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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33605 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 00:50:49
December 16 2016 00:16 GMT
#1
Eight-year StarCraft veteran (P)Stats had a breakout year in 2016, winning the Korean Cross Finals and finishing in the top four of the WCS Global Finals. I caught up with the newly teamless Stats at IEM Gyeonggi to try and talk about WCS 2017. He hadn't read the actual announcement, so we ended up talking mostly about drinking.

*This interview has been edited and rearranged for clarity


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Photo: R1CH


Waxangel: How have you been since BlizzCon?

Stats: I’ve been well after BlizzCon. But because IEM matches were coming not long after in mid-December, I only took one or two days off before getting right back into practice.

You told me you didn’t give WCS 2017 a close look yet. In that case, could you point out some issues with 2016? What could have been improved for Korea?

I haven’t really thought about those kind of things deeply. If I have a game ahead of me, then I have a game. We had Proleague in 2016—it’s nice to have a lot of individual leagues, but even if you didn’t get to play in them, you could keep busy by preparing for Proleague. I’ve always kept myself busy that way, so I don’t know really know about problems with the format.

Is there a kind of awkwardness between the players regarding retirement? Like, wanting to retire, but then thinking about the prize money in a smaller pool of players.

I’ve told the guys who were considering retirement, that all the time you put in, and all the skill you built up in StarCraft, it would be a shame if you retired now. I’ve tried to convince people not to retire.

A lot of people retired before the 2016 season as well. Do you think the level of the game itself is still high?

I think the level of the game is very high. What should I call it, maybe ‘adjusting’ to the game? In the case of StarCraft II, it takes a lot of time to adjust to the game. It’s a difficult game to get into and bring up your skill level quickly.

Did you think about going back to Brood War? Some of your ex-teammates are doing that.

I did think about it. But I still think StarCraft II is more fun—I say that not having played Brood War at all recently—but I do enjoy playing StarCraft II more right now. So I haven’t really considered changing games seriously.

Why do you think StarCraft II is more fun? Does it fit you better?

There’s some of that, but I think in StarCraft II, the more I’ve played, the more I’ve figured out how things work, the cause and effect of things. I feel like I can keep perfecting and optimizing my game by working harder, so the game is fun to me.

You’re looking to join a foreign team right now. What are you looking for from a team? Do you have a lot of demands, or are you willing to join anyone?

A few teams contacted me after I sent out a tweet recently, and I was very thankful for that. However, I received a salary when I was on a KeSPA team, and there’s a certain level of salary I’m looking for…

It’s hard for them to meet that.

Yeah, it seems so. So I’m still looking.

Let’s try and make a pitch. What are your strengths as a player? “Highly skilled.”

*Laughs* I’m diligent, and I practice very hard *laughs*

But everyone says that. What do you think sets you apart from others?

I think, strangely, I play a lot better in tournaments.

A big game player?

Yeah, I think I’m strong at broadcast games, tournament games.

So you’re going to win a championship in 2017 for sure then, right?

Obviously, I always work hard with a championship as my goal. If I keep working hard and preparing like this, why wouldn't I reach that goal?

Do you think your playstyle is boring?

I do think so a lot, personally. Looking at the big picture, I want to say that’s a part of the Protoss race as a whole. But I can’t really complain, because not all Protoss players are like that… sOs… He’s so good in a weird way, so I don’t have any excuses.

You’re undoubtedly an excellent pro at the in-game portion of StarCraft. But to attract a foreign team, you have to be good at out-of-game things as well. What kind of effort are you making in that area?

You have to know English if you want to interact with international fans, so I’m planning on studying English in 2017.

Do you plan to stream for foreign fans via twitch, like soO?

Of course I plan to do so. However, I have some games ahead of me, and some things that I haven’t prepared yet. But once I’m ready, I’ll begin, early next year at the absolutely latest.

When you were with KeSPA, you sort of had a “boring” image. But I’ve heard you’re quite different in real life…

All the players who had to suffer living with me say that I’m amusing.

Do you think some of that will come out via Twitch?

I don’t think so at first, but if I keep at it, I think those aspects will start coming out.

How was HomeStory Cup?

It was great. It was the first time I experienced that atmosphere, with a party, practice, and tournament games going on in the same place. All the gamers are in such close quarters, talking to each other. It was a good chance to become closer with foreign pros, and also the Korean pros I came with,

Are there any foreign players you’re close with?

