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On November 05 2017 02:10 watchlulu wrote:
I do and will not understand how people are mad about this because they put money into the game and now it's free, lol.
The roughly 150$ I spent for all the three expansions combined where shaping my last 7 years of gaming.
Why do people always focus on what they don't have rather than being glad of what they have.
I don't even care for smurf accounts. If top GM players are looking to have all 200 GM spots covered by their accounts, go ahead.
Ladder-based tournament invites were a problem earlier already, if these invites would just stop, nobody would be really hurt about anything. I don't care about my rank, I care about having fun and a (possibly) bigger playerbase will certainly not hurt in this regard.
They don't care about what they get. What they get never changed. What they care about is what the others get and are unhappy, because the others are getting something. Which is just horrible behavior... I have no other word for that.
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On November 05 2017 00:31 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2017 20:58 Aquila Magna wrote:On November 04 2017 04:15 jahnesta wrote:
Its a cool move from Blizzard. But imho its way too late and i doubt that brings a great amount of new players :/
And about this : "For those of you who have already purchased any of the three campaigns as of October 31, we’ll soon be sending you a small thank-you in the form of an exclusive Ghost skin as well as three new portraits." Is it a joke ? One single skin (for only one race) and three portraits ??!! Guys, i paid 120 euros, your "thank you" is a little bit insulting :/
Yeah, I thought so too. I mean, I like they're going free to play, especially with multiplayer and of course you want to hook people with the first campaign and the lvl5 commanders. So strategically it seems sound to me, wether it's"too late" or not. But to add to your second point: Yes, I think this is a real insult. I bought all campaigns except nova c/o and am also active in the multiplayer. I guess it's occasional players like me that keep/kept the game going aside the small pro scene. I would really expect more than, as you said, a race-specific skin and some portraits. Especially those are laughable. I mean, maybe one of the new ones is cool and I'll use it but it does not really matter since there are already so many to choose from. In my opinion the fair move would really be to offer owner's of all the big expansions at least a free coop commander to choose - something tangible, playable. I would like the gesture (and at least in my case Blizz wouldn't lose income since I'm mainly a ranked player and won't buy commanders anyway). So you want Blizzard to give you something that you don't even care about. The logic is solid. People that are upset about game being free from now on, when they spent money on it , should ask themselves - "Did something change for me ?". I did that and the answer is no, so I don't care. Other than that you are just watching in other people's bowl and are uppset/jelous that they are getting something nice... Which is a low passion.
Yeah, I'm actually happy about the game going free. I got good value for my money, really no question about it. I was trying to make clear that I don't think giving out a little more to the "classic" player would harm revenue potential that much, though it may harm Blizz to make an uncertain amount of people unhappy. Wether you think it is justified to feel that way about the move to free to play is not really relevant at that point.
On that matter: As said I think buyers got fair value and I also do not think it is jealousy that makes some people wish for more appreciation from Blizzard. It is in my opinion rather the feeling of being a loyal supporter of the game for a long time and that ego getting scratched seeing that Blizzard (understandably) wpuld like to have other people than you in the game, too, even if they are only playing it cause it's free.
I mean, myself included others arguing on wether buyers get enough recognition are very much able to see the benefits of the move for the game itself (anf them as players) and are also mentioning it. Thus there is really no reason, I think, to label these folks plainly as egoistic, narrow-minded or something.
One should be able to discuss every aspect of Blizzards move to f2p in this community. And if one does so in a civil way, one should expect to receive reactions in an equally civil manner.
Edit: Being mainly a ranked player does not preclude enjoyment of perks recieved in other areas of the game 
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So you are upset, because you think that you are special and blizzard didn't scratch your ego hard enough. Ok, I think that I have nothing to add.
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I'll say it again, people who bought previous iterations of the game should be given an option to opt out of skins altogether if they want to, because skins at this point (and considering this silly activision matchmaking algorithm patent) are just ads and I paid premium, so to say.
Otherwise I don't really care about f2p.
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Its probably a good thing for Starcraft right now.
But...
its happening yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaars too late. Just sad.
Btw:
To all the people complaning that they spend money on the game:
We all had the chance to experience the game, the tournaments at a time that will never come back. With players that are not with us playing anymore, meta-games that will never comeback and just seeing the evolvement of the game and starcraft in general.
At the same time you had the chance to play the games for 7 years, which the other people had not.
Think about the time and fun you got over the last couple of years.
Just ridicoulus to be mad about that. Grow up.
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Well brood war didnt really explode around the world until 2003 and onwards even if it came out 5 years before, so thats what i hope for SC2.
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On November 05 2017 03:56 Pr0wler wrote:
So you are upset, because you think that you are special and blizzard didn't scratch your ego hard enough. Ok, I think that I have nothing to add.
I am not upset. I tried to provide some insight into why you might argue about the bonus Blizz gives to buyers. If you feel in some way uncomfortable about the issue, why not discuss it? Or rather leave people to dicuss it if they want to, instead of getting personal.
Feeling in a certain way about this news is nothing you want to, its just there. If you don't agree with what people write out of this feeling, you can argue against it or just state that you are happy with how things are going. I'm sry, but I really don't get why you could get mad about and impolite towards people discussing the loyalty rewards (as long as they are not rambling incoherently etc. etc.).
I think sometimes the issue really is that it is just not possible to convey in such posts if you are on fire about an issue or mostly just up for spending some time with discussion. Will Blizz change rewards because some say they could reasonably do more? Unlikely. Will that matter to me? Very little. Would I like to talk about the topic because it is an interesting question? Yes, obviously.
