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So much nerd chills from the memories involved there :')
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Olli
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On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense.
This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation of character. That is the case until a verdict is made.
Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant.
No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate.
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Strategy of the Year
Blink
Runner-up: Mech
Hope Blizzard will read this as well and will make mech better.....
But i'm sure all that hope is in vain.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2016 00:56 PinoKotsBeer wrote:
Strategy of the Year
Blink
Runner-up: Mech
Hope Blizzard will read this as well and will make mech better.....
But i'm sure all that hope is in vain.
We never said 'Strategy of the Year' was analogous to 'Most Entertaining Strategy of the Year'. On the contrary...
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On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense.
I also feel weird about even seeing his name on articles, hes like Voldemort of this forum and then TL throws him in award articles...I agree he was an amazing player (to me the best), but I would like to know what he did exactly before I stand by giving him like 4 awards without giving savior something as well for his troubles.
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On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate.
Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive.
But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award.
Not 100% proven as in they have been called in by Prosecutors. Just like Life. If this happens to any sportsmen.
Zero. Chance.
And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing.
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innocent until proven guilty, this is an America website after all
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i'd put marinelord as terran of the year, because i'm overly biased toward millenium. But still, this guy is truly incredible !
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sorry please delete accidentally quoted when i wanted to edit.
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2016 01:04 oGoZenob wrote:
i'd put marinelord as terran of the year, because i'm overly biased toward millenium. But still, this guy is truly incredible !
MarineLord was an average foreigner at best in 2015
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing.
There are plenty of match fixers in sports who have been banned, and have since served their terms and started playing again.
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On April 19 2016 01:09 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing. There are plenty of match fixers in sports who have been banned, and have since served their terms and started playing again.
Indeed but you do notice that i am talking about being awarded Best Sports Person, instead of being allowed to play again.
Sure people should give them a chance again, i am all for that. But giving them the Best Sports Person award in the very year they match-fixed or was suspected or investigated for it?
That has happened before?
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Those Lolbow awards are undeserved af
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Mute City2363 Posts
On April 19 2016 01:11 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 01:09 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing. There are plenty of match fixers in sports who have been banned, and have since served their terms and started playing again. Indeed but you do notice that i am talking about being awarded Best Sports Person, instead of being allowed to play again. Sure people should give them a chance again, i am all for that. But giving them the Best Sports Person award in the very year they match-fixed or was suspected or investigated for it? That has happened before?
If you follow cricket, it's highly likely that Mohammed Amir will be recognised as one of the best bowlers in the world in the very near future, regardless of the fact that he's just returning from a five year suspension from match fixing.
Edit: In fact, he was named in the Best XI of his comeback tournament
Look - it's not like I'm not uncomfortable with it either. Personally, I couldn't give a shit about what happens to Life now. But I can separate my dislike for him and his actions from the performances and games he's given us.
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On April 19 2016 01:16 thecrazymunchkin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 01:11 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 01:09 thecrazymunchkin wrote:On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing. There are plenty of match fixers in sports who have been banned, and have since served their terms and started playing again. Indeed but you do notice that i am talking about being awarded Best Sports Person, instead of being allowed to play again. Sure people should give them a chance again, i am all for that. But giving them the Best Sports Person award in the very year they match-fixed or was suspected or investigated for it? That has happened before? If you follow cricket, it's highly likely that Mohammed Amir will be recognised as one of the best bowlers in the world in the very near future, regardless of the fact that he's just returning from a five year suspension from match fixing.
Well if TL writers want to set standards about definitive, i suggest we wait until he is 100% confirmed awarded the Best Bowler award.
And let's say even if he is indeed awarded the Best Bowler in the future, that's another topic to discuss moral values or performance. Which i don't think is appropriate here.
edit: saw your update on Best XI in a tournament. That's still different from naming him as Best Player of the Year(when he match-fixed) which TL has essentially done with Life.
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On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Not 100% proven as in they have been called in by Prosecutors. Just like Life. If this happens to any sportsmen. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing.
So you wouldn't give Messi the Ballon d'Or because he is linked to the Panama papers scandal, for example? Interesting
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On April 19 2016 01:14 boxerfred wrote:
Those Lolbow awards are undeserved af
yeah, where's Naniwa 
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On April 19 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Not 100% proven as in they have been called in by Prosecutors. Just like Life. If this happens to any sportsmen. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing. So you wouldn't give Messi the Ballon d'Or because he is linked to the Panama papers scandal, for example? Interesting
I should have been clearer. Scandal related to the sports, eg. Match-fixing, performance enhanced drugs.
If Messi had done any of those, or suspected of it, ya i wouldn't give Messi the Ballon d'Or.
With the panama papers, it's a financial scandal and it changes how i look at Messi as a person, not how i look at him as a footballer.
Just like i don't respect John Terry for his alleged affairs, but since that has zero to do with his defending, i still rate him as a good defender.
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On April 19 2016 01:28 Kaizor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 19 2016 01:24 OtherWorld wrote:On April 19 2016 01:03 Kaizor wrote:On April 19 2016 00:23 Olli wrote:On April 18 2016 22:25 Kaizor wrote:
No i do not understand TL's stance or agree with it.
True he has not been convicted of anything yet but i think most would agree that by this point, it's highly likely.
And look around, sportsmen that have been caught in various scandals, get their medals stripped, championships revoked, sponsorships withdrawn.
You would never see a sportsmen being awarded anything after they bring the sport into dispute just because "their performances merited it". Organizations get as far away as they can.
So no, TL's stance just does not make sense. This is absolutely nonsensical and, if anything, points out a huge issue in our society. Condemning people without evidence, even if there is an investigation ongoing, is defamation ot character. That is the case until a verdict is made. Essentially you base your argument on "what everyone thinks". Guess what, everyone doesn't know shit and their opinion on a case they have zero insight into is 100% irrelevant. No information about the case has been released, which means as of right now, Life is not guilty. So that's how we're going to treat him for the time being. If he does turn out to be guilty, we may re-evaluate. Fair enough, if that's how you guys really feel about it. I am not going get into an arguing match about how we define definitive. But i just want to point out that if any sportsmen is being investigated or being linked to any scandal, even if it is not 100% proven yet, they are not going to be getting any Best Sports Person of the year award. Not 100% proven as in they have been called in by Prosecutors. Just like Life. If this happens to any sportsmen. Zero. Chance. And the way you put it as "may re-evaluate" even if he is found guilty is very disappointing. So you wouldn't give Messi the Ballon d'Or because he is linked to the Panama papers scandal, for example? Interesting I should have been clearer. Scandal related to the sports, eg. Match-fixing, performance enhanced drugs. If Messi had done any of those, or suspected of it, ya i wouldn't give Messi the Ballon d'Or. With the panama papers, it's a financial scandal and it changes how i look at Messi as a person, not how i look at him as a footballer. Just like i don't respect John Terry for his alleged affairs, but since that has zero to do with his defending, i still rate him as a good defender.
match fixing honestly has nothing to do with how good Life is/was at Starcraft, he didn't win tournaments by throwing games
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