I remember two guys. A German player DnS—I only had a low MMR ID to practice on for Europe, so he lent me his ladder ID to practice on. Also, I remember Zanster, who came to me and said “we have to drink.”

Did you?

I did, but Zanster wasn’t there at the time. I saw him again when I was already drunk. He asked me if I was okay, if I had drank a lot. So he gave me water and tried to take care of me.

This isn’t about HSC, but I also remember Neeb from BlizzCon. When he first saw me, he came up to me and said “big fan!” and told me he was a fan of mine. So I was thankful for that.

Did you guys drink a lot? I saw a lot of Twitter photos of the aftermath.

Yeah. Stephano, he came up to me and said “I’m buying all these drinks, so why aren’t you, too?” So I said it’s because I don’t have any money on me right now. aLive was next to me at the time, and he said “hey I have 50 euros on me right now, you want to borrow it?” even though he didn’t have to mention that… So I took that and bought what, tequila, vodka, jaegerbombs? And we all had a toast.

I’ve heard from foreigners that Korean players can’t drink much. Is that so?

That’s true. They’re so good at drinking. Lambo, he taught me the technique to drinking a lot. He said you have to hold your breath while you’re drinking, and then start breathing again as you drink some chaser like red bull. But it really worked, it made liquor really drinkable. So I took four shots in a row after that, and I was fine at the time. But 30 minutes later, I was gone *laughs*

Was it weird, the drinking culture in Europe? Because in Korea, you always have food with alcohol.

I don’t drink much in Korea anyway. Even if there’s something getting me down, I don’t go drink like some other players might. I really enjoyed drinking in Europe; I don’t know that the culture was so different, it was just a lot of fun.

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.

So you’re the type of player who always takes ramen, and the other Korean food when you travel.

Yes, always.

Did you meet any fans at HSC?

Yes, fans were inside, looking around. There were some fans who were talking a lot, so it was really unfortunate that my English wasn’t up to having longer conversations. I just had some short chats. Some really polite people would translate on their phones and show us what they meant.

Who was the most popular?

I think Zest and TY were the most popular.

Were you envious?

Definitely, I thought I needed to work harder *laughs*

Foreigners did well at KeSPA Cup and BlizzCon, but they got crushed at HSC. What do you think about the skill gap?

I think the gap has definitely narrowed. I think it was because foreign players weren’t able to adjust to the recent patch. I think in a few months they’ll all have adapted and be able to play fun games against Korean players.

So you think in the global tournaments next year, foreigners have a shot at winning?

Yes, they’re clearly players you have to be wary about.

Let’s end by giving foreign teams your official sales pitch.

One of the best Protoss players is a bum right now. Pick him up already, please.

One of the best? Who’s the best Protoss now?

M….me?

How about something in English to wrap up?

Hi.

I’m Stats.

Yeah.

*laughs*

Fighting.

*laughs*


You can send Stats your offers via Twitter at @SC2_Stats
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iSometric
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
2221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 00:23:59
December 16 2016 00:19 GMT
#2
Obviously

[image loading]


Nice to get an interesting interview out of the Chintoss
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iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
December 16 2016 00:27 GMT
#3
looks like an interesting guy. stats' mention of a salary makes me wonder how much of a salary sc2 pros have on a foreign team, and how much the old korean teams gave them. Lots of good insight. If a lot of the korean pros take the perspective of stats, we could have a lot of interesting streams and english interactions. It's a little hopeful though
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Mier19891
Profile Joined May 2015
United States75 Posts
December 16 2016 00:32 GMT
#4
I don't know if its just me, but it feels like a lot of these great players have come out of their shells a little bit since leaving Kespa's umbrella. Bit of a silver lining at least. Great interview!
munch
Profile Joined July 2014
Mute City2363 Posts
December 16 2016 00:37 GMT
#5
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oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
December 16 2016 00:53 GMT
#6
On December 16 2016 09:19 iSometric wrote:
Obviously

[image loading]


Nice to get an interesting interview out of the Chintoss

I thought the chintoss was classic
I like starcraft
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 16 2016 01:01 GMT
#7
Thank you for the interview
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
December 16 2016 01:01 GMT
#8
Good interview! Personally i would prefer more follow up questions to certain answers players give, but still enjoyed it quite a lot.
Poor Stats, has to be hard to always be in the shadow of other players (not even necessarily skill wise)
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Mahanaim
Profile Joined December 2012
Korea (South)1002 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 01:06:53
December 16 2016 01:06 GMT
#9
So loveable <3333
Reading this automatically made me a bigger fan of Stats <3333

