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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 25 2017 13:10 GMT
#41
I never stopped thinking of Dear as a good player, but he just stopped winning matches. Lost so many of my liquibets by just assuming Dear would play well
maru G5L pls
Sakat
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
Croatia1599 Posts
August 25 2017 13:44 GMT
#42
Having rewatched a lot of Dear matches from 2013, it's just beautiful to see...
My boy Ptak defeated two GSL champions!
KR_4EVR
Profile Joined July 2017
316 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-25 21:00:39
August 25 2017 20:56 GMT
#43
Premise disagreement. Deer in spotlights mean big crash coming.
Et tu Brute ?
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
August 26 2017 00:39 GMT
#44
that dear vs maru series was awesome and the game on frost is still one of my all time favorites. its especially interesting to look back at that series as it serves as a good example for marus developement. you see his great control and trademark aggression, but you also see the big flaws in his macro / transitions vs an overall more solid player in dear at the time. disregarding the general increase in skill over time i'd love to see how this series plays out with 2015 maru macro, might have been even more epic and gone to game 5 with a possible maru victory ^^

not sure how much i agree with the overall point of the article though. in that game 3 of maru vs dear, maru was basically ahead for the whole game after his impressive initial hold and he pushed that advantage. it was kinda competitive, but maru was never really in any danger of losing despite his lackluster macro. its just what happens when an (over)aggressive player meets a solid, defensive player, so i guess its good to have these in somewhat equal numbers :D

By being such an impregnable obstacle he brought out the best in his opponents


meh, he crushed more than enough people with his immaculate builds and timings (just look at the two finals he won). most of the times he played vs defensive players, he picked the right allin to punish them or he actually lost in a long, drawn out macro game (look at dear vs taeja at blizzcon, total opposite of his series vs maru). he wasnt an impregnable obstacle vs maru either, he defended just good enough so he could punish maru for not expanding / transitioning properly behind his aggression.

Down 3-2 and coming off a game 5 victory, Dear forced ByuL to adapt. He pushed the Zerg in a direction he either had not intended or specifically planned for Dear, someone so adept at dispatching standard play that ByuL frantically searched for another counter.


dear countered mutas with phoenixes and pushed after the mutas died, wow :D byul just got punished for a too greedy hive rush on a big map, so i have a hard time specifically celebrating this too much. yes, it was a good, sharp push, but not all that special.

i like dear and he is probably underrated, but i wouldnt say that he produces an unusually high amount of good series' compared to other top players
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 26 2017 11:07 GMT
#45
On August 26 2017 09:39 Executer08 wrote:
i have a hard time specifically celebrating this too much. yes, it was a good, sharp push, but not all that special.


Wasn't the magical thing about dear in those tournaments that he somehow seemed to have good, sharp pushes against everyone? He played defensively very well and then he smelled blood in the water and just attacked with a crisp blow at an unusual timing that was just barely enough to win. And then he did the same in the next game and to the next opponent!
maru G5L pls
Haighstrom
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom209 Posts
August 27 2017 10:27 GMT
#46
I'm glad there are some Dear fans. I am not one of them; I think he looks like a horse.
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
August 30 2017 12:13 GMT
#47
On August 26 2017 20:07 neptunusfisk wrote:
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On August 26 2017 09:39 Executer08 wrote:
i have a hard time specifically celebrating this too much. yes, it was a good, sharp push, but not all that special.


Wasn't the magical thing about dear in those tournaments that he somehow seemed to have good, sharp pushes against everyone? He played defensively very well and then he smelled blood in the water and just attacked with a crisp blow at an unusual timing that was just barely enough to win. And then he did the same in the next game and to the next opponent!


yes exactly, but thats not what the article is highlighting about him because that doesnt actually make for good games :D that byul series specifically wasnt all that entertaining despite being a 4-3 and i disagree with the article that dear forced byul to adjust. byul kinda did the same thing every game anyway and just made small adjustment towards the maps moreso than towards dear.
"You have the image of being a robotic, stoic player among foreign fans. What do you think about that?" - "I don’t think it’s incorrect." || letodSWAG
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