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On November 05 2017 04:47 Psychobabas wrote:
Well brood war didnt really explode around the world until 2003 and onwards even if it came out 5 years before, so thats what i hope for SC2.
BW also didn't have a million other esport titles to compete with.
I'm someone who cares only about the multiplayer in this game. I've always thought that they should've made that component free to play (to bolster the esports scene) while selling the single-player stuff (which casuals are more likely to care about) at a lower price. I think having to pay full price for three games just to keep up with multiplayer is what turned a lot of people (including myself) away from SCII. Look at the other top esports: League is free, Dota is free, CS:GO is a one-time purchase (cheaper than even the HotS expansion), OW is a one-time purchase.
I bought WoL for full price when it came out but didn't buy HotS or LotV because I didn't feel like paying for so much single-player stuff I was literally never going to touch.
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On November 05 2017 05:50 Eclipsing Binary wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 04:47 Psychobabas wrote:
Well brood war didnt really explode around the world until 2003 and onwards even if it came out 5 years before, so thats what i hope for SC2. BW also didn't have a million other esport titles to compete with. I'm someone who cares only about the multiplayer in this game. I've always thought that they should've made that component free to play (to bolster the esports scene) while selling the single-player stuff (which casuals are more likely to care about) at a lower price. I think having to pay full price for three games just to keep up with multiplayer is what turned a lot of people (including myself) away from SCII. Look at the other top esports: League is free, Dota is free, CS:GO is a one-time purchase (cheaper than even the HotS expansion), OW is a one-time purchase. I bought WoL for full price when it came out but didn't buy HotS or LotV because I didn't feel like paying for so much single-player stuff I was literally never going to touch.
If you skimped on all that fun for 40$ every 2 years the joke is on you bud. I dont regret it one bit, and I never touched the single player of both expansions.
I agree they are late on making multiplayer free though.
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sorry if off topic, but did they announce any other balance changes or changes to ladder?
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On November 05 2017 02:26 Pr0wler wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2017 02:10 watchlulu wrote:
I do and will not understand how people are mad about this because they put money into the game and now it's free, lol.
The roughly 150$ I spent for all the three expansions combined where shaping my last 7 years of gaming.
Why do people always focus on what they don't have rather than being glad of what they have.
I don't even care for smurf accounts. If top GM players are looking to have all 200 GM spots covered by their accounts, go ahead.
Ladder-based tournament invites were a problem earlier already, if these invites would just stop, nobody would be really hurt about anything. I don't care about my rank, I care about having fun and a (possibly) bigger playerbase will certainly not hurt in this regard.
They don't care about what they get. What they get never changed. What they care about is what the others get and are unhappy, because the others are getting something. Which is just horrible behavior... I have no other word for that.
This is a cousin of the sunk cost fallacy. It's part of human nature for whatever reason.
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What others get and we will continue to have access to: an incredibly difficult game to play that only costs a PC to play it on as well as a great deal of time and patience.
What we (who paid for it, bought all the xpacs, etc.) got until now that we will continue to have forever: an incredible, priceless amount of game knowledge and experience and entertainment spanning seven years.
Think about that for a minute.
On November 05 2017 07:24 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
sorry if off topic, but did they announce any other balance changes or changes to ladder?
Everything changing this month leading into next year in addition to SC2 going free to play is in their Future of StarCraft II article and the Major Design Changes post. Doesn't look like anything new for the multiplayer changes since the last update around a month ago, nor are there any other announced changes to ladder or MMR. (I doubt there will be, but who knows. Maybe Copper League will return.  ).
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On November 04 2017 03:33 Charoisaur wrote:
RIP LoL and Dota
This makes me laugh. Since when do you think ftp means people who are immerse in other genres will either come back to SC2 for content they already have done or play something they weren't really heavily invested in the first place.
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Amazing that this is finally happen!
Here's hoping it gets widely publicized and advertised!
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Good changes, but I dunno to what extent it will influence player base. I am really surprised to read posts like "man I paid for this game and now its free", "man this game is too expensive" Like really? You spend hundreds if not thousands of hours in the game and yet you think 40$ is too much? Lmao.
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On November 05 2017 14:10 StarStruck wrote:This makes me laugh. Since when do you think ftp means people who are immerse in other genres will either come back to SC2 for content they already have done or play something they weren't really heavily invested in the first place.
I think it was a pretty good sarcasm, no one from dota or lol is coming to SC2.
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I agree that it should have been F2P earlier, if SC2 had any hope of keeping up with LoL and Dota2. It was definitely no where near the only reason, but it was a contributing factor.
Having to pay for 3 games when youre not thaaaaat keen on sc2 definitely hurts when there are other super fun free or one time purchase games with booming scenes. I know plenty of people who either did not pick up HoTs or Lotv because they couldnt be assed paying another $40 for a game they were slightly disillusioned with.
My point is, from a 'in which reality is sc2 still the worlds biggest esport' point of view, I think it almost has had to be free to play much earlier.
That;s all behind us now, and I'm very glad that the blizzard team have made this decision. Kudos to them for having the balls to do it.
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I'm so upset that I bought 'Heat' with Al Pacino and Robert Deniro when it went to DVD, but now it's in the cheapo bin. I paid $20 for it, and I go to Wal-Mart to find it at $5!!!
Get over it. That's the way all entertainment works. If you buy a game/movie/album within the first year, expect to pay full price. Want it cheaper? Wait a few years and it will eventually drop.
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