And thanks to Wax once again for a very cool interview!
Celebrating Starcraft since... a long time ago.
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5532 Posts
December 16 2016 01:13 GMT
#10
Haha...where can I find these twitter pics??
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Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28528 Posts
December 16 2016 01:14 GMT
#11
Best Protoss indeed but people vote Zest for nation wars unfortunately
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Executer08
Profile Joined June 2015
Germany163 Posts
December 16 2016 01:22 GMT
#12
DnS is french and not german, right!?

also *laughs*

Fighting.

*laughs*

made me laugh too :D
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Shield
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bulgaria4824 Posts
December 16 2016 01:24 GMT
#13

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.
SC2Towelie
Profile Joined July 2014
United States561 Posts
December 16 2016 01:34 GMT
#14
"I did, but Zanster wasn’t there at the time. I saw him again when I was already drunk. He asked me if I was okay, if I had drank a lot. So he gave me water and tried to take care of me."

Wow nice guy Zanster to the rescue :D
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Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 02:40:29
December 16 2016 01:43 GMT
#15
yooo Stats!

Guy really deserves a lot more love.
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EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
December 16 2016 01:45 GMT
#16
great interview! love that be brings his food
TonyPwny
Profile Joined January 2015
Germany1 Post
December 16 2016 02:36 GMT
#17
Amazing Interview. Thank you very much for making it!
verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 04:54:51
December 16 2016 03:00 GMT
#18
This is an amazing interview, one of the best I've read. I especially liked the insight into his work ethic (practice for the game ahead of you) and the HSC backstory of course. Great guy Zanster for taking care of him

I've gone to Stats' fan meetings a few times and he struck me as a very witty and humble guy, this interview really brings out his personality.
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
December 16 2016 03:01 GMT
#19
Thank you for the interview. Great read!
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MushinSSC
Profile Joined April 2016
31 Posts
December 16 2016 03:02 GMT
#20
Nice guy!
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
December 16 2016 03:13 GMT
#21
On December 16 2016 10:13 jimminy_kriket wrote:
Haha...where can I find these twitter pics??

https://twitter.com/Splyce_Solar somewhere around 22nd of November
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JuanDi
Profile Joined February 2016
45 Posts
December 16 2016 03:28 GMT
#22
On December 16 2016 09:53 oGoZenob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 09:19 iSometric wrote:
Obviously

[image loading]


Nice to get an interesting interview out of the Chintoss

I thought the chintoss was classic


originally it was stats, but he got surgery to get rid of it, and classic got the title with the newer and foreign fans
TheHumanLife
Profile Joined September 2016
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-16 04:19:07
December 16 2016 04:18 GMT
#23
many top protoss, but probably Stats is the one who is currently closet to no.1 protoss I personally think.
Ansinjunger
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2451 Posts
December 16 2016 04:27 GMT
#24
I'll be cheering for Stats a lot more now. This was a fun read.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
December 16 2016 04:48 GMT
#25
This is an excellent interview.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
December 16 2016 05:20 GMT
#26
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


I don't think this is something to actually get mad about...
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18636 Posts
December 16 2016 05:57 GMT
#27
LMAO.
Even Stats himself says he is better at broadcasted games than in practice. XD
So no wonder the coaches never chose him for ace.
KappaKingPrime
Profile Joined May 2014
United States468 Posts
December 16 2016 06:58 GMT
#28
I had fun reading this, thanks!
ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3491 Posts
December 16 2016 08:26 GMT
#29
Many fun highlights in this one. He seems like an intelligent player with a good mindset.
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Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
December 16 2016 08:48 GMT
#30
Stats seems like cool guy, would love to hang out with him.
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Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4967 Posts
December 16 2016 10:41 GMT
#31
ROFL those koreans acting like teenagers experimenting with alcohol, hope they dont ladder up to more serious drugs :p
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Sawamura
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Malaysia7602 Posts
December 16 2016 14:08 GMT
#32
Ah stats and flash use be the best combo on kt rolster bw proleague . It's great he is having success in Sc2 hope he continues to do so . Stats fighting go for it dude.
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Jj_82
Profile Joined December 2012
Swaziland419 Posts
December 16 2016 15:46 GMT
#33
Super! Thank you for posting!
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QMCloud
Profile Joined June 2016
29 Posts
December 16 2016 16:08 GMT
#34
Nice guy, nice interview. Stats deserves more than what he currently got.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
December 16 2016 16:45 GMT
#35
On December 17 2016 01:08 QMCloud wrote:
Nice guy, nice interview. Stats deserves more than what he currently got.

