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Korea Weekly - Code S Semifinals, SSL Playoffs

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Korea Weekly - Code S Semifinals, SSL Playoffs

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September 4th, 2017 07:44 GMT
  • Korea Weekly
  • .1
    Code S
  • .2
    SSL Premier
  • .3
    SSL Challenge
  • .4
    Schedule


Korea Weekly - September 4



by TheOneAboveU
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The final matches are approaching fast, as both individual leagues in Korea are now officially in playoff mode. In GSL Code S, the player count was halved once more last week and the final four contenders are going up against each other this week to decide the pairing of the Grand Finals. In SSL Premier, two players have the opportunity to start a run into that tournaments’ Grand Finals. And to round out the week, a ZvT orgy awaits us in SSL Challenge.

.1
Code S: The Laws of Gravity



What an exciting top four the last season of GSL this year has to offer: There is (P)sOs, a player many have already given up this year, who could make a miracle run to capture a last-minute ticket to BlizzCon. We have (Z)Dark, the last Zerg player in both leagues, in the run for two prestigious titles at the same time. And then there are the two titans, (P)Stats and (T)INnoVation, without a doubt the two greatest players of 2017, on a collision course with the potential for a Grand Finals of truly galactic scale.

While sOs has provided us with many opportunities to scratch our heads over the course of his career, this GSL run might have the potential to top the list. There is literally no impressive series he has played this season, his quarterfinal matches with Solar were riddled with mistakes from both sides and, yet, here the guy stands: In the top four, with the potential to make it to BlizzCon after the worst year in his StarCraft 2 career.

It’s a déjà vu from earlier this year. In the first season of Code S, we were pretty much in the same scenario: Somehow sOs sneaked his way into the playoffs, won a shaky victory in the quarterfinals— just to get trashed in the Round of 4. So, does history repeat itself? Did sOs scratch and bite his way through the season to be ultimately sacrificed on the altar of Stats’ greatness, or can the Jin Air player get himself together in time to pull off one of the greatest coups in StarCraft 2 history? Imagine sOs winning this season, imagine him going on to win BlizzCon. After a year, in which he has not played a single memorable game (yet). This could be the beginning of his ascension to godhood. He could win StarCraft 2. Like, all of it.

Of course, the best Protoss on the planet has a word, or two, to say about that. Stats has already won one season of Code S this year, he comfortably sits in the Grand Finals of SSL Premier at the moment and laughs down onto the world from his very literal mountain of WCS points. Not only could he win two GSL titles in one year, he could also unite the GSL and SSL championships under one belt. After all this time, he has managed to step out of the shadow of his former team mate Zest, becoming a giant in his own right. His own shadow has now fallen over the other Protoss players, and it could become larger still. It’s very clear, that the Splyce player—the only survivor of the team’s trio in the top eight—is going into this as the favourite.

Historically, sOs has the edge over him, but those statistics are quite dated by now. Both haven’t met each other since April. All the other numbers favour Stats. With a guy like sOs involved, PvP can become quite the scrappy match-up, and—as always—he is an expert in derailing a series to a point, where conventional wisdom is at its’ end and improvisation carries the day instead. Mental strength is a factor in a Bo7 against sOs, an experienced player when it comes to preparation and psychological warfare. Stats is not without weaknesses either: In the Ro16 Hurricane took two maps off him, in a very legit way. The Splyce Protoss must not be overconfident, or sOs may surprise him. Should Stats bring his best, though, this can become a solid path into the Grand Finals.

Our second semi-final is a nail-biter on paper and, hopefully, also in reality. INnoVation has been a monster for most of the year, this unstoppable killing machine, which slowly adapted and fixed even its’ smallest flaws and mistakes. One of the few people able to score victories against the Terran even during his periods of perceived invincibility, was Dark. Dark broke INnoVation’s win streak in SSL Premier. Dark recently sent INnoVation packing with a 3-0 win in Master’s Coliseum. And it is Dark, who just flawlessly wrecked TY in the quarterfinals.

The Zerg hasn’t had a title in his hands since early 2016, and every second, third and fourth place since then has stirred this eternal hunger for glory in him. From his dedicated drive to improvement and victory, down to his cocky attitude, Dark truly is the Emperor’s Last Son. Like Stats, Dark has the opportunity to unite the two Korean championships under his reign, but unlike him, he’ll have to carve his way through tough opposition to the Grand Finals in both tournaments. Fielding perhaps the best ZvT on the planet, he has all the tools needed to deal with the Machine. But even then, it’s going to be a gruesome battle.

