EPTOn August 24 2017 03:22 Argonauta wrote:
Didnt saw Maru vs Dear ever! gotta watch it tonight
Didnt saw Maru vs Dear ever! gotta watch it tonight
You lucky boy
The Case for Dear - Page 2
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
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MyiPtitDrogo
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Meepman
Canada610 Posts
On August 24 2017 00:28 Sakat wrote: JD had to pull a pretty miraculous play to beat him. One of my favourite series of all time I remember actually jumping out of my chair with excitement :') Hope he's really back! | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
Dear derps are also fun. | ||
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Fatam
1986 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:58 Durnuu wrote: I love Dear whether he derps or plays like a god. Never a boring moment with that guy Even more so with sOs. He's the one pro I really wish sticks it out the longest. I know his form lately has been pretty spotty though. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Althought I still stand by my statements that terran players shouldn't lose to him, just widowmine drop to victory | ||
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DubiousC2
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
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dyDrawer
Canada438 Posts
On August 24 2017 02:09 Jj_82 wrote: Except Rain maybe? Zest and Maru are just shadows of their former form... It's what ByuN and Dear did  Rain during the late stages of his career did look quite unstoppable. However, it didn't quite have the brilliance that Dear showed. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Rain fan and his play during his prime was extremely solid and very hard to master. But when Rain won the GSL championship, it felt more like Rain studied his opponents, drew out a plan for victory, and just followed that plan. Quite an impressive feat undoubtedly, but for viewers (at least for myself), it lacked the kind of exhilaration that Dear brought. To me, Rain winning that season did not come as a surprise -- it was more of a nod to myself: yep, his experience came through. But when Dear was playing in late 2013, it was totally different. His games were breathtaking to watch. It felt like he could do no wrong, and he just had no weakness. Every Protoss had a weakness up till that point. Rain was too predictable in his defensive style; PartinG's penchant for all-ins has cost him dearly before; sOs's schemes are highly intelligent, but his execution and defense definitely showed a few holes several times. They also had problems with certain race match-ups. Dear was different. His all-ins were sharp and well-timed; his defenses and multi-tasking extremely solid. He beat top Protoss, Terran and Zerg on his way to championship, showing no clear weakness in any race match-up. Zest for me, his first peak was tarnished by the state of balance at that time. Zest was undoubtedly a highly accomplished PvP and PvZer, but his PvT was weak. I would argue that he wouldn't have won the GSL championship if not for the fact that Terrans got pooped on so hard by the infamous Oracle-Mine patch and the subsequent blink nightmares. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
That particular brand of sheer dominance was most recently displayed in Inno's run through GSL vs the World, during which he dropped a grand total of 1 map on his way to the trophy (and he was way ahead in that game too, just took one bad engagement). | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On August 24 2017 14:24 pvsnp wrote: Personally, I'd say the pinnacle of brilliance would have to go to Life and INnoVation during their multiple periods of dominance. At their respective peaks, both of them came off as fearsomely close to utterly invincible. I think for that brief period of time Dear was THAT GUY for P | ||
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MoonyD
Australia191 Posts
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Penev
28481 Posts
Also + Show Spoiler + although maybe not as big of a come back story but I hope you do one of these for Rogue as well | ||
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WhosQuany
Germany257 Posts
(what happend to mass oracle`s vs Z) | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
And almost nobody really cared that Dear made four Code S semifinals which is terribly unfair. His biggest mistake was that he went to e foreign team in the end of 2013 I think and he got into a swamp. Then his co-work with Stork I think made his slowly return to his top shape. I won't forget those matches against Maru, epic games! | ||
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Sogetsu
514 Posts
Still, about the main message in the text I agree, the best from each player push the other ones to improve even more if they want to win, and that give us the best games (unless a horrible meta is settle and whatever they do we can't enjoy it) | ||
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sneakyfox
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On August 24 2017 14:16 dyDrawer wrote: Rain during the late stages of his career did look quite unstoppable. However, it didn't quite have the brilliance that Dear showed. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Rain fan and his play during his prime was extremely solid and very hard to master. But when Rain won the GSL championship, it felt more like Rain studied his opponents, drew out a plan for victory, and just followed that plan. Quite an impressive feat undoubtedly, but for viewers (at least for myself), it lacked the kind of exhilaration that Dear brought. To me, Rain winning that season did not come as a surprise -- it was more of a nod to myself: yep, his experience came through. But when Dear was playing in late 2013, it was totally different. His games were breathtaking to watch. It felt like he could do no wrong, and he just had no weakness. Every Protoss had a weakness up till that point. Rain was too predictable in his defensive style; PartinG's penchant for all-ins has cost him dearly before; sOs's schemes are highly intelligent, but his execution and defense definitely showed a few holes several times. They also had problems with certain race match-ups. Dear was different. His all-ins were sharp and well-timed; his defenses and multi-tasking extremely solid. He beat top Protoss, Terran and Zerg on his way to championship, showing no clear weakness in any race match-up. Zest for me, his first peak was tarnished by the state of balance at that time. Zest was undoubtedly a highly accomplished PvP and PvZer, but his PvT was weak. I would argue that he wouldn't have won the GSL championship if not for the fact that Terrans got pooped on so hard by the infamous Oracle-Mine patch and the subsequent blink nightmares. Ok, I agree that Dear when he hit his peak was totally off the charts, but I gotta say this about Rain: When Rain first hit his peak, he also looked invincible for a while, and it was incredible to watch. He seemed to be everywhere all at once. He defended against drops with a high templar because he knew he could feedback instantly no matter what. From memory, Rain's weakness that season was a little-known player called MVP. But I'm bringing this up because for me, that was when Rain was really exhilarating, and I think that was true for a lot of other viewers. The difference between Zest and Dear is hard to describe for me. Zest always reminded me of one time I watched an International Master in chess play in person: his play was so CLEAN. It wasn't super flashy, it was just a series of moves that were correct and put him in a better and better position. Dear on the other hand didn't look clean to me in the same way. Dominant, amazing, yes. Also, didn't Dear achieve dominance during the era when Maru and BByong were pretty much the only two terrans in GSL the whole year? I seem to remember a number of Protoss champs around that time, and it always felt like that was Maru's peak and he was robbed by the state of balance... Is my memory off here? I don't always trust it with this kinda stuff. | ||
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On August 25 2017 16:43 neutralrobot wrote: Ok, I agree that Dear when he hit his peak was totally off the charts, but I gotta say this about Rain: When Rain first hit his peak, he also looked invincible for a while, and it was incredible to watch. He seemed to be everywhere all at once. He defended against drops with a high templar because he knew he could feedback instantly no matter what. From memory, Rain's weakness that season was a little-known player called MVP. But I'm bringing this up because for me, that was when Rain was really exhilarating, and I think that was true for a lot of other viewers. The difference between Zest and Dear is hard to describe for me. Zest always reminded me of one time I watched an International Master in chess play in person: his play was so CLEAN. It wasn't super flashy, it was just a series of moves that were correct and put him in a better and better position. Dear on the other hand didn't look clean to me in the same way. Dominant, amazing, yes. Also, didn't Dear achieve dominance during the era when Maru and BByong were pretty much the only two terrans in GSL the whole year? I seem to remember a number of Protoss champs around that time, and it always felt like that was Maru's peak and he was robbed by the state of balance... Is my memory off here? I don't always trust it with this kinda stuff. Dear became a God just before the blink era, joined a foreign team and kinda disappeared when Zest first showed up. The protosses that were dominating in that era were Zest, Classic and to an extent herO. | ||
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Ej_
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