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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote:
Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed.


This goes for other players too. -The_Templar
Wrath
Profile Blog Joined July 2014
3175 Posts
January 31 2016 13:53 GMT
#281
On January 31 2016 22:00 FireCake wrote:
Why does this happen only in Korea ?

Are European players better to hide match-fixing or nobody care about illegal bettings in Europe ?
Is there similar cases in other esports in Europe ?


Wasn't there a post about Valve banning CS:GO match fixers from playing in tournaments?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2016 13:53 GMT
#282
On January 31 2016 22:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:49 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:19 Pr0wler wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Uh oh OK that's bad, the fact that such a player is charged with matchfixing is terrible even if it turns out he isn't condamned.
I hope KeSPA can seek and destroy every single player who ever matchfixed in SC2 in the following month, else SC2 will become the Pro Cycling of eSports and will die sooner than expected.

I hope that there will be still players left to play the game after that.
Or what if KeSPA is actually part of the scheme ? That would be funny.

Yes, both of these scenarios are possible, sadly.

That's quite the conspiracy theory right there

I guess it doesn't look good? As i said before if even Life felt the need to fix matches (assuming that's true), i don't know what that tells us about the korean scene as a whole. Nobody will ever talk about it, but quite frankly it has to be horrible for pretty much 90% of the players. I wonder if it's all worth it... Meh

Honestly, look at other sports' governing bodies : FIFA, FIA, IHF, IOC, UCI, etc, and even the national federations. They're all corrupt as fuck, which is normal considering you're concentrating a lot of power into a very limited number of hands without any kind of control whatsoever (I mean seriously, who thought that was a good idea?). While this does not mean that KeSPA has to be as corrupt as these organizations (the main, and important, difference is that KeSPA is directly under the authority of the Korean government), I don't think it is crazy enough to be qualified as "conspiracy theory".

I'm pretty sure an organisation controlled by a government with strict anti-gambling laws (like KeSPA is) being directly involved in illegal betting is nothing more than a conspiracy theory before there's any evidence of it. Crazy or not.

Yeah, because it's well known government members never go against the law. Like, no one ever saw a Minister of Economy do tax fraud, clearly.
I'm not saying KeSPA is involved, I'm not even saying it is likely. I'm saying it is a possibility that is more than a conspiracy theory. Unless you think all humans have hyperdeveloped ethics, I guess.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 31 2016 13:56 GMT
#283
On January 31 2016 22:53 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:15 Elentos wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:49 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:19 Pr0wler wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Uh oh OK that's bad, the fact that such a player is charged with matchfixing is terrible even if it turns out he isn't condamned.
I hope KeSPA can seek and destroy every single player who ever matchfixed in SC2 in the following month, else SC2 will become the Pro Cycling of eSports and will die sooner than expected.

I hope that there will be still players left to play the game after that.
Or what if KeSPA is actually part of the scheme ? That would be funny.

Yes, both of these scenarios are possible, sadly.

That's quite the conspiracy theory right there

I guess it doesn't look good? As i said before if even Life felt the need to fix matches (assuming that's true), i don't know what that tells us about the korean scene as a whole. Nobody will ever talk about it, but quite frankly it has to be horrible for pretty much 90% of the players. I wonder if it's all worth it... Meh

Honestly, look at other sports' governing bodies : FIFA, FIA, IHF, IOC, UCI, etc, and even the national federations. They're all corrupt as fuck, which is normal considering you're concentrating a lot of power into a very limited number of hands without any kind of control whatsoever (I mean seriously, who thought that was a good idea?). While this does not mean that KeSPA has to be as corrupt as these organizations (the main, and important, difference is that KeSPA is directly under the authority of the Korean government), I don't think it is crazy enough to be qualified as "conspiracy theory".

I'm pretty sure an organisation controlled by a government with strict anti-gambling laws (like KeSPA is) being directly involved in illegal betting is nothing more than a conspiracy theory before there's any evidence of it. Crazy or not.

Yeah, because it's well known government members never go against the law. Like, no one ever saw a Minister of Economy do tax fraud, clearly.
I'm not saying KeSPA is involved, I'm not even saying it is likely. I'm saying it is a possibility that is more than a conspiracy theory. Unless you think all humans have hyperdeveloped ethics, I guess.

