Scarlett and MajOr qualify for Code S

On April 02 2017 21:43 oGoZenob wrote:

Well Cloudy was one win away against scarlett, so it wouldnt have changed anything foreigner-wise ^^

Also didnt drogo tried to qualify ? Cant find him on the bracket

On April 02 2017 22:37 DieuCure wrote:
"Highest skilled era"

On April 02 2017 22:37 DieuCure wrote:
"Highest skilled era"

On April 02 2017 23:16 Xalorian wrote:


Actually... yes?
The scene is smaller and maybe players could have improved even more, but still, highest skilled era for sure.

Actually... yes? compare some old vods with some really recent one : players are way better than before

On April 03 2017 00:00 Charoisaur wrote:

It's arguable whether the very top players are better now or in 2013-2015. (imo they were slightly better back then)
However the lower tier players (ro32 gsl) were much better back then, it's not even comparable. You see so many cringe-worthy mistakes in the early stages of GSL it's almost laughable.

On April 03 2017 01:05 kurosu_ wrote:
Cure (was allowed to) played?

On April 03 2017 01:10 Ej_ wrote:

the little Life did get to play LotV, he got manhandled in ZvT

e: happy bday, Alchemik

INnoVation has never been better than in 2013.

On April 03 2017 01:23 usopsama wrote:
I can't wait to milk those foreigner tears. The harvest will be glorious.

On April 03 2017 01:49 mizenhauer wrote:


Race representation only meant something when there where more than 32 legitimate players between the three races fighting for 32 spots. Back in 2013 Terrans got left out of Code S because the race was so disadvantaged that only a few people could make it work on that level. If the same imbalance was present now, all the Terrans who just qualified for Season 2 would still qualify because the competition isn't deep enough to force them out. Bottom line is, you can't even get 32 really "code s" players anymore. How is anyone going to get left out when that's the case? What happened here, and will continue to happen, is that the best 32 players players qualify regardless of race.

On April 03 2017 03:43 Olli wrote:


The "way more demanding" argument that people make is exactly what I looked at, because it's a misconception that everything is harder now. If you look at the TvZ ByuN played against Dark on KSS for example, all he had to do was micro against ling/bane, because mutas weren't a thing at that point in LotV. He had no counterattacks to worry about, no mutas killing his medivacs and making fights more difficult, etc.

So what exactly is more difficult here? Compare that to Taeja vs Life from BlizzCon 2014. Bio is still controlled exactly the way it used to be. Macro still works the same way as far as difficulty goes. Everything functions the same way, only that ByuN actually had far less to do than Taeja did, because there were no mutalisks on the map.

Some matchups are harder mechanically now, sure. PvP for example, although it's lost a ton of strategic depth for it. But the idea that everything is much harder now and that players are automatically better now because of it is absolute nonsense.

On April 03 2017 04:07 Olli wrote:


Opinions. Early game PvP alone had more strategical options than pretty much all of LotV does.

On April 03 2017 04:10 lechatnoir wrote:
Geez guys, do some of you even have an ounce of enjoyment left?

I do sort of wonder if that's inevitable for eSports.

On April 03 2017 04:43 pvsnp wrote:

I wouldn't say inevitable, since the KeSPA team environment fostered a fairly cyclic population where you had younger amateurs practicing with the best and improving while older pros gradually retired. It wasn't a perfect system because there was less and less new blood as Starcraft lost popularity and the player population shrank (vicious cycle), but it more or less worked.

Now that all of those teams have disbanded though, the situation for little-known amateurs and newcomers is really tough. I remember watching an interview (of Classic maybe?) where they were talking how the top-tier players are mostly alright but the second-tier ones are suffering.

For instance, if soO wants to practice his ZvT he can just call Inno and be like "Yo, you want to play some custom games?" Most of the guys at the top know each other very well (since they've all been competing with each other for years and years) so it's not at all hard for them to find good practice partners. But the ones lower on the food chain are hard out of luck since teamhouse trainees can't practice with teamhouse aces when there isn't a teamhouse.

Totally agree. Qualify is one thing but advance to later stage is totally different thing. Scarlett did qualify last season so she did it again is rather obvious. I'm glad to see Major did as well though.

I'm gonna be honest here so don't kill me but I don't see them advance to Ro16. I hope they do take WCS Circuit events seriously (especially Scarlett who failed to qualify WCS Austin though Challenger NA) because those events are where they may go far and win to get enough points to go to BlizzCon. Korean seasons are too top-heavy so they will never get close to Top 8 in ranking.

That's a good point, yeah. I wonder how StarCraft will look in a year or two without the teamhouse environments anymore. I've heard reports that the players from China do well on KR ladder but still get crushed in actual tournaments because most of the gitting gud is happening behind closed doors.

On April 03 2017 03:43 Olli wrote:


The "way more demanding" argument that people make is exactly what I looked at, because it's a misconception that everything is harder now. If you look at the TvZ ByuN played against Dark on KSS for example, all he had to do was micro against ling/bane, because mutas weren't a thing at that point in LotV. He had no counterattacks to worry about, no mutas killing his medivacs and making fights more difficult, etc.

So what exactly is more difficult here? Compare that to Taeja vs Life from BlizzCon 2014. Bio is still controlled exactly the way it used to be. Macro still works the same way as far as difficulty goes. Everything functions the same way, only that ByuN actually had far less to do than Taeja did, because there were no mutalisks on the map.

Some matchups are harder mechanically now, sure. PvP for example, although it's lost a ton of strategic depth for it. But the idea that everything is much harder now and that players are automatically better now because of it is absolute nonsense.