Despite not being in the terrifying form of earlier in the year anymore, INnoVation remains on top of the world for now. It is perhaps fitting, that he must face his kryptonite in the form of Dark, a player so different from himself in personality, and so much more like the beloved icon of their former team. While INnoVation is closer in achievements to the Emperor of Terran than Dark, he couldn’t be more unlike him in personality and playstyle. We might be in for a battle of the ages between those two: The best-quality TvZ pairing you could wish for. Two former team mates in the footsteps of a legend. Two players with day-and-night personalities: The reserved and quiet INnoVation against the confident and outspoken Dark. INnoVation does have the numerical advantage, when it comes to overall and match-up form. Historically, both are evenly matched, with Dark having won the most recent series between the two.

No matter the outcome, the Grand Finals will feature a worthy pairing. And should INnoVation and Stats meet there after all is said and done, we will see the player of the year being decided far before BlizzCon even started.

.2
SSL Premier: Mental Showdown



Before the fight against INnoVation even begins, Dark will have to face off against (P)Dear in the first playoff match of SSL Premier. A Bo7 will decide, which one of the two will go up against Classic in the next match. For Dark, this means to prepare for two potentially very long ZvP and ZvT series in the same week—which, to be fair, seems like an entirely possible mission for a player like him. His recent form against Protoss has been very solid, with his last loss a few weeks ago, coming from Dear himself, while many other players had to bow down to Dark. Both have slacked off a bit in the last weeks of SSL, but still made the playoffs on the merit of their earlier successes.

Dear has really profited from the SSL format this year, showing his excellent preparation skills on the big stage on a weekly basis. Perhaps, in the beginning, people still underestimated him a bit. He had that stigma of a failed player until very recently. But his tenacity, his ability to stick around and wait for an opportunity to rise again, has finally paid off. For the first time since 2015, Dear stands as contender for a championship. Dark, being under double pressure next week, is a lethal opponent, but no one Dear can’t handle. His form against Zerg is solid, and a Bo7 is giving Dear enough space to be in his element. He, very much like Dark, tends to get nervous a lot, so this series might simply be settled by the mental factor: Whose nerves break earlier? Some well-prepared, quick strikes have the possibility to decide everything—in favour of both sides.

.3
SSL Challenge: Only Deads Bugs are Good Bugs



Though overshadowed by the titans clashing in the other leagues, SSL Challenge serves some fine ZvT to round up the week. The two eliminated GSL quarterfinalists (Z)Rogue and (T)ByuN meet in the first match, with both being under pressure to win. The Jin Air Zerg finally scored his first win last week, but his comeback run must go on, if he wants to survive to Fast Lane. Likewise, ByuN lost to the new top dog (T)Bunny last week, being dethroned from rank one. Bunny has the opportunity to go to a staggering 4-0 score next week against (Z)soO, who is still not out of the race at all, but looks weak after his shocking 0-3 loss to Impact last week. He should better look for that Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to stand a chance against this rising beast. And last, but not least, (Z)Impact and (T)jjakji go up against each other, with the Zerg looking like a clear favourite. For Jjakji, a win to keep his honour would be enough at this point, as his 0-3 record doesn’t allow much hope for greater things.

.4
Schedule



MON – SSL Premier – (P)Dear vs. (Z)Dark
WED – GSL Code S – (P)sOs vs. (P)Stats
SAT – GSL Code S – (T)INnoVation vs. (Z)Dark
SAT – SSL Challenge – (Z)Rogue vs. (T)ByuN / (Z)soO vs. (T)Bunny / (Z)Impact vs. (T)jjakji

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Writer: TheOneAboveU
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55555 Posts
September 04 2017 08:26 GMT
#2
On September 04 2017 16:44 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
For the first time since 2015, Dear stands as contender for a championship.

Why does a top 4 finish now and in 2015 put him in championship contention but his top 4s in 2016 apparently didn't?
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 04 2017 08:46 GMT
#3
On September 04 2017 17:26 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 16:44 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
For the first time since 2015, Dear stands as contender for a championship.

Why does a top 4 finish now and in 2015 put him in championship contention but his top 4s in 2016 apparently didn't?