Without ANY evidence it is NOT more than a conspiracy theory though. Anything is possible, that doesn't mean any theory ever should be discussed as "possible".
Even conspiracy theories have some form of evidence, obviously fake evidence. But that's at least starts the discussion i guess.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
January 31 2016 13:57 GMT
#284
I had my pitchfork ready but now I'm sad
I think esports is pretty nice.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16849 Posts
January 31 2016 13:57 GMT
#285
On January 31 2016 22:53 WrathSCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:00 FireCake wrote:
Why does this happen only in Korea ?

Are European players better to hide match-fixing or nobody care about illegal bettings in Europe ?
Is there similar cases in other esports in Europe ?


Wasn't there a post about Valve banning CS:GO match fixers from playing in tournaments?

yes any major etc has previous match fix offenders banned.
The Bomber boy
ilikeredheads
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1995 Posts
January 31 2016 13:58 GMT
#286
In BW, we had Savior....
now in sc2, we have Life...

You would think that after the scandal with BW, Kespa would do whatever it takes to prevent another incident from happening again, but clearly they haven't done enough.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 14:05:55
January 31 2016 13:59 GMT
#287
On January 31 2016 22:50 y0su wrote:
damn.

The worst thing about fixing matches is that it doesn't diminish how talented the player was
It just hurts everyone in the scene.


Talent rarely equals ethics! He is not the first player to fall from grace and trust me he won't be the last...
People will do anything to get the biggest piece of the cake..dunno why people act so surprised, just because he
is talented...

Most talented people lack morals, because they did not have to work hard to get where they are in the first place....thats the curse of talent.
Don't get me wrong I am not saying Life did not work hard, I'm sure he did, but some things just came naturally to him and people tend to forget the unsuccessful times...
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2016 14:04 GMT
#288
On January 31 2016 22:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:15 Elentos wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:49 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:19 Pr0wler wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Uh oh OK that's bad, the fact that such a player is charged with matchfixing is terrible even if it turns out he isn't condamned.
I hope KeSPA can seek and destroy every single player who ever matchfixed in SC2 in the following month, else SC2 will become the Pro Cycling of eSports and will die sooner than expected.

I hope that there will be still players left to play the game after that.
Or what if KeSPA is actually part of the scheme ? That would be funny.

Yes, both of these scenarios are possible, sadly.

That's quite the conspiracy theory right there

I guess it doesn't look good? As i said before if even Life felt the need to fix matches (assuming that's true), i don't know what that tells us about the korean scene as a whole. Nobody will ever talk about it, but quite frankly it has to be horrible for pretty much 90% of the players. I wonder if it's all worth it... Meh

Honestly, look at other sports' governing bodies : FIFA, FIA, IHF, IOC, UCI, etc, and even the national federations. They're all corrupt as fuck, which is normal considering you're concentrating a lot of power into a very limited number of hands without any kind of control whatsoever (I mean seriously, who thought that was a good idea?). While this does not mean that KeSPA has to be as corrupt as these organizations (the main, and important, difference is that KeSPA is directly under the authority of the Korean government), I don't think it is crazy enough to be qualified as "conspiracy theory".

I'm pretty sure an organisation controlled by a government with strict anti-gambling laws (like KeSPA is) being directly involved in illegal betting is nothing more than a conspiracy theory before there's any evidence of it. Crazy or not.

Yeah, because it's well known government members never go against the law. Like, no one ever saw a Minister of Economy do tax fraud, clearly.
I'm not saying KeSPA is involved, I'm not even saying it is likely. I'm saying it is a possibility that is more than a conspiracy theory. Unless you think all humans have hyperdeveloped ethics, I guess.

Without ANY evidence it is NOT more than a conspiracy theory though. Anything is possible, that doesn't mean any theory ever should be discussed as "possible".
Even conspiracy theories have some form of evidence, obviously fake evidence. But that's at least starts the discussion i guess.

So anything that doesn't have any evidence is conspiracy? I'm not sure I understand what you mean here
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18761 Posts
January 31 2016 14:05 GMT
#289
has zealously posted in this thread? :/must really suck for him as he even had contact with life many times...
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
January 31 2016 14:06 GMT
#290
God fucking damnit. This sucks so bad.

I'm still going to hold out hope, but Life was the last player that I was emotionally invested in and actually cheered for after MMA retired.

Fuck man
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
January 31 2016 14:08 GMT
#291
On January 31 2016 23:04 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 22:56 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:53 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:15 Elentos wrote:
On January 31 2016 22:06 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 21:00 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:49 OtherWorld wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:19 Pr0wler wrote:
On January 31 2016 20:17 OtherWorld wrote:
Uh oh OK that's bad, the fact that such a player is charged with matchfixing is terrible even if it turns out he isn't condamned.
I hope KeSPA can seek and destroy every single player who ever matchfixed in SC2 in the following month, else SC2 will become the Pro Cycling of eSports and will die sooner than expected.