On April 03 2017 04:47 Olli wrote:
As far as counterattacks go, that just isn't true. ByuN had far less to do all over the map than TaeJa did. ByuN spent most of the game kiting ling/bane and ultras on the edge of creep. That's not harder than engaging ling/bane/muta and constantly dealing with mutas flying around.

As far as difficulty and skill goes, that's where opinions differ. Personally I think LotV is harder mechanically, but players are far less refined. I think as far as strategical diversity and complexity goes, LotV is a joke compared to HotS. Everything is centered way too much around the economy. The right "strategic" choice is always to maximize an economic lead, never to prioritize other aspects like tech or upgrades. Macro mechanics take far less skill to use now yet still aren't being utilized properly. The number of times I've seen chronoboost on "empty" buildings is insane.

Players now, despite the game in my opinion being strategically simple, are making strategic mistakes that players in 2014 would have been ashamed of. The game is much less forgiving but that doesn't make it harder, because it works both ways. You get a single power move off against your opponent's economy, you're likely winning the game. That means the winning player has less to do to create a game winning scenario.

And as far as mechanics go, I don't believe that players now are better mechanically than they used to be. That's my take, I genuinely think the only aspect that LotV is harder in is mechanics, and even that is debatable.

That means the winning player has less to do to create a game winning scenario.

On April 03 2017 05:02 pvsnp wrote:

No reason to be ashamed of honesty. I completely agree with your opinion; seeing somebody take advantage of a biased system (region lock is only one-way for some stupid reason) rubs me the wrong way.

As for how far they will go, bracket luck could allow Scarlett and Major to make it farther than we expect; in Season 1 Scarlett had a fairly easy group. I would say that Major will likely be eliminated in the Ro32, but Scarlett has a reasonable chance of making it to the Ro16. I would be very surprised if she makes it to the Ro8 however (would require some magical bracket luck) and astonished if she went farther than that.

And I believe Stats is allowed to choose his Ro32 opponent; both Scarlett and Major are probably near the top of his list so we might be seeing their end very soon.

On April 03 2017 04:47 Olli wrote:
As far as counterattacks go, that just isn't true. ByuN had far less to do all over the map than TaeJa did. ByuN spent most of the game kiting ling/bane and ultras on the edge of creep. That's not harder than engaging ling/bane/muta and constantly dealing with mutas flying around.

As far as difficulty and skill goes, that's where opinions differ. Personally I think LotV is harder mechanically, but players are far less refined. I think as far as strategical diversity and complexity goes, LotV is a joke compared to HotS. Everything is centered way too much around the economy. The right "strategic" choice is always to maximize an economic lead, never to prioritize other aspects like tech or upgrades. Macro mechanics take far less skill to use now yet still aren't being utilized properly. The number of times I've seen chronoboost on "empty" buildings is insane.

Players now, despite the game in my opinion being strategically simple, are making strategic mistakes that players in 2014 would have been ashamed of. The game is much less forgiving but that doesn't make it harder, because it works both ways. You get a single power move off against your opponent's economy, you're likely winning the game. That means the winning player has less to do to create a game winning scenario.

And as far as mechanics go, I don't believe that players now are better mechanically than they used to be. That's my take, I genuinely think the only aspect that LotV is harder in is mechanics, and even that is debatable.

i hope MajOr makes something happen...he's so much better than most foreigners, including some that have won premier tournaments in the past year....*cough*....Ptitdrogo...

maybe he can finally showcase his skill

chances are though, he'll disappoint

On April 03 2017 10:28 AssyrianKing wrote:
Happy Creator made it, sad Dream didn't

On April 03 2017 07:11 xtorn wrote:

comments like this is why i am disgusted of reading TL

When foreigners don't reach GSL at all, they are not capable enough
when foreigners do reach GSL, its because the amount of chlorine in Seoul's tap water reached abnormal levels suddenly and made all koreans dizzy


How about you try to compete in, ugh, anything, and when everyone spits on you on public forums for trying , then we see how you feel.

On April 03 2017 12:59 ParksonVN wrote:
Lets predict if either 1 of these 2 foreigners can make it to round of 16. I havent seen them playing recently but the Korean seem to be getting stronger.

Lets predict if either 1 of these 2 foreigners can make it to round of 16. I havent seen them playing recently but the Korean seem to be getting stronger.

On April 03 2017 12:59 ParksonVN wrote:
Lets predict if either 1 of these 2 foreigners can make it to round of 16. I havent seen them playing recently but the Korean seem to be getting stronger.

On April 03 2017 05:32 [PkF] Wire wrote:
I had big hopes SC2 would be great in HotS, mostly when it wasn't figured out. Then it began to be figured out and, one after the other, oracles and blink (PvT), SHs (all Z mus), blink/sentry (PvZ) and mech (TvZ) damaged the game beyond repair

On April 03 2017 17:08 BisuDagger wrote:
There are too many downers in ths thread. Who cares how difficult the qualifiers are. These two are going to be matched up against some ridiculously good players. Their achievement to get this far is great and anything beyond this will be amazing to see.

I see Sasha upsetting everyone when she takes out Inno. Grats to both Scarlett and Major, and that they do well in GSL

Last they played Scarlett won 2-0 actually.

If you can't handle the cheese, stay out of Scarlett's kitchen

On April 03 2017 04:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote:


You're the only one who thinks HotS PvP had strategic depth. It was complete garbage that came down to colossus deathballs headbutting. While some match-ups definitely got worse with LotV (most notably TvT) PvP ain't one of them.

On April 03 2017 04:07 Olli wrote:
Opinions. Early game PvP alone had more strategical options than pretty much all of LotV does.

On April 02 2017 20:45 Ej_ wrote:
Terran and Zerg so easy that foreigners made Code S.

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