I may have made a mistake with the numbers.

On the other hand - at least to me - he didn't really stand out as much in 2016 as he does now. That was a time were fucking Myungsik made the top 4 in Code S, and he also really was never a "contender" in my mind (basically sOs right now, only with sOs you always have to count him as a contender). Is it kind of understandable what my point is? Like, you can make top 4 but still be kind of an outsider and underdog. Now I feel like Dear may actually have a shot, though, making him a "contender".
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Zephyp
Profile Joined April 2013
238 Posts
September 04 2017 09:12 GMT
#4
Looking forward to this week's matches! GSL and SSL are stacked.
Kerdinand
Profile Joined November 2016
Germany113 Posts
September 04 2017 09:37 GMT
#5
I'm so torn between Stats and sOs - I just don't know if double(triple?) championship or three-time world chapion is more worth cheering for. At least I'm settled on Dark, his ZvT looked really amazing and I hope he can maybe win something more this year.

On September 04 2017 16:44 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:He should better look for that Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to stand a chance against this rising beast.


Sometimes I wonder if the TL writers have some kind of contest going of who can use the weirdest words/phrases in their articles. :D
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-04 09:51:49
September 04 2017 09:48 GMT
#6
"Mental strength is a factor in a Bo7 against sOs, an experienced player when it comes to preparation and psychological warfare."
It's kind funny to doubt sOs' mental toughness in Bo7 especially comparing to Stats. IMO Stats is one of the most stable and least "efficient" player in SC2 history because of his performance this year in particular.
sOs went to 10 grand finals and won 7 out of them, whereas Stats went to 6 grand finals and won 3 of them throughout their career, and you guys know how many opportunities Stats wasted in this year, given it is his best year in his career.
Will more "efficient" player be less mentally tough? If Stats has half of sOs' mental ability he would win at least one more title this year so far. After all, if Stats is mentally strong, he would win some big tournaments already in HotS due to his micro and potential.
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 04 2017 10:02 GMT
#7
On September 04 2017 18:37 Kerdinand wrote:
I'm so torn between Stats and sOs - I just don't know if double(triple?) championship or three-time world chapion is more worth cheering for. At least I'm settled on Dark, his ZvT looked really amazing and I hope he can maybe win something more this year.

Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 16:44 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:He should better look for that Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch to stand a chance against this rising beast.


Sometimes I wonder if the TL writers have some kind of contest going of who can use the weirdest words/phrases in their articles. :D


Bunny always tempts me to make a Monty Python reference, I can't help it. This time I just could not resist. :D
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RKC
Profile Joined June 2012
2848 Posts
September 04 2017 14:12 GMT
#8
On September 04 2017 18:48 Alarak89 wrote:
"Mental strength is a factor in a Bo7 against sOs, an experienced player when it comes to preparation and psychological warfare."
It's kind funny to doubt sOs' mental toughness in Bo7 especially comparing to Stats. IMO Stats is one of the most stable and least "efficient" player in SC2 history because of his performance this year in particular.
sOs went to 10 grand finals and won 7 out of them, whereas Stats went to 6 grand finals and won 3 of them throughout their career, and you guys know how many opportunities Stats wasted in this year, given it is his best year in his career.
Will more "efficient" player be less mentally tough? If Stats has half of sOs' mental ability he would win at least one more title this year so far. After all, if Stats is mentally strong, he would win some big tournaments already in HotS due to his micro and potential.


sOs has only won weekend championships, and his farthest Starleague run was a rather unimpressive one that ended in getting bopped by Byun. Stats, in contrast, seem to excel better in Starleagues - where preparation matters more. Hence, Stats should have the edge here. If it was IEM or Blizzcon, sOs and his bag of builds would have better odds, naturally.
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 04 2017 15:03 GMT
#9
Am I the only one who find it confusing to read "next week", in a text published early monday (unless you live close to the date line), but referring to the same week?
07:44 GMT on monday is mere hours before the first match of "next week". Are the writers living on Hawaii or something?
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 04 2017 16:54 GMT
#10
On September 05 2017 00:03 Drfilip wrote:
Am I the only one who find it confusing to read "next week", in a text published early monday (unless you live close to the date line), but referring to the same week?
07:44 GMT on monday is mere hours before the first match of "next week". Are the writers living on Hawaii or something?


