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Mizenhauer
United States1919 Posts
On March 18 2017 02:14 cSc.Dav1oN wrote: damn, it would be impossibly hard to wake up 6 AM local time to watch  People from NA east coast like myself have been waking up at 4/5 am for years. I'll trade you the midnight start to get that time slot back. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 18 2017 02:18 Poopi wrote: Ryung beating Stats in a bo7 is a far greater upset are you joking? Like San beating Nestea in bo1? It's bo1, Nestea lost a ton of ZvP on ladder... Jjakji was not the favorite but it wasn't that big of an upset. Again bo3, groups of death happens, not a big upset. Jinro beating MC is quite an upset but MC was cheesy and in the same team iirc so Jinro "just" had to play it smart. TRUE beating Zest? Ok so what? When? DRG was the ZvT monster for a long time in WoL, him beating Bogus isn't especially an upset. TRUE beating Zest was a bigger upset for sure | ||
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Koromon
United States304 Posts
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Cricketer12
United States13994 Posts
On March 18 2017 00:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Not even close. Just a few off my head: - San beating NesTea even in a bo1 back in the day - Jjakji beating Leenock to win a gsl - PartinG not making it out of a group of Terrans at the end of HotS - Jinro beating MC twice to advance to the ro8 - TRUE destroying Zest in the ro8 with corruptor/queen/ling and perhaps my all-time favorite, because it was totally fucking epic: - DRG defeating Bogus in a bo3, all macro games That DRG series was the single greatest bo3 in history. Also I really pity the loser of this series... | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 18 2017 03:03 Charoisaur wrote: TRUE beating Zest was a bigger upset for sure With slow lings vs collosus. slow lings | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On March 18 2017 02:18 Poopi wrote: Ryung beating Stats in a bo7 is a far greater upset are you joking? Like San beating Nestea in bo1? It's bo1, Nestea lost a ton of ZvP on ladder... Jjakji was not the favorite but it wasn't that big of an upset. Again bo3, groups of death happens, not a big upset. Jinro beating MC is quite an upset but MC was cheesy and in the same team iirc so Jinro "just" had to play it smart. TRUE beating Zest? Ok so what? When? DRG was the ZvT monster for a long time in WoL, him beating Bogus isn't especially an upset. 1. I think you underestimate how much of a joke San was coming into that encounter. Also it was a drawn out macro game and NesTea probably lost a lot on ladder (he almost never streamed so who knows) but not offline, which is what the game was. 2. Are you kidding me? Jjakji beating Leenock was absurd and he did so in spectacular fashion. Leenock was the best ZvT at that point in time. He had just won MLG Providence coming from the open bracket, and recently defeated Mvp twice and MMA. Jjkaji had almost no TvZ data to back him and many were surprised he was even in a final. 3. Are you aware of PartinG's PvT record? Him not making it out of that group is like watching a shark get eaten by a pool of seals. 4. MC absolutely demolished Jinro 4-0 in the previous season so coming into the encounter it was seen as an even bigger mismatch than what you see here. 5. When did TRUE beat Zest? In the middle of 2014. In the year of Zest (second most dominant year ever). After Zest won a gsl. After Zest all-killed SKT. After Zest won the World Championship. After pretty much every Zerg before him (including soO and Soulkey) got rekt by Zest. That's when. 6. Yeah DRG was pretty sick in WoL, but this was in the early days of HotS, where DRG had pitiful results leading up to this encounter and was sadly looking to go the way of NesTea. Also consider, it had been month after month after month of Zergs being destroyed by Bogus. Bogus was so good at TvZ that going into a macro game against him was suicide. If he safely got 3 orbitals down, it felt like the Zerg was better off leaving the game. So for DRG of all people to show up one day and crush him at his own game was extraordinary. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13994 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: 1. I think you underestimate how much of a joke San was coming into that encounter. Also it was a drawn out macro game and NesTea probably lost a lot on ladder (he almost never streamed so who knows) but not offline, which is what the game was. 2. Are you kidding me? Jjakji beating Leenock was absurd and he did so in spectacular fashion. Leenock was the best ZvT at that point in time. He had just won MLG Providence coming from the open bracket, and recently defeated Mvp twice and MMA. Jjkaji had almost no TvZ data to back him and many were surprised he was even in a final. 3. Are you aware of PartinG's PvT record? Him not making it out of that group is like watching a shark get eaten by a pool of seals. 4. MC absolutely demolished Jinro 4-0 in the previous season so coming into the encounter it was seen as an even bigger mismatch than what you see here. 5. When did TRUE beat Zest? In the middle of 2014. In the year of Zest (second most dominant year ever). After Zest won a gsl. After Zest all-killed SKT. After Zest won the World Championship. After pretty much every Zerg before him (including soO and Soulkey) got rekt by Zest. That's when. 6. Yeah DRG was pretty sick in WoL, but this was in the early days of HotS, where DRG had pitiful results leading up to this encounter and was sadly looking to go the way of NesTea. Also consider, it had been month after month after month of Zergs being destroyed by Bogus. Bogus was so good at TvZ that going into a macro game against him was suicide. If he safely got 3 orbitals down, it felt like the Zerg was better off leaving the game. So for DRG of all people to show up one day and crush him at his own game was extraordinary. cannot believe you put all that effort into shutting down Poopi of all people | ||
Poopi
