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johanes
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Czech Republic2246 Posts
March 21 2016 19:20 GMT
#41
I started following korean bw in 2008. To me bw is Flash and flash is bw.
Also i remember when flash won the GOM TV tourney without losing a single game, but JWD still didn't put him on top of the power rank that month. Shame on you, never forget!
Diabolique
Profile Joined June 2015
Czech Republic5118 Posts
March 21 2016 19:31 GMT
#42
Nice read about how Flash was becoming good. But at the end, he did not become that good when even iAsonu has beaten him :-)
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usopsama
Profile Joined April 2008
6502 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 23:28:03
March 21 2016 19:34 GMT
#43
BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
March 21 2016 19:39 GMT
#44
On March 22 2016 04:31 Diabolique wrote:
Nice read about how Flash was becoming good. But at the end, he did not become that good when even iAsonu has beaten him :-)


I think you should read what the last section implies
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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5225 Posts
March 21 2016 19:41 GMT
#45
I wish this guy had done it in SC2 too.
538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 20:21:33
March 21 2016 20:20 GMT
#46
Great write-up, I especially like the fact that you managed to keep it short despite the huge history and achievement list, serving indeed the purpose of being a great introduction for those who didn't follow BW back in the day, and a pleasant serving of nostalgia for us.

Watching Flash play at his peak was almost surreal, his dominance filled me with that special kind of awe that only the biggest legends of any sport or competition could. Glad to have been following the scene when he was around.
BW fighting!
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
March 21 2016 20:26 GMT
#47
On March 22 2016 04:31 Diabolique wrote:
Nice read about how Flash was becoming good. But at the end, he did not become that good when even iAsonu has beaten him :-)

and a few weeks before that he almost all killed jinair. so what? he had already decided to retire by then
Shikada
Profile Joined May 2012
Serbia976 Posts
March 21 2016 20:33 GMT
#48
Thanks for the awesome article
Kerence
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1817 Posts
March 21 2016 21:01 GMT
#49
Despite not following BW I was aware of most of the things mentioned in the article (although not so much the dates or the exact timeline I guess).
This was however an excellent summary of Flash and his dominance. Great read, and bonus points for the interesting annotations.
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ragnasaur
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States804 Posts
March 21 2016 21:06 GMT
#50
I sacrifice 20 pigs ever april for Flash.
| (• ◡•)| (❍ᴥ❍ʋ) George Forman doesnt have any fingerprints
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3513 Posts
March 21 2016 21:20 GMT
#51
@ footnote 7 -- don't forget there was a technical delay / power outage here. I *think* it was after Flash went up 2-0. I was at that particular finals and there was definitely a funny mood after Effort won game 3. I think it really threw Flash off his game and allowed Effort time to regain his focus.
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G5
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2921 Posts
March 21 2016 21:53 GMT
#52
On March 22 2016 02:31 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu still holds the record for most wins in a season. And his accomplishments as a protoss player far exceed any accomplishment by any player of any other race. Just saying, did you see any other protoss player mentioned?

edit: just in case you nick pick, Stork was mentioned once (once!).

There are 3 protosses with 2 golds so not so far from Bisu: GARIMTO who - in retrospect - denied Boxer Golden Mouse, completely irrelevant to the story. Then Nal_Ra who was strong enough to justify saying that sAviOr's ZvP wasn't just statistics but actual quality. And JangBi who dominated Brood War when Flash perhaps didn't care anymore.

Also Stork was also mentioned but he really was a Bomber of the era.


The thing about Protoss was that the race was more map dependent than Terran or Zerg. Protoss also has to (at some level) innovate and trick opponents with openings where as Zerg and Terran can open the same way every game and be completely fine. Protoss is harder to find consistent streaks, where their style dominates for a period of time until it's figured out. You'll see seasons where Protoss dominates thanks to maps and they fix that the season after. This is a big reason you see so many Terran and Zerg player Bonjwas who were dominant over a period of time instead of Protoss. The other fact is that the best players in Starcraft: Broodwar have truly played Terran and Zerg (mostly Terran). Bisu is great, obviously, but I agree he is not the best ever.

P.S. I basically discount everything after 2010 in terms of greatness because SC2 was out and the scene truly changed and skill level dropped TREMENDOUSLY as top players transitioned to SC2 and stopped practicing SC:BW.
Sigrun
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
United States1655 Posts
March 21 2016 21:54 GMT
#53
Great write up!
Graphics
LucasWoJ
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States936 Posts
March 21 2016 21:58 GMT
#54
On March 22 2016 06:53 G5 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2016 02:31 nimdil wrote:
On March 22 2016 02:17 BisuDagger wrote:
Bisu still holds the record for most wins in a season. And his accomplishments as a protoss player far exceed any accomplishment by any player of any other race. Just saying, did you see any other protoss player mentioned?

edit: just in case you nick pick, Stork was mentioned once (once!).

There are 3 protosses with 2 golds so not so far from Bisu: GARIMTO who - in retrospect - denied Boxer Golden Mouse, completely irrelevant to the story. Then Nal_Ra who was strong enough to justify saying that sAviOr's ZvP wasn't just statistics but actual quality. And JangBi who dominated Brood War when Flash perhaps didn't care anymore.

Also Stork was also mentioned but he really was a Bomber of the era.


The thing about Protoss was that the race was more map dependent than Terran or Zerg. Protoss also has to (at some level) innovate and trick opponents with openings where as Zerg and Terran can open the same way every game and be completely fine. Protoss is harder to find consistent streaks, where their style dominates for a period of time until it's figured out. You'll see seasons where Protoss dominates thanks to maps and they fix that the season after. This is a big reason you see so many Terran and Zerg player Bonjwas who were dominant over a period of time instead of Protoss. The other fact is that the best players in Starcraft: Broodwar have truly played Terran and Zerg (mostly Terran). Bisu is great, obviously, but I agree he is not the best ever.

P.S. I basically discount everything after 2010 in terms of greatness because SC2 was out and the scene truly changed and skill level dropped TREMENDOUSLY as top players transitioned to SC2 and stopped practicing SC:BW.



Agreed with mostly everything you said, except this only applies to Terran. Many "zerg bonjwas"? There's only ever been one (savior).
"Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 21 2016 22:16 GMT
#55
The level of dominance Flash displayed in his prime was indeed God mode. His games looked so easy, and it was always expected for him to win. In the rare events when he lost, it was like some big event happened. Everybody would rush to re-watch the game and analyze it. And when Effort managed to reverse 2-0 into 3-2 on him it was like universe imploded. He had no weakness. In any match-up it was inconceivable he could lose. Hard times for all the other-player fans, indeed.
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BeStFAN
Profile Blog Joined April 2015
483 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 22:31:32
March 21 2016 22:25 GMT
#56


Kim Carry: "People think SK Terran [Bio] isn't very good, but Flash is like: 'Why isn't it good?' 'Once I do it it's completely different!' "
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endy
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Switzerland8970 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-21 22:58:48
March 21 2016 22:56 GMT
#57
Actually back then we were almost all considering Mind a much more promising Terran ^_^ It didn't take very long to realize how wrong we were though.

edit: found that 2007 thread
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Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5912 Posts
March 21 2016 22:59 GMT
#58
Poor Mind, 1 <3 Mind.

[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
thezanursic
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
5500 Posts
March 21 2016 23:27 GMT
#59
Should be moved to TL Final Edits imho.
http://i45.tinypic.com/9j2cdc.jpg Let it be so!
jimminy_kriket
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada5539 Posts
March 21 2016 23:32 GMT
#60
Great article. Thanks.
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