On January 06 2016 13:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
EDIT: And yeah it's not me haha, but thx for thinking of me @ all the people who guessed it was me.
Dimaga also makes sense, but didn't he retire quite recently? Or is my sense of time really bad :D?
Im not at home and cant check the ladder, whats the smurf called?
"Villain" lmao
I think it's Thorzain! He picked up the game, we know that much at least and has been playing for fun. When he went to DH Winter he said it felt really nostalgic and maybe he regained his passion right there and then and has been practicing for real ever since .
Grack or Thorzain would be incredible. Hard to see Idra coming back, but LotV is such a different game, maybe he thinks the design is better now (hoping)
QXC has been tweeting out about playing zerg, wonder if he is this Villian character.
if this Villain guy were truly idra there would have been half a dozen posts online complaining about some GM zerg BMing everyone on the ladder. Unless Idra underwent some sort of intervention and has finally found his love for protoss.
On January 06 2016 02:23 rfv14 wrote: ThorZaIN pretty much confirmed on twitter it's him
That's awesome
Or it's just a troll. I mean, why should ThorZaiN play on NA... as Zerg? (assuming it's 'VillaiN' who's the one making a comeback.)
On January 06 2016 02:40 vOdToasT wrote: I believe and hope that it's not IdrA, for the same reason:
He dislikes the game and should spend his life doing better things.
He hated WoL and hated HotS. And at one point in the past even said that he's going to play LotV. I mean, I don't think it's IdrA, but I would not say it's impossible.
Whole hold my fucking hand, im starting to believe and it's not good. 5 years of being disappointed in SC has not prepared me for the potential disappointment here
On January 06 2016 02:16 TsogiMaster wrote: Why would Vortix or Lucifron comeback to SC if they are having great time in Heroes?
Why would Vortix leave for Heroes if he had a great time in Sc2?
The reason it is most likely Vortix is because he is the only one who realistically could be relevant in the scene as he was one of the top foreigners less than 1½ years ago. Like he stopped at the peak whereas someone like Thorzain was on a steady decline.
The fact that Kaelaris is the one who tweeted, makes me think it's an EU player. Why should it be an NA player just because a smurf account called VillaiN exists? I'm sure there are multiple smurfs on the EU server which aren't accounted for.
Yeah I don't think that's IdrA, just a twitch employee like Machine.
i find your lack of faith disturbing
lol, I just want to stop you before you can't take the disappointment, the whole tweet was just a joke about Machine playing sc2, you are seeing things because you want to!
OMG! Please be IdrA, also, one of the best foreigners... I can only think about Stephano or IdrA right comming back, so please be IdrA, this would be so damn awesome!
Any other pro regardless those two its like "meh" to me TBH... and I really think IdrA is what NA needs the more right now to hype it to sky
On January 06 2016 03:32 Alethios wrote: Grrrrr? Only foreigner to win a Korean major.
It sound seem odd for a BW-only foreign pro to say they're almost back at their previous level since they didn't really have a barometer for SC2. Unless this is actually about a BW foreigner coming back to BW .... which I kind of doubt. And if that was the case I'd say Elky is more likely since he was at Nation Wars.
I can see it, a new spot from EG with "Release the Gracken!!" And suddenly IdrA appearing... oh yeah, it needs to be IdrA, but he wanst to compete among the best, so the new WCS shouldn't like to him, or maybe he will be traveling to GSL later?
IdrA's pride is huge to be "the best of NA" and stay happy with it.
I downloaded a VilliaN replay, whoever it is has really nice hotkey usage although the hotkeys are probably remapped.
8-0 = army, and really nice use of all 3 control groups throughout the games 6 = pool to check on speed early game 2-3 = queens (maybe 2 = creep spread, 3 = injects) 1 = hatcheries
So almost definitely remapped to hide who it actually is.
On January 06 2016 04:11 jalstar wrote: I downloaded a VilliaN replay, whoever it is has really nice hotkey usage although the hotkeys are probably remapped.
8-0 = army, and really nice use of all 3 control groups throughout the games 6 = pool to check on speed early game 2-3 = queens (maybe 2 = creep spread, 3 = injects) 1 = hatcheries
So almost definitely remapped to hide who it actually is.
Did he hotkey a tire iron at any point during the match?
Thorzain is ptobably pissed about his low ranking in he best foreigner article. I'd love to see him spooning away at the baguette domination in Europe.
On January 06 2016 03:48 Topdoller wrote: I have a feeling its KiWiKaKi
I thought that Kiwikaki "came back" with ROOT a few months ago, but whatever happened with that idk....
