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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:22 Ej_ wrote: https://us.battle.net/forums/en/sc2/topic/20752570583 they are consdering less idiotic maps now Cactus Valley tho... RNG in ZvT and ZvP nightmare The proposed changes looked to be rotating out Galactic Process, New Gettysburg, and Apotheosis with Belshir Vestige, Newkirk Precinct, and Cactus Valley. | ||
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Topin
Peru10055 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
I veto every 4p maps anyway so this is looking much better than apotheosis-galactic-gettysburg, glad they changed | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:40 Topin wrote: was Cactus Valley the last map between JD and Dear? at BlizzCon 2013??? Cactus Valley entered the map pool in 2015 | ||
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Topin
Peru10055 Posts
hahaha thx! i was getting confused with Akilon Wastes, another desert map xD | ||
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icesergio
Italy31 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:07 J. Corsair wrote: I can't believe the whining. For once Terran is in a good place against Protoss and Protoss players just resort to whining. Everything was fine when you could adept shade into all 3 terran bases and kill 30 scvs with 6-8 adepts, right? Forcing the terran player to multi-task like bajeezus while you sit back and macro some more. Now that Protoss is forced to multi-task as well it's suddenly a huge issue. Zerg players didn't moan nearly as much when they were considered underpowered towards the beginning of LOTV. People mentioning a Byun vs Stats match as evidence Terran is too strong? Byun is literally the BEST Terran player in the world, of course he's going to make the race look good. The fact is, there is only a handful of Terran players capable of doing what these guys do with Terran, the rest struggle. Both Zerg and Protoss, as long as they have free supply, larvae and resources can insta-max. Don't forget that nice tidbit as well, If you lost 30 scvs to 6 adepts, which means an average of 2 adepts per base well then congratulations /s Multi task? What multi tasking do you expect to do against a terran who parks outside your ramp and rallies stuff across the map while you watch minerals go up and unable to spend them because EVERY single protoss unit apart from the zealot, which was made completely useless without charge, costs vespene gas, and a lot of it. Want to rush blink to defend? Gas. Sentries? Gas. Stalkers? Gas. Immortals are pretty cheap on the gas but 200/100 for robo tech and 250/100 for one immortal isn't exactly cheap. Meanwhile you just need 250 gas for two tanks, 150 for one lib, and 50 for a reactor on the rax. GG Terran can expand, upgrade and macro all while keeping the protoss inside his main. Even if a warp prism comes out the harass will be shut down by one-two widow mines or a tank to protect scvs And if the rush doesn't continue and toss manages to break through, terran will have such a big lead in macro and supply, by the time toss saturates the natural a big force of 1/1 MMM is knocking on the door. But hey, you're a terran player, I don't expect much from you. All I know is that the toss players will train against all odds and if/when the game gets balanced (maybe in a year) we'll be all so used to your bullshit that you'll just get steamrolled. Enjoy your months of glory  | ||
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Elentos
55511 Posts
I can't be the only one who thinks the only reason they're considering Newkirk is that Showtime vs Serral game from NationWars. I guess Bel'Shir wasn't a terrible map, but it was in the map pool for soooooooooo long back then that I have no desire to ever play on it again (similarly to some of the current maps). I have no idea why they think Newkirk is a good map. But I'm totally okay with Cactus Valley returning. | ||
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Solar424
United States4001 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15920 Posts
Quite funny how people always complained about blizzard being garbage at creating/picking maps and then Apotheosis - a community made map that got picked for the TLMC and ends up as the highest voted macro map - turns out to be a complete disaster balance wise. I guess the community isn't much better at this than blizzard. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On January 11 2017 06:13 Charoisaur wrote: I'm not a fan of cactus valley and I think galactic process deserves another season (if reapers get fixed ofc) but I'm glad apotedosis is gone. Quite funny how people always complained about blizzard being garbage at creating/picking maps and then Apotheosis - a community made map that got picked for the TLMC and ends up as the highest voted macro map - turns out to be a complete disaster balance wise. I guess the community isn't much better at this than blizzard. I mean it's the same community who blames balance for every loss. Although the fact that apotheosis got in the map pool in the first place was fine, the problem here is that a clearly imbalanced map after months of pro games still got reintroduced. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15920 Posts
But another season with KSS, Daybreak or Overgrowth would be great too. Or cloud kingdom. | ||
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Tosster
Poland299 Posts
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insitelol
845 Posts
And btw, remove + shield damage on mines and nerf liberators, pvt is getting out of hand. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
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paralleluniverse
4065 Posts
On January 11 2017 06:13 Charoisaur wrote: I'm not a fan of cactus valley and I think galactic process deserves another season (if reapers get fixed ofc) but I'm glad apotedosis is gone. Quite funny how people always complained about blizzard being garbage at creating/picking maps and then Apotheosis - a community made map that got picked for the TLMC and ends up as the highest voted macro map - turns out to be a complete disaster balance wise. I guess the community isn't much better at this than blizzard. Exactly. I'm fine with Galactic Process and New Gettysburg. They are in fact better than the 3 replacement suggestions and should be retained. The problem is Apotheosis, which must be replaced, maybe by Bel'Shir or a different map. | ||
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VitalPoint
3 Posts
On January 11 2017 05:55 icesergio wrote: If you lost 30 scvs to 6 adepts, which means an average of 2 adepts per base well then congratulations /s Multi task? What multi tasking do you expect to do against a terran who parks outside your ramp and rallies stuff across the map while you watch minerals go up and unable to spend them because EVERY single protoss unit apart from the zealot, which was made completely useless without charge, costs vespene gas, and a lot of it. Want to rush blink to defend? Gas. Sentries? Gas. Stalkers? Gas. Immortals are pretty cheap on the gas but 200/100 for robo tech and 250/100 for one immortal isn't exactly cheap. Meanwhile you just need 250 gas for two tanks, 150 for one lib, and 50 for a reactor on the rax. GG Terran can expand, upgrade and macro all while keeping the protoss inside his main. Even if a warp prism comes out the harass will be shut down by one-two widow mines or a tank to protect scvs And if the rush doesn't continue and toss manages to break through, terran will have such a big lead in macro and supply, by the time toss saturates the natural a big force of 1/1 MMM is knocking on the door. But hey, you're a terran player, I don't expect much from you. All I know is that the toss players will train against all odds and if/when the game gets balanced (maybe in a year) we'll be all so used to your bullshit that you'll just get steamrolled. Enjoy your months of glory The minimal nerf won't change much for you. #goldleagueproblems User was warned for this post | ||
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jimjimmie
13 Posts
then you will get to know mass banelings kill everything. i suggest you raise the price of baneling. | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On January 11 2017 16:34 avilo wrote: Hydralisks do not need a buff. Mech doesn't need to be viable. | ||
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icesergio
Italy31 Posts
On January 11 2017 17:01 VitalPoint wrote: The minimal nerf won't change much for you. #goldleagueproblems Strange, you know nothing about me, yet you comment #goldleagueproblems 1. Being in gold is great, it means you have learned your race om enough to play decently 2. Gold, bronze, what does it matter? Everyone has the right to have fun and as such everyone's opinion should be taken into consideration 3. I am actually plat, hit dia and working towards getting back into it, so with your permission, I'd say I'm not exactly the newcomer here 4. You were the one who said you lost 30scvs to 6 adepts, so I guess #woodleagueproblems | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1721 Posts
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