early exit contrary to expectations.
Mana underrated, probe overrated (and i like both players), scarlett makes a top 4 finish unless she gets an uncharacteristically difficult bracket.

My two cents

I can see that result but I'm hoping for top finish.
ok
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
January 26 2018 00:02 GMT
#28
i expect scarlett to get to the ro16 or ro8 at the best
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-01-26 00:37:29
January 26 2018 00:35 GMT
#29
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.
Writermaru pls
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4958 Posts
January 26 2018 00:38 GMT
#30
I expect Special or True taking it
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
January 26 2018 00:49 GMT
#31
On January 26 2018 06:57 Swash91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 05:29 Durnuu wrote:
But Serral has 10k MMR and is #1 on aligulac tho?


Yeah high score vs non koreans

So high score in Leipzig confirmed.
why even
Wardi
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
England897 Posts
January 26 2018 00:50 GMT
#32
We're seeing him tear apart the WESG qualifier, 5-1 Snute in IEM qualifiers, win 10 straight Bo1s somehow, go on a 14-0 streak in WCS, crush Maru and Creator in IEM WC qualifiers… And we still haven't seen a championship.


It really bothers me that people are still calling the WESG EU Regional Finals a 'qualifier'. Serral won $18k at an offline event (WCS 1st place is $20k) and we aren't calling that a championship? Come on :D

He qualified for WESG over ShoWTimE...


Don't think this is right, Elazer beat ShoWTimE in the third place match but both were qualified for WESG anyways.

Fun power ranking, have to disagree with a few of the positions but that's what opinions and judgement are! Well written snap-shots of the players leading into the event though
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Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
January 26 2018 02:57 GMT
#33
Serral for the win!
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
EnderSword
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada669 Posts
January 26 2018 04:10 GMT
#34
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.
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starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
January 26 2018 05:15 GMT
#35
On January 26 2018 13:10 EnderSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.

or he hits any protoss lol
Soularion
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
Canada2764 Posts
January 26 2018 05:55 GMT
#36
On January 26 2018 13:10 EnderSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 09:35 Soularion wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:40 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On January 26 2018 08:12 Musicus wrote:
Btw Soularion, did you forget about Demuslim or do you think he is weaker than #37?

After thinking for a while, I think Drogo is a bit low and Showtime should probably be top 6.


37 and 36 got included since they're qualified players, so he's only saying that DeMuslim is weaker than Optimus which sounds plausible.


Bingo! To be quite honest I just have an odd enjoyment of Optimus as someone relatively new to the popular conscious, where as DeMuslim is similarly skilled but older, so I presume you guys kinda know what his life story is. Yours/GogojOey were auto-included due to qualifying for top 32.

On January 26 2018 05:46 DieuCure wrote:
Masa, Zanster etc higher than TIME, explanations


TIME has a lower sample size than Zanster/MaSa, and has yet to really break out (even if he has faced some extremely difficult groups). He's also quite inconsistent in China, so it's hard to place him extraordinarily high.


MaSa also is a weird one, while he will often lose to the European Zergs, he's one of the only people that won a Best of 5 and a Best of 7 vs neeb in 2017..he has a career winning record vs. Scarlett, Kelazhur and TRUE and is much better than the higher ranked Cham on this list, 75% against him.

He's consistently been able to stay a Top 3 NA, while having a losing record to people like Snute and Serral.

So i almost agree with the assessment that his path matters the most, he's going to win until he hits a Top 5 Euro-Zerg and then that's the roadblock.

MaSa is 3-27 vs Neeb since the start of 2017 outside of the two sets he won, both of which were pretty much back to back at Neeb's low point of the year iirc.

He did get some big wins vs TRUE at dh atlanta and cheesdelphia, then got swept by Elazer at WCS - so that's pretty much what you described.

He's 0-8 in his last 3 meeting vs Scarlett, too, and he's only played Cham twice (both in online Bo3s) since 2017 began, so that's just a low sample size. I wouldn't put him top 3 NA - Neeb/SpeCial/Scarlett are better than him, and maybe Cham too.
Writermaru pls
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
January 26 2018 07:08 GMT
#37
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
FrkFrJss
Profile Joined April 2015
Canada1205 Posts
January 26 2018 07:15 GMT
#38
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Scarlett Protoss switch into winning WCS Leipzig confirmed.
"Keep Moving Forward" - Walt Disney
William paradise
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
1753 Posts
January 26 2018 07:16 GMT
#39
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Ok that was funny.
ok
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
January 26 2018 07:41 GMT
#40
On January 26 2018 16:15 FrkFrJss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2018 16:08 Ej_ wrote:
Laughable power rank. How is Scarlett, the messiah of starcraft, one true best foreigner, of the house of brood lord infestor, birthed by Nestea, godsent by Mvp not #1? She will destroy this pathetic tournament, as long as she doesn't play any ZvZ, ZvP or ZvT, as we know those matchups are prone to luck over skill and very often the best player (who trains in Korea with genetically superior competition) doesn't win.

Scarlett Protoss switch into winning WCS Leipzig confirmed.


Even if she switched to Protoss, she'd still have to win some PvZs a matchup which I heard is prone to luck over skill.
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