Even as recently as blizzcon when he was uneqivocally top 1 toss he still got the no name korean treatment...
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RainmanMP
Profile Joined October 2007
United States1698 Posts
December 16 2016 16:55 GMT
#36
Great interview. Someone has to pick him up!
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Gwavajuice
Profile Joined June 2014
France1810 Posts
December 16 2016 18:20 GMT
#37
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.



Dude, he was in germany... one of the worst place for food on earth. Would have been different if he had been in Italy, Greece of France...
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Luolis
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Finland7170 Posts
December 16 2016 18:27 GMT
#38
On December 17 2016 03:20 Gwavajuice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.



Dude, he was in germany... one of the worst place for food on earth. Would have been different if he had been in Italy, Greece of France...

I wouldn't say Germany is terrible for food :D
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Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
December 16 2016 18:34 GMT
#39
"But everyone says that. What do you think sets you apart from others?"

Shouldn't this be bold?
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Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
December 16 2016 19:28 GMT
#40
incredible interview

thanks a lot for that !
<;o)
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 16 2016 21:52 GMT
#41
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.

neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 16 2016 21:56 GMT
#42
On December 17 2016 03:27 Luolis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 03:20 Gwavajuice wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.



Dude, he was in germany... one of the worst place for food on earth. Would have been different if he had been in Italy, Greece of France...

I wouldn't say Germany is terrible for food :D



Compared to UK or somewhere in north Europe...may be not...:D
Lebesgue
Profile Joined October 2008
4542 Posts
December 17 2016 00:08 GMT
#43
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



C'mon, I do enjoy Korean or Japanese food and I can see how one can rate it higher than French or Italian, though by no means I can see anyone saying that such food is just "acceptable". And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
December 17 2016 00:23 GMT
#44
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



i need to invite you for dinner ! any french dish could make you change your opinion :p
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Thouhastmail
Profile Joined March 2015
Korea (North)876 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 00:41:17
December 17 2016 00:35 GMT
#45
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:

And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


This patronising.

I do not think myself gourmet, but Chinese cusine underwhelms that of European? What a taste.

I'd say, to each their own, so just respect other's.
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NinjaToss
Profile Blog Joined October 2015
Austria1383 Posts
December 17 2016 00:49 GMT
#46
On December 17 2016 09:35 Thouhastmail wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:

And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


This patronising.

I do not think myself gourmet, but Chinese cusine underwhelms that of European? What a taste.

I'd say, to each their own, so just respect other's.


As a Vietnamese myself, I think that our Asian food has more variety in terms of flavor, smell, seasoning, taste, etc and it's way richer than European food, living here for almost 2 years. My opinion, however, just might be biased to it should be taken as a grant of salt, because what kind of food he like or doesn't like literally don't affect any of us
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Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1711 Posts
December 17 2016 01:32 GMT
#47
On December 17 2016 09:08 Lebesgue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



C'mon, I do enjoy Korean or Japanese food and I can see how one can rate it higher than French or Italian, though by no means I can see anyone saying that such food is just "acceptable". And Chinese food is pretty damn underwhelming compared to Italian, French, Greek. Or even German/Austrian.


Chinese food is in no way underwhelming. Though, at the root of it taste is all subjective so what does it matter what one guy has said about what he likes
N30Z
Profile Joined June 2016
19 Posts
December 17 2016 02:13 GMT
#48
great read.
I like that he mentions, "getting adjusted to the game."
Adjustments are always needed!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33605 Posts
December 17 2016 04:31 GMT
#49
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.
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Korakys
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
New Zealand272 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 02:20:36
December 17 2016 04:41 GMT
#50
There is a wide variety of Chinese cuisines that are very different from each other, one can not just say "Chinese food". Personally I have had some that was very weak and bland and other completely different stuff that was amazing.