No, it's not a timezone issue. In this particular instance I wrote the article on Saturday, with it being released on Sunday ideally - so the "next week" bits do make sense, if everything had worked out as planned. As it happens, sometimes stuff is sitting around for longer than planned, though. Our editors have a real life as well (I know, shocking!), so articles might be released a bit later than originally planned out, such as Monday morning. I apologize for any confusion, but it's really not too hard to figure out in my opinion.
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Alarak89
Profile Joined January 2016
United States882 Posts
September 04 2017 19:36 GMT
#11
On September 04 2017 23:12 RKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 18:48 Alarak89 wrote:
"Mental strength is a factor in a Bo7 against sOs, an experienced player when it comes to preparation and psychological warfare."
It's kind funny to doubt sOs' mental toughness in Bo7 especially comparing to Stats. IMO Stats is one of the most stable and least "efficient" player in SC2 history because of his performance this year in particular.
sOs went to 10 grand finals and won 7 out of them, whereas Stats went to 6 grand finals and won 3 of them throughout their career, and you guys know how many opportunities Stats wasted in this year, given it is his best year in his career.
Will more "efficient" player be less mentally tough? If Stats has half of sOs' mental ability he would win at least one more title this year so far. After all, if Stats is mentally strong, he would win some big tournaments already in HotS due to his micro and potential.


sOs has only won weekend championships, and his farthest Starleague run was a rather unimpressive one that ended in getting bopped by Byun. Stats, in contrast, seem to excel better in Starleagues - where preparation matters more. Hence, Stats should have the edge here. If it was IEM or Blizzcon, sOs and his bag of builds would have better odds, naturally.

I'm not talking about who has the edge here, I'm talking about mental toughness, they are two different topics.
Does mental ability have to do with weekend or starleague tournament as long as it's a bo7 series? Shouldn't a true mentally tough player be good (and by "good", I mean champion titles) at both type of tournaments?
Also be careful when to use the word "impressive" because this word is totally subjective. You think Stats is more "impressive" since he got a lot of Ro.4 or runner-up career wise in starleague, possibly more than Bogus, sOs or Zest's offline champion titles, but result wise this is exactly "inefficient" and therefore less "impressive" to me as I said above.
In my opinion, a 7 champion titles holder will always have better mental strength than a 3 champion titles holder given they both have played same game for more than 5 years, doesn't matter what sports it is.
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pvsnp
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Last Edited: 2017-09-04 20:03:16
September 04 2017 20:02 GMT
#12
Inno vs Dark is incredibly hype. Perhaps it's my personal bias, but I find it pretty hard to bet against INnoVation when the last time he lost an offline Bo7 was in 2013. Dark's no slouch, of course, but his biggest advantage seems to be the strength of Hydra/Ling/Bane.

Regardless of the result, I expect we'll be treated to some great games.
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September 04 2017 20:55 GMT
#13
On September 05 2017 05:02 pvsnp wrote:
Inno vs Dark is incredibly hype. Perhaps it's my personal bias, but I find it pretty hard to bet against INnoVation when the last time he lost an offline Bo7 was in 2013. Dark's no slouch, of course, but his biggest advantage seems to be the strength of Hydra/Ling/Bane.

Regardless of the result, I expect we'll be treated to some great games.


And so naturally we'll get some terrible 4-0 stomp.
pvsnp
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September 04 2017 21:33 GMT
#14
On September 05 2017 05:55 Phredxor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 05:02 pvsnp wrote:
Inno vs Dark is incredibly hype. Perhaps it's my personal bias, but I find it pretty hard to bet against INnoVation when the last time he lost an offline Bo7 was in 2013. Dark's no slouch, of course, but his biggest advantage seems to be the strength of Hydra/Ling/Bane.

Regardless of the result, I expect we'll be treated to some great games.


And so naturally we'll get some terrible 4-0 stomp.

Exactly.
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Nakajin
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Last Edited: 2017-09-04 23:28:37
September 04 2017 23:27 GMT
#15
On September 05 2017 05:02 pvsnp wrote:
Inno vs Dark is incredibly hype. Perhaps it's my personal bias, but I find it pretty hard to bet against INnoVation when the last time he lost an offline Bo7 was in 2013. Dark's no slouch, of course, but his biggest advantage seems to be the strength of Hydra/Ling/Bane.