I hope that there will be still players left to play the game after that.
Or what if KeSPA is actually part of the scheme ? That would be funny.

Yes, both of these scenarios are possible, sadly.

That's quite the conspiracy theory right there

I guess it doesn't look good? As i said before if even Life felt the need to fix matches (assuming that's true), i don't know what that tells us about the korean scene as a whole. Nobody will ever talk about it, but quite frankly it has to be horrible for pretty much 90% of the players. I wonder if it's all worth it... Meh

Honestly, look at other sports' governing bodies : FIFA, FIA, IHF, IOC, UCI, etc, and even the national federations. They're all corrupt as fuck, which is normal considering you're concentrating a lot of power into a very limited number of hands without any kind of control whatsoever (I mean seriously, who thought that was a good idea?). While this does not mean that KeSPA has to be as corrupt as these organizations (the main, and important, difference is that KeSPA is directly under the authority of the Korean government), I don't think it is crazy enough to be qualified as "conspiracy theory".

I'm pretty sure an organisation controlled by a government with strict anti-gambling laws (like KeSPA is) being directly involved in illegal betting is nothing more than a conspiracy theory before there's any evidence of it. Crazy or not.

Yeah, because it's well known government members never go against the law. Like, no one ever saw a Minister of Economy do tax fraud, clearly.
I'm not saying KeSPA is involved, I'm not even saying it is likely. I'm saying it is a possibility that is more than a conspiracy theory. Unless you think all humans have hyperdeveloped ethics, I guess.

Without ANY evidence it is NOT more than a conspiracy theory though. Anything is possible, that doesn't mean any theory ever should be discussed as "possible".
Even conspiracy theories have some form of evidence, obviously fake evidence. But that's at least starts the discussion i guess.

So anything that doesn't have any evidence is conspiracy? I'm not sure I understand what you mean here

If you present some action which is harmful in one way or another and it is implied that people try to cover it up, then yes i would call that a conspiracy theory, UNLESS we have some real evidence.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
January 31 2016 14:10 GMT
#292
On January 31 2016 23:05 sharkie wrote:
has zealously posted in this thread? :/must really suck for him as he even had contact with life many times...


No.

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28536 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-01-31 14:14:46
January 31 2016 14:10 GMT
#293
On January 31 2016 23:05 sharkie wrote:
has zealously posted in this thread? :/must really suck for him as he even had contact with life many times...

He has and seems to be holding up. I hope this tweet isn't meant to be taken seriously though:

https://twitter.com/TL_Zealously/status/693740015592062976

@Grettin, He has posted a few times
I Protoss winner, could it be?
Frakkofff
Profile Joined May 2014
Russian Federation66 Posts
January 31 2016 14:10 GMT
#294
RIP Starcraft, it was a pleasure to meet you.

Latham
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
9593 Posts
January 31 2016 14:11 GMT
#295
Why was the mod note at the top of the thread removed? Has he been convicted or confessed?
For the curse of life is the curse of want. PC = https://be.pcpartpicker.com/user/LathamTK/builds/#view=CrqmP6
Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 31 2016 14:13 GMT
#296
Man this just makes me feel so empty inside. Dunno if I will keep on watching sc2. Don't actually know anymore who's playing legit games..
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
January 31 2016 14:13 GMT
#297
Holy Shit, haven't been on TL for awhile and I come back to this.

2nd Greatest player in SC2 history caugh matchfixing ;_; heart so broken
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
January 31 2016 14:14 GMT
#298
On January 31 2016 23:10 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 31 2016 23:05 sharkie wrote:
has zealously posted in this thread? :/must really suck for him as he even had contact with life many times...

He has and seems to be holding up. I hope this tweet isn't meant to be taken seriously though:
https://twitter.com/TL_Zealously/status/693740015592062976

@Grettin, He has posted a few times

Cmon Zealously, if you want to drown your sorrow in Jagermeister don't do it alone
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brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
January 31 2016 14:16 GMT
#299
i will probably not watch korean sc anymore
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gingerfluffmuff
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria4570 Posts
January 31 2016 14:16 GMT
#300
WCS 2016, DingIt Gate and he who will find a way. And its only January
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