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Fatam
Profile Joined June 2012
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Last Edited: 2017-11-02 07:10:07
November 02 2017 07:09 GMT
#121
To be fair, even if Elazer owns Dark in ZvZ that STILL doesn't make him better than Dark. Head to head is certainly not the only thing to consider.

For instance, Dark can actually beat Innovation in a bo7 whereas I don't think Elazer ever could barring a miracle and Inno having a really bad day. Similarly I think Dark would have a much better record than Elazer vs. most other high level competition.

Not trying to shit on Elazer though, he has been good lately and is a scary player. It's just Dark, considering everything, is better.
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Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
November 02 2017 08:45 GMT
#122
Come'on don't get baited by such shameless troll :p
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
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Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3503 Posts
November 02 2017 09:51 GMT
#123
SoO vs GuMiho will be sick!
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
BlaCha
Profile Joined March 2005
Poland743 Posts
November 02 2017 11:10 GMT
#124
Why the hell, do you people loose some much time in trying to judge who's better.... There's totally no sense in that.
In this game, there is a lot of players playing on very high level, they sometimes win and sometimes loose, depending on many different factors...
Just enjoy the matches and maybe make a predictions but stop with all this "he's better" nonsense.

Of course, fucking of course.
Kafka777
Profile Joined December 2015
361 Posts
November 02 2017 23:39 GMT
#125

When did Dark lose vs Elazer so much? just curious


During ladder play. You know these wins do not come from the Void, they are a Legacy of what already happened.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-11-03 02:20:04
November 03 2017 02:11 GMT
#126
On November 03 2017 08:39 Kafka777 wrote:
Show nested quote +

When did Dark lose vs Elazer so much? just curious


During ladder play. You know these wins do not come from the Void, they are a Legacy of what already happened.

#1 on the KR Ladder Serral got knocked out by Gumiho in the Ro16. Zest has been ranked #1 on the KR Ladder multiple times this year, and is not even at Blizzcon. "Ladder hero" is the term, I think.

It's been thoroughly demonstrated that ladder rank has little to no bearing on how players actually perform in offline tournaments. Ladder rank and actual skill are correlated, but the relation is NOT biconditional. A highly skilled player will likely be ranked highly on ladder. High ladder rank does NOT indicate high skill.
^This definition of "high skill" being made in the context of professional gaming; obviously high ladder rank does indicate an extremely high level of skill compared to the general ladder population.

Unless you're claiming Serral is actually better than all the Koreans, don't try and use the ladder as justification for anything.
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