Ya he showed some promise in very early LOTV beta but his rustiness showed and i saw a few games of his in Take's lotv beta tournament and it was quite apparent he was quite behind in terms of mechanics compared to other pros.
i think he probably realised it himself and gradually faded out.
What exactly is the cause for excitement here? We've had lots of former foreign greats retire, come back, lose 2-0 against people with no liquipedia page in the group stages. Are we actually expecting some kind of grand resurgence into contendership, whoever it is?
That being said, I hope it's Haypro, just for the lulz it would generate.
Well... it's not Jinro and seems like Stephano or IdrA neither, so meh, I don't think it will be something big with the rest of foreigner retired players.
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Yeah, this definitely seems to be as a player. I'm not sure whether this means the player(s) will do well though
On January 06 2016 04:32 The_Templar wrote: Head: Duran brothers or ThorZaIN, none of them are excluded by the tweets IMO Heart: Grubby or IdrA or Jinro or Stephano or Kiwikaki
Stwph wouldnt make sense, isnt he trying to get into med school? The others would be awesome though.
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Well, if this person left 2012-13 I wouldn't worry about him/her coming back at that skilllevel.
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Yeah, this definitely seems to be as a player. I'm not sure whether this means the player(s) will do well though
Or they think highly of themselves, aka nani steph and maybe sorta idra
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Well, if this person left 2012-13 I wouldn't worry about him/her coming back at that skilllevel.
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Well, if this person left 2012-13 I wouldn't worry about him/her coming back at that skilllevel.
Wait confirmed 2012 retiree?
No, but he's saying that players have gotten a lot better since 2012-2013.
On January 06 2016 04:32 Big J wrote: Oh wait, it hasn't been clarified that that person will be coming back as player. Probably just another player turned caster.
Then why would he be almost back to the level he was? (Exactly what nani said last year prior to beating nerch 3-1 )
Well, if this person left 2012-13 I wouldn't worry about him/her coming back at that skilllevel.
Wait confirmed 2012 retiree?
No, just saying that "being back at the old skill level" doesn't necessarily mean "good" in the current times.
On January 06 2016 04:32 The_Templar wrote: Head: Duran brothers or ThorZaIN, none of them are excluded by the tweets IMO Heart: Grubby or IdrA or Jinro or Stephano or Kiwikaki
Stwph wouldnt make sense, isnt he trying to get into med school? The others would be awesome though.
I really hope it's ThorZain. I feel like he's going to be in school for a while longer though. If he comes back I don't know if he'll have practice time to play at his highest level.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.
Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.
Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
idra making a comeback right now would be a great $$$$ move for him right now. A severely handicapped wcs system catering to foreigner "pros" + his name recognition = big contract from some org, most likley EG.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.
Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.
EJ! You are alive!
Kaelaris actually meant me, sorry for spoiling the beans
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
agree !
Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
I can't see IdrA coming back. He hated the game and he sucked at it towards the end of his career. Given stuchiu's article one would think that Kaelaris tries to hint towards that list. But maybe he is also completely unaware of it and just trying to hype someone up.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.
Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
Per his twitter I believe QXC has been playing zerg.
Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
agree !
Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had
Also true I guess. Also Grubby is a legend in his own right. NaNiwa didn't really stop playing though since he came back the last time, right? I am thinking more out-of-retirement and less took-a-break-from-sc2-for-a-few-months (NaNiwa)
On January 06 2016 04:48 HugoBallzak wrote: idra making a comeback right now would be a great $$$$ move for him right now. A severely handicapped wcs system catering to foreigner "pros" + his name recognition = big contract from some org, most likley EG.
Yea but Has plays this game now. I feel like idra can't anymore.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
Unless Kaelaris is talking old-school BW legend. But I doubt it.
Vortix and Lucifron are currently doing pretty well in Heroes so, unless they had a sudden change of mind after amazing showing at their last LAN, I wouldn't bet money on them.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
I think "one of the best" narrows it down to Thorzain, Idra, Vortix, and Lucifron.
agree !
Or Naniwa, or arguably grubby with some of the tournament runs he had
Could have been tod/grubby/naniwa/stephano, but different good reasons dismiss them. Naniwa is still an option ! But I don't think Kaelaris would speak of him in such mysterious terms, as he was playing/streaming a lot end of Hots.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.
I don't find that very indicative of being the smurf "VillaiN" or that he's "returning to old form". I see that as just "I'm playing games as Zerg and it's frustrating people lol"
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.
