Life's too short to be spending time in prison. Not gonna be able to come out in time for Half Life 3.
My Life for ire.
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Lazare1969
United States318 Posts
Life's too short to be spending time in prison. Not gonna be able to come out in time for Half Life 3. My Life for ire. | ||
Shuffleblade
Sweden1903 Posts
On January 30 2016 21:17 Grizvok wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2016 20:59 Shuffleblade wrote: On January 30 2016 20:30 Growiel wrote: On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname. Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene. So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements. While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL". Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this. Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not) Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal. Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation. But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is? We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal. I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW. Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information. | ||
DuckloadBlackra
225 Posts
Nobody here actually knows what is going on. Yes it is a serious situation, but assuming you just know what it's about is stupid. Being investigated obviously doesn't mean being guilty and we don't even know what the investigation is for... | ||
NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
On January 31 2016 01:12 Lazare1969 wrote: Fuck my Life. Life's too short to be spending time in prison. Not gonna be able to come out in time for Half Life 3. My Life for ire. we need to stop with these Life puns, it's getting out of hands. | ||
NinjaToss
Austria1383 Posts
On January 31 2016 01:14 Shuffleblade wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2016 21:17 Grizvok wrote: On January 30 2016 20:59 Shuffleblade wrote: On January 30 2016 20:30 Growiel wrote: On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname. Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene. So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements. While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL". Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this. Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not) Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal. Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation. But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is? We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal. I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW. Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information. you're very very right I think KeSPA is just guessing like us about the match-fixing stuff when they read the article, which fuels up all this talk right now. Whatever it is, I hope that Life is innocent, or at least, it's nothing SCII-related | ||
Antonidas
United States105 Posts
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crazedrat
272 Posts
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aQuaSC
717 Posts
On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player. I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone. | ||
riotjune
United States3392 Posts
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phantomfive
Korea (South)404 Posts
On January 31 2016 01:14 Shuffleblade wrote: I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW. Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information. And even Kespa doesn't know, otherwise they would have kicked him out instead of postponing his match..... | ||
brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On January 31 2016 03:06 aQuaSC wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player. I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone. agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though) | ||
The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 31 2016 03:33 brickrd wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2016 03:06 aQuaSC wrote: On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player. I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone. agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though) That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo. | ||
fronkschnonk
Germany622 Posts
On January 31 2016 01:14 Shuffleblade wrote: Show nested quote + On January 30 2016 21:17 Grizvok wrote: On January 30 2016 20:59 Shuffleblade wrote: On January 30 2016 20:30 Growiel wrote: On January 30 2016 18:39 Incognoto wrote: Seunghyun is his first name, right? Not his surname. Edit: I want to underline that first off we have little to no reason to suspect Life at all. Secondly, the only reason we know about this at all is that an excuse was needed for SPL, meaning that this could actually be a regular occurrence (progamers going into custody for questioning) without us knowing about it. This could just not be a very big deal; imagine if indeed Life were being questioned because his match was fixed but he didn't know about it. Or perhaps he did, but didn't want to say anything as that might damage the scene. So many difference kinds of possible situations that I don't think any conclusions should be drawn before any official statements. While we all want some explanation and I really hope nothing comes out of this, this has been reported in a Korean newspaper, it's not just "KeSPA's excuse for SPL". Well, what are the newspapers source? I mean if Kespa went out and made it public of course it will be reported in other places like newspapers aswell. The migh just use kespa as source, unless you know that is not the case its still possible its "kespas excuse" ignited a chain reaction that lead to all this. Look at kotaku, they reported on this and they refer to teamliquid, their newssite probably doesn't have their own sources just copying the news from somewhere else. (not saying thats bad, its not) Can people stop with the "oh it's probably some mistranslation thing and he's probably just there to answer a few questions or some shit." You don't get straight up arrested, held for more than a single day, and taken to a place that solely investigates match-fixing if the allegations are a farce and completely unfounded. I'm not saying he's guilty but let's have some overall perspective that he's in a pretty fucking serious situation instead of trying our hardest to make it seem like no big deal. Don't know why you are directing this at me, I agree with you. This is a serious situation. But how about not spreading lies or made up information that makes it sound more serious than it is? We know that Life has been arrested and is being held atm. That is ALL we know, we can theorize that the place he is held at means that its because of matchfixing but none of us know exactly how the police department in Changwon works. Apparently its close to his home, maybe he was at home when he was arrested for a whole different crime and is being held there due to proximity. Thats how many police departments work after all, if the crime is made in their jurisdiction they arrest and hold the criminal. I believe this is serious and I do believe it is about matchfixing but don't confuse what you THINK with what you KNOW. Everything we know about this comes from kespa and it is very little they have said, if you have a different source then please share it. Otherwise hold your tongue and stop spreading false information. It also could be something SC2 related without having to do with matchfixing. This could explain why it's the police department in Changwon since they're experienced with esport-players. But that's also speculation like almost everything in this thread | ||
Captain Peabody
United States3089 Posts
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On January 31 2016 03:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2016 03:33 brickrd wrote: On January 31 2016 03:06 aQuaSC wrote: On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player. I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone. agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though) That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo. the word fan means an emotional connection to me. I mean you can appriciate the good work of an awful human being but being a fan is different. | ||
Wrath
3174 Posts
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NrT.RuSH
Germany214 Posts
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showBanquo
Sweden182 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On January 31 2016 04:54 NEEDZMOAR wrote: Show nested quote + On January 31 2016 03:53 The_Red_Viper wrote: On January 31 2016 03:33 brickrd wrote: On January 31 2016 03:06 aQuaSC wrote: On January 31 2016 03:04 crazedrat wrote: I hope it's not matchmaking related, would really taint him as a player. If he stabbed someone I could still respect him as a player. I would never want to see a player participating in tournaments who committed such crime. I can somehow understand minor offences, but not hurting anyone. agreed. a crime of dishonesty is shameful, but forgivable. but someone who commits crimes of violence is not someone i would ever cheer for or associate with. i think it's very very sick to "hope he stabbed someone" (crazedrat is probably just trolling though) That's the old debate about "Can you be a fan of someone's work when he is a 'bad human being'?" I think you can appreciate aspects of someone, even if he did things you cannot agree with. You just have to seperate the human and his work imo. the word fan means an emotional connection to me. I mean you can appriciate the good work of an awful human being but being a fan is different. But i am a fan of the work, no? Nobody here knows the players on a real personal level, i simply CANNOT be a fan of the human being because i don't really know the person. But sure if i know he did something inherently wrong i wouldn't call me a fan of the character, but i still can be a fan of his work imo (or do word it differently, appreciate the work). I think i can seperate these things. | ||
DeadByDawn
United Kingdom476 Posts
It does not look good because of the prefecture involved being known for game fixing investigations. But let's hope that it is not game fixing as that would be catastrophic considering it is Life that is involved. Athletics, Tennis and Cycling have hit the news regarding fixing of various sorts - seems nothing sport related is immune to such malfeasance. | ||
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