Also keep in mind that Koreans are more obsessed about their national cuisine than any other country is.
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verecunda
Profile Joined July 2015
Korea (South)121 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 04:58:31
December 17 2016 04:57 GMT
#51
Well, he's not talking about cultural superiority or comparing cuisines or anything like that. It's just that when you're jetlagged, sometimes all you want is familiar comfort food.
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 17 2016 12:30 GMT
#52
On December 17 2016 09:23 Ppjack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 06:52 neilmellor wrote:
On December 16 2016 10:24 Shield wrote:

How was the food?

Obviously it was terrible.


What a twat. How is European food terrible? You could say you're not used to it, but it's far from terrible. Even though I don't want to summarise European food, does no one eat spaghetti, pizza, baguettes, etc? Come on.


European food can be rated as terrible by Chinese, Japanese and Korean. No doubt about it. The best comment you can get is "acceptable", considering the limited cocking style / technique and the constrained variety of meat / vegetables / ingredients.

I can concede that European food may be more nutritious and healthy to some extent, especially the treatment of vegetables as salad. But more delicious than food from east Asia? No way.



i need to invite you for dinner ! any french dish could make you change your opinion :p


Sorry about forgetting French food, which is rated one of the best in the world.

I might be biased when I commented. Since I have been living in Germany for nearly a decade and really desperate to find anything near "delicious", the impression of European food is vastly degraded....

What I want to say is that I can totally understand why the European food (ok. let's change it into German food) is rated terrible by Stats. He just spoke about his feeling, the same as most of the guys from far-east, no more no less.
neilmellor
Profile Joined December 2010
China49 Posts
December 17 2016 12:52 GMT
#53
On December 17 2016 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.



Not only programmers, I think it is a general issue. The world is immense. Getting used to the local food needs quite sometime, if your local food is in totally different category to where you visit.

Europeans may have less trouble in eating when they travel, since the whole American is at least partially influenced by Europeans due to immigrants in the past. For Oceania, the same story. They would always find something similar in taste. But visiting Asian is different. I have heard my German colleagues were crying for hard bread and never felt comfortable during their trip to Bali.

Versa vice, to adjust to the European taste for Asian is as difficult.
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-17 16:19:18
December 17 2016 16:18 GMT
#54
On December 17 2016 21:52 neilmellor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2016 13:31 Waxangel wrote:
When he says the food in Europe is "obviously" bad, there's like an implicit understanding that Korean progamers generally have trouble eating local cuisine. Even outside StarCraft, Korean pros travel with a lot of food that would be considered "junk" in Korea, just because they have a very hard time eating food from other cultures.



Not only programmers, I think it is a general issue. The world is immense. Getting used to the local food needs quite sometime, if your local food is in totally different category to where you visit.

Europeans may have less trouble in eating when they travel, since the whole American is at least partially influenced by Europeans due to immigrants in the past. For Oceania, the same story. They would always find something similar in taste. But visiting Asian is different. I have heard my German colleagues were crying for hard bread and never felt comfortable during their trip to Bali.

Versa vice, to adjust to the European taste for Asian is as difficult.


You are so right !
I get used really easily to any kind of cuisine, and sometimes love it. But everytime i travel for more than few days i come to really miss a good slice of bread (and cheese).
That becomes really hard tu handle after one good week :D
<;o)
killerm12
Profile Joined November 2014
Slovakia601 Posts
December 17 2016 17:14 GMT
#55
great interview, enjoyed reading

Until recently I thought about (P)Stats as the most boring pro-player around but he made me change my mind.

especially that crazy game on New Gettysburg where he out "sOs'd" (P)sOs in carrier vs carrier game was highlight of 2016
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zakadar
Profile Joined December 2015
Germany409 Posts
December 17 2016 17:36 GMT
#56
perhaps he said that the Taketv crew is just beeing bad at cooking not european food overall. And from korean adds you could get the image the main food is chicken wings so you should be able to find something similiar
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Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
December 17 2016 18:19 GMT
#57
On December 18 2016 02:36 zakadar wrote:
perhaps he said that the Taketv crew is just beeing bad at cooking not european food overall. And from korean adds you could get the image the main food is chicken wings so you should be able to find something similiar

Korean chicken is the best.
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Dangermousecatdog
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom7084 Posts
December 17 2016 19:02 GMT
#58
TakeTV chicken wings confirmed to be lacking.
gg no re
lagcats
Profile Joined February 2016
172 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-18 03:04:44
December 18 2016 03:04 GMT
#59
raw interview for sure. Nice read
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KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 23 2016 23:13 GMT
#60
Loved that ending.

"yeah.. fighting!". Perfect.
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