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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On May 19 2016 00:19 The_Red_Viper wrote: People arguing who invented builds in a game with matchmaking and ladder  It makes little sense -.- This is true. But I really think Destiny deserves some mention here because he was the first big name we saw really use Mass Infestors in every matchup. I think I remember show matches versus much better Koreans where he rode them to victory. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
On May 19 2016 02:07 BronzeKnee wrote: This is true. But I really think Destiny deserves some mention here because he was the first big name we saw really use Mass Infestors in every matchup. I think I remember show matches versus much better Koreans where he rode them to victory. Pretty sure Catz did it first. | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On May 18 2016 18:43 AxiomBlurr wrote: The biggest game changers in my opinion, who came out with styles that were just unthinkable...were Life and sOs... The thing is for the most part they did things that were mostly unreplecable. Granted some builds and playstyles like life's ling queen 3 base opening vs protoss etc were pretty damn noteworthy and copied. Generally I refer to those two as outliers. Very few people can do what they do. | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Catz's infestors were more harass oriented. | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1238 Posts
CatZ's infestors do everything dawg | ||
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Hider
Denmark9448 Posts
Well the way you utilized infestors was different from the way Destiny used them. | ||
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
Wish he expanded more on skill jumps with facts instead of his 'money.' I should be possible to analyze if you first grouped Starcraft into skills and then gone through and compared those skills in time. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
Something tells me you don't belong on his list. | ||
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My_Fake_Plastic_Luv
United States257 Posts
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1238 Posts
On May 19 2016 09:49 Hider wrote: Well the way you utilized infestors was different from the way Destiny used them. Everyone uses units differently, and Destiny in terms of infestors, was the one to utilize them and make a build order he could follow every ZvT with early ling upgrades and infestor follow-up for defense leading into the late-game. I've always been less of a formula oriented player. Destiny and I were always talking with each other / teammates for a good portion of the era you speak of. I think Destiny had his own moves. Much of how he used infestors, he got from me. He however, especially in ZvT, developed a more consistent style from which the ZvT meta as a whole shifted. He did something similar with less success in ZvP, where he used neural parasite on colossi off of ling surrounds. Destiny innovated a lot and had his own style of play, which made him more recognizable for his usage of certain units in this case, the infestor - within his style, he's always was somewhat one-dimensional. I on the other hand, tend to do a lot of everything instead of the same thing over and over; so despite 'having been there' or using compositions and strategies consistently before players who are eventually known for them start using them - I hardly get credited for said 'revolutions' or 'meta shifts' instead I get credited with strategies that get copied and used in the GSL or Proleague as 1-offs. Such is life. At any rate, you're both probably right in your own ways. But I'd say it's safe to say I was using infestors consistently at a high level before Steven or most other people. Also on that note, the first time I saw infestors used, it was DIMAGA neural parasiting hellions off of 1 base (they were broken in wol beta) XD | ||
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Cricketer12
United States14003 Posts
On May 19 2016 13:33 Shellshock wrote: I did mass swarmhosts in the HotS beta. I do not apologize. You're welcome all pro zergs I died to mass swarmhosts in the HotS beta. Then i dt rushed every game. | ||
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Aiingel
243 Posts
On May 18 2016 13:01 BronzeKnee wrote: You have to understand, predict and plan for the interaction between units and how different matchups will be affected. And then make changes when players use them in different ways. It goes way beyond basic interaction between individual units. But Blizzard's focus has always been on individual units and counters, This does sound interesting because it's similar to what people have been saying about Brood War - that it's more about strategy and positioning, and less about APM and building the right units. I can't pretend to understand but I'd love to see how it works out for real. In the end, you can only change units, but a unit should be thought of as a part of strategies, and not as an individual unit, since we only use units in a strategic context, no? Hope you weren't being snarky here cos, not cool man :/ | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
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Edpayasugo
United Kingdom2223 Posts
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xtorn
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