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neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 16 2016 21:52 GMT
#41
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.

neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 16 2016 21:56 GMT
#42
On December 17 2016 03:27 Luolis wrote:
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On December 17 2016 03:20 Gwavajuice wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.



Dude, he was in germany... one of the worst place for food on earth. Would have been different if he had been in Italy, Greece of France...

I wouldn't say Germany is terrible for food :D



Compared to UK or somewhere in north Europe...may be not...:D
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 17 2016 00:08 GMT
#43
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



C'mon, I do enjoy Korean or Japanese food and I can see how one can rate it higher than French or Italian, though by no means I can see anyone saying that such food is just "acceptable". And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
December 17 2016 00:23 GMT
#44
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



i need to invite you for dinner ! any french dish could make you change your opinion :p
<;o)
Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 00:41:17
December 17 2016 00:35 GMT
#45
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:

And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


This patronising.

I do not think myself gourmet, but Chinese cusine underwhelms that of European? What a taste.

I'd say, to each their own, so just respect other's.
"Morality is simply the attitude we adopt towards people we personally dislike"
NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
December 17 2016 00:49 GMT
#46
On December 17 2016 09:35 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:

And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


This patronising.

I do not think myself gourmet, but Chinese cusine underwhelms that of European? What a taste.

I'd say, to each their own, so just respect other's.


As a Vietnamese myself, I think that our Asian food has more variety in terms of flavor, smell, seasoning, taste, etc and it's way richer than European food, living here for almost 2 years. My opinion, however, just might be biased to it should be taken as a grant of salt, because what kind of food he like or doesn't like literally don't affect any of us
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atrox_
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1710 Posts
December 17 2016 01:32 GMT
#47
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



C'mon, I do enjoy Korean or Japanese food and I can see how one can rate it higher than French or Italian, though by no means I can see anyone saying that such food is just "acceptable". And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


Chinese food is in no way underwhelming. Though, at the root of it taste is all subjective so what does it matter what one guy has said about what he likes
N30Z
Profile Joined June 2016
19 Posts
December 17 2016 02:13 GMT
#48
great read.
I like that he mentions, "getting adjusted to the game."
Adjustments are always needed!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
December 17 2016 04:31 GMT
#49
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.
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Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 02:20:36
December 17 2016 04:41 GMT
#50
There is a wide variety of Chinese cuisines that are very different from each other, one can not just say "Chinese food". Personally I have had some that was very weak and bland and other completely different stuff that was amazing.

Also keep in mind that Koreans are more obsessed about their national cuisine than any other country is.
Swing away sOs, swing away.
verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 04:58:31
December 17 2016 04:57 GMT
#51
Well, he's not talking about cultural superiority or comparing cuisines or anything like that. It's just that when you're jetlagged, sometimes all you want is familiar comfort food.
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 17 2016 12:30 GMT
#52
On December 17 2016 09:23 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



i need to invite you for dinner ! any french dish could make you change your opinion :p


Sorry about forgetting French food, which is rated one of the best in the world.

I might be biased when I commented. Since I have been living in Germany for nearly a decade and really desperate to find anything near "delicious", the impression of European food is vastly degraded....

What I want to say is that I can totally understand why the European food (ok. let's change it into German food) is rated terrible by Stats. He just spoke about his feeling, the same as most of the guys from far-east, no more no less.
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 17 2016 12:52 GMT
#53
On December 17 2016 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.



Not only programmers, I think it is a general issue. The world is immense. Getting used to the local food needs quite sometime, if your local food is in totally different category to where you visit.

Europeans may have less trouble in eating when they travel, since the whole American is at least partially influenced by Europeans due to immigrants in the past. For Oceania, the same story. They would always find something similar in taste. But visiting Asian is different. I have heard my German colleagues were crying for hard bread and never felt comfortable during their trip to Bali.

Versa vice, to adjust to the European taste for Asian is as difficult.
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 16:19:18
December 17 2016 16:18 GMT
#54
On December 17 2016 21:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.



Not only programmers, I think it is a general issue. The world is immense. Getting used to the local food needs quite sometime, if your local food is in totally different category to where you visit.

Europeans may have less trouble in eating when they travel, since the whole American is at least partially influenced by Europeans due to immigrants in the past. For Oceania, the same story. They would always find something similar in taste. But visiting Asian is different. I have heard my German colleagues were crying for hard bread and never felt comfortable during their trip to Bali.

Versa vice, to adjust to the European taste for Asian is as difficult.


You are so right !
I get used really easily to any kind of cuisine, and sometimes love it. But everytime i travel for more than few days i come to really miss a good slice of bread (and cheese).
That becomes really hard tu handle after one good week :D
<;o)
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
December 17 2016 17:14 GMT
#55
great interview, enjoyed reading

Until recently I thought about (P)Stats as the most boring pro-player around but he made me change my mind.

especially that crazy game on New Gettysburg where he out "sOs'd" (P)sOs in carrier vs carrier game was highlight of 2016
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
December 17 2016 17:36 GMT
#56
perhaps he said that the Taketv crew is just beeing bad at cooking not european food overall. And from korean adds you could get the image the main food is chicken wings so you should be able to find something similiar
TY my boy gogo
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 17 2016 18:19 GMT
#57
On December 18 2016 02:36 zakadar wrote:
perhaps he said that the Taketv crew is just beeing bad at cooking not european food overall. And from korean adds you could get the image the main food is chicken wings so you should be able to find something similiar

Korean chicken is the best.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 17 2016 19:02 GMT
#58
TakeTV chicken wings confirmed to be lacking.
gg no re
lagcats
Profile Joined February 2016
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 03:04:44
December 18 2016 03:04 GMT
#59
raw interview for sure. Nice read
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 23 2016 23:13 GMT
#60
Loved that ending.

"yeah.. fighting!". Perfect.
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