I don't find that very indicative of being the smurf "VillaiN" or that he's "returning to old form". I see that as just "I'm playing games as Zerg and it's frustrating people lol"
Entirely possible. it may be nothing, but it may also be something.
On January 06 2016 04:41 Vega62a wrote: QXC seems like a reasonable candidate for at least being VillaiN based on QXC's tweets about an aggressive/rage inducing playstyle.
Yeah but Zerg? Also I wouldn't consider qxc "one of the best"
Keep in mind that who you would consider the best and who kaelaris would consider the best may be wildly different. QXC in his time had some great accomplishments.
I'm not sure if you can find exact match histories online but the guy QXC played his profile is here
On January 06 2016 04:47 SuperHofmann wrote: I think qxc wasn't one of the best foreigner...
Plus he always had shifted in between huge motivation and not playing at all. So i wouldn´t take a comeback too serious, same goes with Nani at this point.
Candidates would be VortiX & Lucifron, both successfull in Heroes, so unlikely. Jinro, but extremly long absence and I feel like he enjoys his current life.(according to the limiting information trough twitter) Grubby, beeing a pretty big streamer in Heroes, doubtfull as well. (not really considered huge in sc2 as well) Beeing left with IdrA, one could dream and Thorzain, the imo most realistic one.
ps: Naniwa didn´t really "retired", nobody knows what he is up too.
Why would Thorzain return to pro gaming? Wasn't he studying medicine or something? Looking at other players : -Why would any European smurf on NA? What'd be the point? -So we're left with Idra and QXC
It would make no sense for Vortix and Luci to switch. Right now they're big fishes in a small pond and Heroes is getting a serious cash infusion via WCS this year. They are poised to take a good chunk of that. Financially it seems like the absolute wrong decision.
On January 06 2016 04:47 SuperHofmann wrote: I think qxc wasn't one of the best foreigner...
Plus he always had shifted in between huge motivation and not playing at all. So i wouldn´t take a comeback too serious, same goes with Nani at this point.
Candidates would be VortiX & Lucifron, both successfull in Heroes, so unlikely. Jinro, but extremly long absence and I feel like he enjoys his current life.(according to the limiting information trough twitter) Grubby, beeing a pretty big streamer in Heroes, doubtfull as well. (not really considered huge in sc2 as well) Beeing left with IdrA, one could dream and Thorzain, the imo most realistic one.
ps: Naniwa didn´t really "retired", nobody knows what he is up too.
NaNiwa is up to Tigerlily.
Jinro does love his MMA life. I doubt he'd come back to SC2 unless he just misses the game/fame dearly. IdrA is doubtful because his hatred for the game. But thing have changed, it's been awhile, and there's probably a mountain of cash waiting for him if he returns. ThorzaiN is probably the most realistic, if he's done with school.
Yeah, but how would he know? Keybindings are masked, and its a brand new account >_>
How does this entire sc2unmasked work? I mean, if someone isn't unmasked, doesn't that mean this guy can't possibly know who it is? Or does he ask for permission to 'unmask' them?
Liquid'Cris just said on stream that the team was "not disbanding, not yet at least". So there's that. But he skipped my question about Vortix and Lucifron so you never know
On January 06 2016 05:08 smOOthMayDie wrote: Yeah, it's not idrA. He sent a tweet 4 days ago that says hes just a student now, no relation to esports anymore.
On January 06 2016 05:08 smOOthMayDie wrote: Yeah, it's not idrA. He sent a tweet 4 days ago that says hes just a student now, no relation to esports anymore.
Yeah, I just went and read his tweets and replies - it sounds like he wasn't even aware LotV had come out.
On January 06 2016 05:12 Tenks wrote: Why is everyone certain it is an NA player only because Guitars sent a casual "this is a good win rate smurf" from NA?
I'm asking myself the same question. I have absolutely 0 idea if that account has anything to do with this at all
On January 06 2016 05:12 Tenks wrote: Why is everyone certain it is an NA player only because Guitars sent a casual "this is a good win rate smurf" from NA?
Real question though, is why would a non-NA player smurf on NA?
On January 06 2016 05:12 Tenks wrote: Why is everyone certain it is an NA player only because Guitars sent a casual "this is a good win rate smurf" from NA?
Real question though, is why would a non-NA player smurf on NA?
On January 06 2016 05:12 Tenks wrote: Why is everyone certain it is an NA player only because Guitars sent a casual "this is a good win rate smurf" from NA?
Real question though, is why would a non-NA player smurf on NA?
