EPTherO wins the GSL Super Tournament - Page 2
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attomac
Peru14 Posts
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beepbeeeeeeep
145 Posts
On April 10 2017 06:01 kajtarp wrote: It is not about protoss hate, at least by me. It is just watching phoenix adept every single game mixed with some oracles is really boring to watch. it's no more boring to watch than marine/medivac every single game mixed with some widow mines | ||
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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Subflow
52 Posts
On April 10 2017 07:34 beepbeeeeeeep wrote: it's no more boring to watch than marine/medivac every single game mixed with some widow mines This. stop bullshitting about the op-ness of a strat (pheonix + adepts) when terran uses also the same strat all the time ( marines marauders medivacs mines). And did you even consider how hard it is to control pheonixes and adepts like this? | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8984 Posts
On April 10 2017 08:21 Subflow wrote: This. stop bullshitting about the op-ness of a strat (pheonix + adepts) when terran uses also the same strat all the time ( marines marauders medivacs mines). And did you even consider how hard it is to control pheonixes and adepts like this? Except terran can do more than one thing with Bio+medivacs. It can be super interesting to watch how these guys play due to the fact that the MMM unit comp can take you anywhere in a game (some turtle upto ghost+lib/maybe viking tech before engaging, some do bunker pushes, some harass and drop etc). Terran's always been that way in sc2. Yeah the core army is 3 units, but anything can happen with them. You can actually have an early, mid, and lategame. With adept pheonix there is no lategame most of the time. Does anyone seriously enjoy watching someone mass 20000 adepts and then bust with them (plus making a single oracle and some pheonixes) each game. I admit at the start of LoTV is was interesting to watch how people harrased with them, split up shades etc. Now it's just horrible, starting to ruin a lot of finals. At least herO's found his new blink allin, good for him I guess. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
This. stop bullshitting about the op-ness of a strat (pheonix + adepts) when terran uses also the same strat all the time ( marines marauders medivacs mines). And did you even consider how hard it is to control pheonixes and adepts like this? Watching Terran micro with 4M is, along with Zerg micro with LBM, the highest pinnacle of Starcraft entertainment and never gets old because the micro ceiling is just so damn high. Phoenixes require some amount of micro for lifts and such, though otherwise not too much because they have the whole attack-while-moving schtick. Adepts are shade-over-enemy-and-forget. Adept/Phoenix is an utter shitshow after seeing the same build 10000 games in a row. And the dude is talking about how boring it is, not how OP. Stop projecting your own balance bullshit. Does anyone seriously enjoy watching someone mass 20000 adepts and then bust with them (plus making a single oracle and some pheonixes) each game. I admit at the start of LoTV is was interesting to watch how people harrased with them, split up shades etc. Now it's just horrible, starting to ruin a lot of finals. Agree completely. Adepts were interesting a year ago. Now they're just cancer. I didn't even bother to watch GSL Finals because I knew it would be Adept-shitshow all game every game, and reading the Recap said as much. | ||
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nomito
8 Posts
With wms, tanks and liberators terran will win a full ground battle 8/9 of 10, so the only effective way to deal with denied zones are adept's shade, and phoenix to deal with liberators at mid game before range upgrade. Then adepts are broken? yes, they are, but are the only way to deal with current terran meta. | ||
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yht9657
1810 Posts
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DropTester
Australia608 Posts
On April 10 2017 11:39 yht9657 wrote: Massing adepts basically every game like herO did is indeed boring to watch, but so deeply rooted is Protoss hate in some Terran players that they just couldn't appreciate anything Protoss does efficiently against them. The HoTS colo deathball is boring, phoenix/adept is boring, this almost feels like racism to Protoss players who are clearly a minority group on ladder compared to Terran and this is mostly due to the different designs of the two races. Protoss play relies on map awareness ,reaction and solid control while Terran play fast pace of action, swift execution and multitasking, soit's not surprising most people find Terran play more exciting than Protoss play. I think this describes it pretty well, it just seems like the hate is always there. Playing protoss myself, I can personally appreciate watching these plays. But no matter what it is, it feels like the hate is always there. Protoss players are making the most of what they have. | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