France12911 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: 1. I think you underestimate how much of a joke San was coming into that encounter. Also it was a drawn out macro game and NesTea probably lost a lot on ladder (he almost never streamed so who knows) but not offline, which is what the game was. 2. Are you kidding me? Jjakji beating Leenock was absurd and he did so in spectacular fashion. Leenock was the best ZvT at that point in time. He had just won MLG Providence coming from the open bracket, and recently defeated Mvp twice and MMA. Jjkaji had almost no TvZ data to back him and many were surprised he was even in a final. 3. Are you aware of PartinG's PvT record? Him not making it out of that group is like watching a shark get eaten by a pool of seals. 4. MC absolutely demolished Jinro 4-0 in the previous season so coming into the encounter it was seen as an even bigger mismatch than what you see here. 5. When did TRUE beat Zest? In the middle of 2014. In the year of Zest (second most dominant year ever). After Zest won a gsl. After Zest all-killed SKT. After Zest won the World Championship. After pretty much every Zerg before him (including soO and Soulkey) got rekt by Zest. That's when. 6. Yeah DRG was pretty sick in WoL, but this was in the early days of HotS, where DRG had pitiful results leading up to this encounter and was sadly looking to go the way of NesTea. Also consider, it had been month after month after month of Zergs being destroyed by Bogus. Bogus was so good at TvZ that going into a macro game against him was suicide. If he safely got 3 orbitals down, it felt like the Zerg was better off leaving the game. So for DRG of all people to show up one day and crush him at his own game was extraordinary. So basically only true vs Zest was a comparable upset, but ZvP was easier back then than TvP right now, and Ryung has even less chances than TRUE to win! | ||
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munch
Mute City2363 Posts
On March 18 2017 05:35 Poopi wrote: So basically only true vs Zest was a comparable upset, but ZvP was easier back then than TvP right now, and Ryung has even less chances than TRUE to win! They haven't even played yet, it's like saying that DRGLing winning GSL last year would have been the biggest upset in GSL history. This whole thread is confusing me | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On March 18 2017 04:58 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: 1. I think you underestimate how much of a joke San was coming into that encounter. Also it was a drawn out macro game and NesTea probably lost a lot on ladder (he almost never streamed so who knows) but not offline, which is what the game was. 2. Are you kidding me? Jjakji beating Leenock was absurd and he did so in spectacular fashion. Leenock was the best ZvT at that point in time. He had just won MLG Providence coming from the open bracket, and recently defeated Mvp twice and MMA. Jjkaji had almost no TvZ data to back him and many were surprised he was even in a final. 3. Are you aware of PartinG's PvT record? Him not making it out of that group is like watching a shark get eaten by a pool of seals. 4. MC absolutely demolished Jinro 4-0 in the previous season so coming into the encounter it was seen as an even bigger mismatch than what you see here. 5. When did TRUE beat Zest? In the middle of 2014. In the year of Zest (second most dominant year ever). After Zest won a gsl. After Zest all-killed SKT. After Zest won the World Championship. After pretty much every Zerg before him (including soO and Soulkey) got rekt by Zest. That's when. 6. Yeah DRG was pretty sick in WoL, but this was in the early days of HotS, where DRG had pitiful results leading up to this encounter and was sadly looking to go the way of NesTea. Also consider, it had been month after month after month of Zergs being destroyed by Bogus. Bogus was so good at TvZ that going into a macro game against him was suicide. If he safely got 3 orbitals down, it felt like the Zerg was better off leaving the game. So for DRG of all people to show up one day and crush him at his own game was extraordinary. the PartinG 1 is not true, at the time that group took place, he had already been not playing much SC2 (iirc he cruised through ro32 on full chill and didn't really care) | ||
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Poopi
France12911 Posts
Of course Natural beating Stats in bo7 in GSL ro4 would be a bigger upset than Ryung but he'll struggle to even qualify for code S. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16062 Posts
On March 18 2017 05:42 Ej_ wrote: the PartinG 1 is not true, at the time that group took place, he had already been not playing much SC2 (iirc he cruised through ro32 on full chill and didn't really care) Also not advancing out of a group with Flash, INnoVation and Gumiho isn't a very surprising thing, no matter how insane your vsT record is. Also a bo1/bo3 upset isn't nearly as much of an upset as a bo7 upset. Ryung beating Stats would definitely be top 3 upset for me. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
Not even worth getting up to watch, unless you are a huge fan of Stats or really really believe in Ryung. | ||
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quirinus
Croatia2489 Posts
On March 17 2017 23:18 zealotstim wrote: Question is can  Stats keep up that level of play for this long? I think he can, but there's always a chance Ryung makes it.Stats was a beastly consistent player in the BW proleague. Even if Flash failed, Stats would get a win. I couldn't believe some of his wins. He'd win by either playing pretty much immaculately, or winning from far behind by doing everything perfectly, move by move, and slowly coming back. The only reason he wasn't as known is because his starleague results were lagging behind his proleague ones, but anyone who followed proleague knew he was a monster. It seems he finally got himself together and applied the same logic to a starleague format. I'm really happy for him, since he's probably my favorite protoss player from BW and SC2. I don't doubt he's here to stay at the top. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8245 Posts
On March 18 2017 00:35 Olli wrote: Retired man Taeja knocking out GSL champion Zest One of the best moments in GSL history. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States13994 Posts
Not nearly as good as me correctly predicting that group | ||
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therabit
795 Posts
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Togekiss
Canada154 Posts
Here's to hoping Ryung really gets an honest shot at a finals vs soO! | ||
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verecunda
Korea (South)121 Posts
Also, great preview as always - it's really interesting how Stats and Ryung's images have changed since the last year. | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On March 18 2017 00:35 Olli wrote: Retired man Taeja knocking out GSL champion Zest Taeja has the gift of making Zest look like an idiot tho. | ||
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