On January 06 2016 05:12 Tenks wrote: Why is everyone certain it is an NA player only because Guitars sent a casual "this is a good win rate smurf" from NA?
Real question though, is why would a non-NA player smurf on NA?
btw I do have coL.QXC still on my friends list from years back when I played him in an online tournament, he's been really active lately so it's probably him.
Since Scarlett, Stephano & Naniwa have remained somewhat "active" in the SC2 world, it has to be somebody like Thorzain or Idra to warrant this tweet from Kaelaris. Otherwise its just a troll post imo. Im guessing its one of those two.
There is a "good" barcode terran in europe that nobody knows, can't be one of the top tier terran we have right now + is very mannered, so i'd say Lucifron or thorzain
Another name, that wasn't mentioned at all: What about Sjow? I wouldn't personally consider him one of the absolute greatest, but if QXC gets thrown around, we probably should consider Sjow as well. How is his Hearthstone-career going?
On January 06 2016 05:38 Xoronius wrote: Another name, that wasn't mentioned at all: What about Sjow? I wouldn't personally consider him one of the absolute greatest, but if QXC gets thrown around, we probably should consider Sjow as well. How is his Hearthstone-career going?
He currently has 1100 twitch viewers which is probably better than what he'd get in SC2. Not that twitch views is the greatest indication of success.
On January 06 2016 05:38 Mlord wrote: There is a "good" barcode terran in europe that nobody knows, can't be one of the top tier terran we have right now + is very mannered, so i'd say Lucifron or thorzain
Is it possible to have a replay so we can compare the spam frequencies, hotkeys and such with those of thorzain/luci? :o
Eh this is obvious. Uncle Fathertoss Much has been practicing SC2 all this time, but still lost some games in practice. But now he knows he can't be beat in LotV so he comes back to scoop all the money, making it the biggest comeback story since Jesus.
Reddit also suggests the german terran hope Jürgen. It's really unlikely, that he is back to his former level again, but if that should be the case, it would be the greatest of possible news.
On January 06 2016 05:49 Mistakes wrote: A teammate of mine just said NonY's been playing. He's won almost 20 in a row now and he beat Scarlett.
NonY return?
Can NonY be considered one of the best foreigners of all time ?
Depends: In bw: I have no idea; possibly. He won TSL2, but I have not enough knowledge to judge, how high that can be rated. In Sc2: Not, unless you also want to consider Hanfy, Lalush, Diestar, Ziktomini and Sarens as well.
On January 06 2016 05:49 Mistakes wrote: A teammate of mine just said NonY's been playing. He's won almost 20 in a row now and he beat Scarlett.
NonY return?
Can NonY be considered one of the best foreigners of all time ?
Depends: In bw: I have no idea. In Sc2: Not, unless you also want to consider Hanfy, Lalush, Diestar, Ziktomini and Sarens as well.
HaNfy is an EPS champion, you might be on something.
Hanfy never officially retired AFAIK, so I don't think it's him.
By the way: Someone mentioned Hasu as the only 6-time EPS champion in history. As much as I would want that to be the case; it is technically not true, miou won 6 titles in WC3 as well.
Please not Idra, I feel like SC2 is literally bad for him, as much as I loved his persona in BW and WOL. Hopefully Nani, though a similar case could probably be made for him.
"One of the BEST foreigners". Can't be a bunch of nonames like Jurgen. Has to be Thorzain, Stephano or Idra...though it looked like Thorzain had moved on?
On January 06 2016 06:15 huller20 wrote: "One of the BEST foreigners". Can't be a bunch of nonames like Jurgen. Has to be Thorzain, Stephano or Idra...though it looked like Thorzain had moved on?
Personally I'd like somebody like Kiwikaki.
Jürgen was the best player we ever had in Europe :p
On January 06 2016 06:15 huller20 wrote: "One of the BEST foreigners". Can't be a bunch of nonames like Jurgen. Has to be Thorzain, Stephano or Idra...though it looked like Thorzain had moved on?
Personally I'd like somebody like Kiwikaki.
Are you calling Jürgen a noname? Do I not not understand your sarcasm or are really such a fool?
On January 06 2016 06:15 huller20 wrote: "One of the BEST foreigners". Can't be a bunch of nonames like Jurgen. Has to be Thorzain, Stephano or Idra...though it looked like Thorzain had moved on?
Personally I'd like somebody like Kiwikaki.
Are you calling Jürgen a noname? Do I not not understand your sarcasm or are really such a fool?
On January 06 2016 06:15 huller20 wrote: "One of the BEST foreigners". Can't be a bunch of nonames like Jurgen. Has to be Thorzain, Stephano or Idra...though it looked like Thorzain had moved on?
