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Community Feedback Update - February 18 - Page 6
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17737 Posts
you mean like this? | ||
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Deathstar
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Killmouse
Austria5700 Posts
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
The Liberator nerf I don't get. Is it really such a problem for Zergs with their normal range? I thought the problem was when Terrans do the Nathanias build and rush to get the range upgrade. Shouldn't the nerf be the other way around, -1 to the range WITH the upgrade?? | ||
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jalstar
United States8198 Posts
+damage vs bio is the wrong change imo | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17737 Posts
On February 19 2016 07:12 Killmouse wrote: Everything is Fine but why nerf lib Range-.- just increase the time a Little bit for mode switching i want Terran air weakened and Terran ground strengthened. so if they keep this Liberator change and Terran is too weak I hope they just keep buffing the Tank or some other ground unit. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
Each time Tank hits a target, a psy storm gets casted in that area. All mech terrans will stop crying. | ||
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Silvana
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Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
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Pontius Pirate
United States1557 Posts
On February 19 2016 07:18 jalstar wrote: Corrosive Bile needs to be better vs mobile units (less time for the shot to land?) and worse vs immobile units (needs a damage reduction especially if siege tanks are going to be immobile) +damage vs bio is the wrong change imo I actually think that it's good for it to not be too great against mobile units. However, I definitely agree with your statement that the damage against bio is the wrong change. Instead, I'd made it so that it's not so unintuitively easy to miss its targets when they're deliberately trying to dodge the shots. The radius is simply too small. I'd love to see the damage nerfed against all units, possibly by an even greater degree, in exchange for a larger radius of effect. Or perhaps changed so that it deals 40 + 20 air, coupled with the larger radius, of course. | ||
Poopi
France13012 Posts
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usopsama
6502 Posts
After this, we just need a discruptor nerf. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On February 19 2016 07:20 Clonester wrote: I got the perfect balance patch to make tank viable: Each time Tank hits a target, a psy storm gets casted in that area. All mech terrans will stop crying. You know the sad thing is I could think of a few Terran's that would still complain... | ||
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Vanadiel
France961 Posts
On February 19 2016 04:37 FireCake wrote: Lurker is useless in ZvT Now Ravager is useless in ZvT YES YES YES §§§ Don't worry, Mutalisk are still... well. I'm going to miss tankivacs, although it was problematic for TvT, they were fun to watch in the other match up. Gotta practice nyddus and ravager all in now, not going to take a risk to lose my time against mech. | ||
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coolprogrammingstuff
906 Posts
On February 19 2016 04:37 FireCake wrote: Lurker is useless in ZvT Now Ravager is useless in ZvT YES YES YES §§§ not getting your game casted isn't :^) | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On February 19 2016 07:58 Vanadiel wrote: Don't worry, Mutalisk are still... well. I'm going to miss tankivacs, although it was problematic for TvT, they were fun to watch in the other match up. Gotta practice nyddus and ravager all in now, not going to take a risk to lose my time against mech. muta is fine in zvt you just can't build 35 of them anymore lol. | ||
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royalroadweed
United States8301 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
a) Siege tank needs more damage to trade better. It's great blizzard is taking a step here, is it enough damage? Maybe, that's what testing is for to be honest, and if it goes live people will find out pretty fast if it really does make the tank able to hold it's ground better or not. b) Even a bigger issue with mech...ANTI-AIR. Despite the siege tank sorta sucking...the worse problem is that mech cannot build an auto-attacking anti-air unit like the goliath to dissuade someone from just massing tempest, carrier, liberator, or broodlords. Mech cyclones/thors need to be strengthened versus air to the point that they actually can kill tempests/carriers/brood/liberators. There previously was a thor change that might have done something like this that was randomly scrapped... I can tell you 100% that every single mech game played at any decent level always devolves into both players spamming air units because mech can't go up to 8-10 factories and then switch production over to 8-12 goliaths like in SC1. Along the same lines, tempests are only 4 supply. Liberators are 3 supply. Broodlords are only 4 supply...i have written already two-three long posts about how air units are way too strong in LOTV and in SC2 in general. I honestly think blizzard has a really easy fix to the late game mass air deathball for all 3 races - increase the supply cost of all major air units in the game. What does this do? It makes it so Terran, Zerg, and Protoss ground armies in lategame always have more supply invested than an army that is pure air. So if someone wants to turtle to mass air, the player that is making ground units is the one that inherently has more of the advantage, can push the action, and then both players are encouraged to make ground units to constantly fight and trade, rather than turtle into air units that can't be shot at by half of the ground units in the game. Example changes; Tempest supply cost increased to 8. Carrier supply / BC supply increased to 8. Broodlord supply increased to 6 (corruptor 2 supply, broodlord morph 4 supply). Liberator supply increased to 4. Raven supply increased to 3 (along with possible revert of some of the previous nerts in some way). Viper supply increased to 4 (and parasitic bomb nerf hammered/removed since all these changes fix air). If something like the above is done, we would not see air dominating every single match-up in every single game in late game. It's just really frustrating to me as a Mech Terran that when i want to play Mech and be aggressive, i know that i basically can't be because my opponent sees i'm going mech and then starts massing tempests which invalidates every single unit i've built that's not a viking or raven. I can show everyone here a replay pack of about 10-20+ Mech TvP that i have attempted and every single one Protoss scouts i'm "going mech" and then the game devolves into 4-10 tempests forcing me to sit in base and turtle into 15-25 vikings because there's not a single unit, including mass mine, that can fight mass tempest that has splash damage underneath. The same applies to TvT - bio Terran will just start spamming 100% liberator+viking and if you do not turtle into mass viking/raven/liberator yourself you autolose the game. Mech needs an auto-attacking anti-air unit, and air needs to be toned down. | ||
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Superbanana
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On February 19 2016 07:39 Poopi wrote: I really really hope mech won't be buffed, it's too strong already in TvT Mech is only turtle bullshit because a mech Terran can't switch their factories over to mass anti-air production because there's no auto-attacking anti-air unit in the game atm (goliaths don't exist). 99% of Mech games end up being turtling into mass viking/liberator/ravens because there is no way to dissuade your opponent from massing tempest/brood/liberator/carrier/BCS. If a player decides to start spamming their respective OP air unit...what does a Mech Terran make to counter? Thor? Nope they suck vs massed air. Cyclones? Currently an overpriced trash unit. Mass widow mines? Hello RNGesus. The only reason turtle mech started is because brood+infestor, and air units in general are overpowered in SC2 versus their ground counter parts. You can even see this in ZvP where lategame always 100% goes to mass air for both players (mass tempest/carrier/void vs mass corruptor/fungal/viper/brood). | ||
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