Regardless of the result, I expect we'll be treated to some great games.


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Argonauta
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Last Edited: 2017-09-04 23:50:37
September 04 2017 23:50 GMT
#16
It would be cool that this weekly also would keep up with online tournaments, but maybe its much to ask for.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2015
United States1901 Posts
September 05 2017 02:14 GMT
#17
On September 05 2017 08:50 Argonauta wrote:
It would be cool that this weekly also would keep up with online tournaments, but maybe its much to ask for.


How can you keep up with online tournaments when the brackets often aren't finalized until ten minutes before the event starts?
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Phredxor
Profile Joined May 2013
New Zealand15076 Posts
September 05 2017 03:41 GMT
#18
On September 05 2017 11:14 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 08:50 Argonauta wrote:
It would be cool that this weekly also would keep up with online tournaments, but maybe its much to ask for.


How can you keep up with online tournaments when the brackets often aren't finalized until ten minutes before the event starts?


You'll be a busy man.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
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September 05 2017 04:17 GMT
#19
On September 05 2017 11:14 mizenhauer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 08:50 Argonauta wrote:
It would be cool that this weekly also would keep up with online tournaments, but maybe its much to ask for.


How can you keep up with online tournaments when the brackets often aren't finalized until ten minutes before the event starts?

Speedwriting is all the rage these days.
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DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-05 07:12:24
September 05 2017 07:06 GMT
#20
Someone to explain me why did TY play like this against Dark ?

Against another top zerg it would have been enough but 2* 3 cc against Dark was a suicide.

2016 BO was closer between this two guys. But ye ro8' TY...

I don't think INnoVation can win without 4 cheeses wins.
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Last Edited: 2017-09-05 12:07:10
September 05 2017 08:26 GMT
#21
On September 05 2017 04:36 Alarak89 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 04 2017 23:12 RKC wrote:
On September 04 2017 18:48 Alarak89 wrote:
"Mental strength is a factor in a Bo7 against sOs, an experienced player when it comes to preparation and psychological warfare."
It's kind funny to doubt sOs' mental toughness in Bo7 especially comparing to Stats. IMO Stats is one of the most stable and least "efficient" player in SC2 history because of his performance this year in particular.
sOs went to 10 grand finals and won 7 out of them, whereas Stats went to 6 grand finals and won 3 of them throughout their career, and you guys know how many opportunities Stats wasted in this year, given it is his best year in his career.
Will more "efficient" player be less mentally tough? If Stats has half of sOs' mental ability he would win at least one more title this year so far. After all, if Stats is mentally strong, he would win some big tournaments already in HotS due to his micro and potential.


sOs has only won weekend championships, and his farthest Starleague run was a rather unimpressive one that ended in getting bopped by Byun. Stats, in contrast, seem to excel better in Starleagues - where preparation matters more. Hence, Stats should have the edge here. If it was IEM or Blizzcon, sOs and his bag of builds would have better odds, naturally.

I'm not talking about who has the edge here, I'm talking about mental toughness, they are two different topics.
Does mental ability have to do with weekend or starleague tournament as long as it's a bo7 series? Shouldn't a true mentally tough player be good (and by "good", I mean champion titles) at both type of tournaments?
Also be careful when to use the word "impressive" because this word is totally subjective. You think Stats is more "impressive" since he got a lot of Ro.4 or runner-up career wise in starleague, possibly more than Bogus, sOs or Zest's offline champion titles, but result wise this is exactly "inefficient" and therefore less "impressive" to me as I said above.
In my opinion, a 7 champion titles holder will always have better mental strength than a 3 champion titles holder given they both have played same game for more than 5 years, doesn't matter what sports it is.


Why must better results be down to 'mental toughness'? Maybe sOs was just more skilled than Stats during the 5-year period?

It's tempting to distinguish serial winners (Inno) and losers (soO) based on their mental state. In most sports where conditions are almost symmetrical (tennis) - yes, that may be true. But in an asymmetrical (races) and volatile (maps, patches, etc.) game like SC2, it's less clear-cut to say that "since everything equal, therefore factor X must be the defining factor".

Why I speak vaguely of 'edges' is because I'm not certain why a SC2 player wins more trophies than the other (aside from more tangible factors such as skill, and arguably, 'externalities' such as format of competition, team-house priorities, etc.). You seem very sure that 'mental toughness' is the defining factor. I disagree. I think there are multiple factors at play, internal and external.