and as a player to a viewer experience or just as a viewer, it doesn't sit right that they get to play predictably and win through that. if you have enough distaste for the game though, I really recommend taking a step back and understanding that this is just a game for you, but is livelihood for these individuals. they're not playing to spite you and I believe that most protoss professionals despise some of the ways they have to counter-play in matchups were it not (and sometimes despite) that it's something that can win. if you want to be a little more involved in this kind of entertainment, maybe try seriously putting an effort into the race in question and playing it out yourself. it's certainly not so easy that anyone or even most can pick up, let alone win consistently with. if you challenge it you will most certainly feel challenged by it regardless of your views beforehand. they make it look easy because a lot of the time that is the level they have to play and hone it. | ||
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Plopus
Switzerland112 Posts
On April 10 2017 06:01 kajtarp wrote: It is not about protoss hate, at least by me. It is just watching phoenix adept every single game mixed with some oracles is really boring to watch. I'm a bit sad as well. But that's the only way to play protoss at the moment. Other viable options do not exists. | ||
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Plopus
Switzerland112 Posts
On April 10 2017 17:19 nanaoei wrote: I think the general idea is that a protoss this deep into the tourney chose one strong strategy out of a possible many. Not sure which possible possible strategy you are talking about? | ||
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XiZeL
Switzerland92 Posts
i watch the semis  | ||
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nanaoei
3358 Posts
On April 10 2017 17:54 Plopus wrote: Not sure which possible possible strategy you are talking about? I'm talking about innovating and seeing something new--the especially exciting stuff--seeing something in the meta change. we like to believe, or at least I like to believe that the top pros are always working some build order and play style out that is above and beyond, and that it's always possible a eureka moment happens and new units are being used to good effect. on a separate note, it wasn't too long ago when players were trying to use colossus, and disruptors (some still do) in the MU. obviously they were succeeding enough. there are a lot of examples of builds like this that just fade out and get forgotten for us spectators. there were fast disruptor drops, and stuff even so far back as proxy voidrays. but we're probably just going to remember adepts and phoenixes in PvT for the moment. I've got no issue with It personally, because it simply wins, and it's pretty simple that I like seeing how games are won in StarCraft. you go to a game like DotA2 and a vast majority of people want to play carry, hit creeps, take gold for their items at all times when there's a limit to what you can do, and there is overall strategy/basic things you need to account for as a unit of 5. some of those frequent carry players feel entitled to playing what they've been imposing on others (snatching the role) and practicing as a result. if you are not familiar, almost half of any game's [serious] squad is composed of supporting roles, because things need to be done with less resources. with the selfishness, I'm beginning to think that this is the habit that a lot of gamers start with until at least they start losing a good amount of games to it. but this is a solo game where you take majority responsibility and there are only so many practical ways that you can win. you are seeing one of those ways right here. I don't really understand complaints about the strat, and when the top protoss players move on from it (and they will), everybody will be copying their new thing as if it were their own. | ||
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Veluvian
Bulgaria256 Posts
But anyway, aLive made a huge jump this spring! | ||
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realityyy
Germany50 Posts
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Slaget
Chile6 Posts
great but wird tournament i hope aLive continue playing this good! gratz to HerO | ||
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lestye
United States4133 Posts
On April 10 2017 05:52 beepbeeeeeeep wrote: what a sad state the sc2 community is in when the majority of the posts here are either people crying about protoss or sadness for alive. people just can't get over themselves and their protoss hate to congratulate herO on his first premier win since 2015. pretty sad I mean regardless, watching adepts do well is just infuriating to watch. Especially if theres warp prisms involved. I know people made the comparison to massing marines and medivacs, but those units arent as polarizing as "protoss bullshit". | ||
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Sound1
France93 Posts
On April 10 2017 19:47 Veluvian wrote: I think even from IEM Katowice, aLive is playing so damn good and everybody sees it. But on the final match against herO he should probably change the entire aproach of the game - more Inno style, defensive, solid, less multitasking. This adept/phoenix ball of herO is unstopable for any other tactics I think and simple micro cannot break it. But anyway, aLive made a huge jump this spring! I could not agree more. Often I watch aLive's stream and he has a very agressiv/multitasking style in all MU. His style is the opposite of Inno one. But in this serie vs HerO a more conservative/defensive play would have worked better. If my memory serves me right, at the start of the LOTV Beta, already aLive was one of the best terran players in the world. I think his style fits perfectly with LOTV gameplay. Sad to see him lose this final but HerO played well too. Especially sad to see him lose like this in a one sided game 6 while the serie was amazing until there. | ||
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