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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 27 2017 17:26 GMT
#101
GuMiho playing terran like it should be played, making pretty much every unit at his disposal except for the ghost. Yet still producing superb multitasking, harass and decision making.
It's refreshing to watch Terran played like this instead of Bio all day every day.
seopthi
Profile Blog Joined December 2014
401 Posts
June 27 2017 17:34 GMT
#102
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 27 2017 17:37 GMT
#103
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
June 27 2017 17:39 GMT
#104
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

He played bio on Frost.
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
June 27 2017 17:45 GMT
#105
On June 28 2017 02:39 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

He played bio on Frost.

You're right and I forgot about that game.
He would probably still play mech if there was a good way to do it after a mass reaper opening. His bio wasn't very good.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
leublix
Profile Joined May 2017
493 Posts
June 27 2017 21:06 GMT
#106
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

One mech build after killing ~20 drones with hellions...
Lexender
Profile Joined September 2013
Mexico2665 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-27 21:28:47
June 27 2017 21:28 GMT
#107
On June 28 2017 02:45 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:39 Elentos wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

He played bio on Frost.

You're right and I forgot about that game.
He would probably still play mech if there was a good way to do it after a mass reaper opening. His bio wasn't very good.


He won with it, also he lost with Inno's build.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 01:11:33
June 28 2017 01:03 GMT
#108
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

Exactly this, INnoVation gets a lot of crap for being boring and ultraorthodox, but the man has six Premier trophies in his cabinet to Gumiho's one and TY's two (one if you don't count WESG). Playing super-standard might not impress random TL posters but it wins big shiny trophies. And I think we all know which of those two is more important (insert smartaass comment about winning the internet ).

Bottom line is, if he wins tournaments (and he wins a lot), why the fuck would Inno change his style?

I too appreciate Gumiho's creativity and TY's brains, but I copy Inno's builds, not theirs.
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Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
June 28 2017 01:07 GMT
#109
On June 28 2017 10:03 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

Exactly this, INnoVation gets a lot of crap for being boring and ultraorthodox, but the man has six Premier trophies in his cabinet to Gumiho's one and TY's two (one if you don't count WESG). Playing super-standard might not impress random TL posters but it wins big trophies. And I think we all know which of those two is more important (insert smartaass comment about winning the internet). If he wins tournaments (and wins a lot), why the fuck would Inno change his style?

I too appreciate Gumiho's creativity and TY's brains, but I copy Inno's builds, not theirs.


To be fair, TY is pretty much the god of throws.
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-06-28 01:12:59
June 28 2017 01:08 GMT
#110
On June 28 2017 10:07 Meepman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 28 2017 10:03 pvsnp wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:37 Ej_ wrote:
On June 28 2017 02:34 seopthi wrote:
True, I have much appreciation for the Terrans who use large spectrum of units and strategies such as Gumiho or TY, and can't find much appreciation for those who can be successful due to the brute force of mechanics, but are not innovative..like Innovation

Ironically enough, INnoVation played both mech and bio in SSL finals while GuMiho played only mech in the GSL finals and actually used one of INnoVation's mech builds .

Exactly this, INnoVation gets a lot of crap for being boring and ultraorthodox, but the man has six Premier trophies in his cabinet to Gumiho's one and TY's two (one if you don't count WESG). Playing super-standard might not impress random TL posters but it wins big trophies. And I think we all know which of those two is more important (insert smartaass comment about winning the internet). If he wins tournaments (and wins a lot), why the fuck would Inno change his style?

I too appreciate Gumiho's creativity and TY's brains, but I copy Inno's builds, not theirs.


To be fair, TY is pretty much the god of throws.

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*Soulkey kisses his GSL trophy*
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Meepman
Profile Joined December 2009
Canada610 Posts
June 28 2017 01:19 GMT
#111
post of the thread tbh
Kingsky
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore298 Posts
June 28 2017 01:23 GMT
#112
Honestly always being 2nd isn't that bad imo, no point to retire. 2nd place gets a decent prize and enough points for WCS world's right?
Why do people hate the Colossus? Because the Colossus is like banksters from Wall Street: “too big to fail”. - TheDwF
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
June 28 2017 03:15 GMT
#113
On June 28 2017 10:19 Meepman wrote:
post of the thread tbh

Thank you, I try. And a picture is worth a thousand words.
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lorestarcraft
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1049 Posts
June 30 2017 19:55 GMT
#114
When soO played game 1 perfectly and still lost, I knew it was over
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ThunderJunk
Profile Joined December 2015
United States741 Posts
July 01 2017 01:43 GMT
#115
On July 01 2017 04:55 lorestarcraft wrote:
When soO played game 1 perfectly and still lost, I knew it was over


I agree that the outcome was clear when SoO lost that first game, but he did not play perfectly. He defended the harass perfectly, but he had no plan to damage Gumiho in the lategame. He just survived and let Gumiho get his perfect composition and then took cost-ineffective engagements.

I went back and watched that game. A nydus into the main with his hydra roach would have changed everything.
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BlackCompany1
Profile Joined July 2017
1 Post
July 02 2017 20:22 GMT
#116
On July 01 2017 10:43 ThunderJunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2017 04:55 lorestarcraft wrote:
When soO played game 1 perfectly and still lost, I knew it was over


I agree that the outcome was clear when SoO lost that first game, but he did not play perfectly. He defended the harass perfectly, but he had no plan to damage Gumiho in the lategame. He just survived and let Gumiho get his perfect composition and then took cost-ineffective engagements.

I went back and watched that game. A nydus into the main with his hydra roach would have changed everything.


Maybe but I doubt that would have worked. Gumiho had two sensor towers up and about 15 vikings. With that setup, it's pretty hard to get in and out with an overlord and actually pull off the nydus to boot. Long story short, Gumiho lost more units than I could count during the harass but with terran's safe setup and mule-based economy, losing all those units doesn't really matter much. If it was a protoss or zerg player that failed that hard with their harass, the game would have been over. As zerg has sad harass options against a turtling terran, Gumiho basically collected spellcasters to use for free units and won the battle by attrition.



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