Fine, for the sake of argument, let's just compare the 'mental toughness' of sOs and Stats. I still don't see much disparity between them. Stats seem quite mentally solid. He's not prone to tilting. He's no MKP, herO, or soO. And even if sOs has the 'mental toughness' edge, it's slight and unlikely to influence the outcome of their match by much. To me, the match will be determined more by skill, preparation and mind-games.
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AzAlexZ
Profile Joined September 2016
Australia3303 Posts
September 05 2017 10:04 GMT
#22
I just noticed that all of the first place finishers (Solar, Byun, Rogue, TY) in the Ro16 are out and all of the second place finishers (INnoVation, sOs, Dark, Stats) advanced
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September 05 2017 10:18 GMT
#23
It's not about being good when it comes Starcraft.
It's about momentum, fortitude, mental strength, class and boldness.

Relentless hard work doesn't write storylines!
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Drfilip
Profile Joined March 2013
Sweden590 Posts
September 05 2017 10:23 GMT
#24
On September 05 2017 01:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
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On September 05 2017 00:03 Drfilip wrote:
Am I the only one who find it confusing to read "next week", in a text published early monday (unless you live close to the date line), but referring to the same week?
07:44 GMT on monday is mere hours before the first match of "next week". Are the writers living on Hawaii or something?


No, it's not a timezone issue. In this particular instance I wrote the article on Saturday, with it being released on Sunday ideally - so the "next week" bits do make sense, if everything had worked out as planned. As it happens, sometimes stuff is sitting around for longer than planned, though. Our editors have a real life as well (I know, shocking!), so articles might be released a bit later than originally planned out, such as Monday morning. I apologize for any confusion, but it's really not too hard to figure out in my opinion.


You are right. It's not hard to figure out and it is understandable that things gets delayed for various reasons.
I have a suggestion, though. Write the weekly preview in the time of "this week". That way the readers will get the right time even if the article gets delayed.

Thanks for spending time writing these every week!
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TheOneAboveU
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Germany3367 Posts
September 05 2017 13:04 GMT
#25
On September 05 2017 19:23 Drfilip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2017 01:54 TheOneAboveU wrote:
On September 05 2017 00:03 Drfilip wrote:
Am I the only one who find it confusing to read "next week", in a text published early monday (unless you live close to the date line), but referring to the same week?
07:44 GMT on monday is mere hours before the first match of "next week". Are the writers living on Hawaii or something?


No, it's not a timezone issue. In this particular instance I wrote the article on Saturday, with it being released on Sunday ideally - so the "next week" bits do make sense, if everything had worked out as planned. As it happens, sometimes stuff is sitting around for longer than planned, though. Our editors have a real life as well (I know, shocking!), so articles might be released a bit later than originally planned out, such as Monday morning. I apologize for any confusion, but it's really not too hard to figure out in my opinion.


You are right. It's not hard to figure out and it is understandable that things gets delayed for various reasons.
I have a suggestion, though. Write the weekly preview in the time of "this week". That way the readers will get the right time even if the article gets delayed.

Thanks for spending time writing these every week!


Thank you for the feedback, will definitely keep it in mind next time.
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 05 2017 14:32 GMT
#26
I like Stats but I'd rather see sOs at Blizzcon than herO or ByuN. Looks like I'm cheering for him on this one
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
fronkschnonk
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany622 Posts
September 06 2017 12:50 GMT
#27
On September 05 2017 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
It's not about being good when it comes Starcraft.
It's about momentum, fortitude, mental strength, class and boldness.

Relentless hard work doesn't write storylines!

But relentless hard word is something that most of the top Pros have in common. It's hard to distinguish between them in that regard. So the other stuff is what comes on top and is easier to describe - especially if you have someone like sOs who really is outstanding in his aura of "I don't care".
Furthermore, I consider that some kind of Code A must be reestablished.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
September 06 2017 16:58 GMT
#28
On September 05 2017 19:18 Ej_ wrote:
It's not about being good when it comes Starcraft.
It's about momentum, fortitude, mental strength, class and boldness.

Relentless hard work doesn't write storylines!


It's about knowing how to win, something all of those things can help with.

And we don't have a clue who works the hardest out of all the players so that's a pointless thing to comment on. They all clearly work hard, some to more success than others
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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