Personally I'd like somebody like Kiwikaki.
Are you calling Jürgen a noname? Do I not not understand your sarcasm or are really such a fool?
Well maybe he's hinting without actually saying it's a hint! Also he wasn't the one who said anything about ThorzaiN, it was just a retweet. So technically he hasn't gave us any hints yet? xD
This was posted in SC2, and here I got a little bit excited for the likes of Mondragon, Draco, Strelok, these unreal old schoolers. Then someone posted its zerg, and half my hopes were shattered. It's probably Gracken or maybe Dimaga playing on US servers + Show Spoiler +
It's HuK making a return, but this time with the good race choice
On January 06 2016 06:39 Latham wrote: This was posted in SC2, and here I got a little bit excited for the likes of Mondragon, Draco, Strelok, these unreal old schoolers. Then someone posted its zerg, and half my hopes were shattered. It's probably Gracken or maybe Dimaga playing on US servers + Show Spoiler +
It's HuK making a return, but this time with the good race choice
LOL @ MVP being a European, and Polt being an American. How pathetic do some of us foreigners have to be? Might as well tell themselves Santa Claus is real if it helps them sleep better.
Not hoping for Idra at all. We know how it will go. He'll play, get pwned, whine about balance, and exit the scene miserably again. For the sake of the scene, needs to be Stephano or Thorzain.
On January 06 2016 07:32 huller20 wrote: LOL @ MVP being a European, and Polt being an American. How pathetic do some of us foreigners have to be? Might as well tell themselves Santa Claus is real if it helps them sleep better.
Not hoping for Idra at all. We know how it will go. He'll play, get pwned, whine about balance, and exit the scene miserably again. For the sake of the scene, needs to be Stephano or Thorzain.
Sure it was painful the way he went out, but he didn´t shame himself like Naniwa. Maybe he´s matured who knows..
Initial thought was Grubby. Especially cause he and Kaelaris do Heroes stuff together.
The smurf Zerg account is interesting though. If it is Idra that would be awesome. With the changes to the scene, being much more of a viable career for foreigners, maybe it has tempted him to come back. One can only hope
On January 06 2016 07:53 jmbthirteen wrote: Initial thought was Grubby. Especially cause he and Kaelaris do Heroes stuff together.
The smurf Zerg account is interesting though. If it is Idra that would be awesome. With the changes to the scene, being much more of a viable career for foreigners, maybe it has tempted him to come back. One can only hope
Yeah that was my initial thought regarding Grubby as well. Would be so fcking awesome. Meanwhile he is streaming some Heroes - crushed dreams mate. He was definitley one of my favorite streamers..
Idra would be fun, but unlikely. He was always open about his dislike for the game, is no longer on EG and is studying full time.
Scar or Steph would make no sense since they are playing as it is. That leaves Nani or Thorzain, or any one of the Spanish brothers. No one else could reasonably be considered among the best foreigners of all time.
Edit: No way it's Grubby, unless the standards for "one of the best" have a very wide spectrum.
I'd love for it to be Idra for the story, but I can't imagine the Grack returning given the contempt he had for the game. It always seemed to me that he was only playing to finally cash in on his years of Korean training.
Naniwa I could see but he's already done the unretire thing once, hasn't he? Thorzain and Stephano both don't make sense - they're both committed to their studies as far as I know, and Stephano's skills have been on display recently and aren't up to snuff. Scarlett has also been around, so the whole tease wouldn't make any sense if it were her.
I feel like it's probably HasuObs or Jinro. I don't feel like HasuObs coming back would warrant the whole hype thing (though Kaelaris might just see that differently), so I'm really hoping it's Jinro.
I can't believe how many people are thinking it's Idra.
There's a 0% chance he's coming back.
I remember reading this ultra sarcastic tweet on his twitter in June: "down 1-2 in wcs finals. blind exp to the center of a 4 player map. boy I'm so sad I stopped playing this game"
On January 06 2016 09:13 DuckloadBlackra wrote: I can't believe how many people are thinking it's Idra.
There's a 0% chance he's coming back.
I remember reading this ultra sarcastic tweet on his twitter in June: "down 1-2 in wcs finals. blind exp to the center of a 4 player map. boy I'm so sad I stopped playing this game"
Plexa already said it isn't Jinro as well. That would be awesome, but I think his pro days are done
I'd be happy to see Grubby back, even when he switched to Heroes, he was still damn good at SC. Thorzain would be awesome too. I don't know who else it would be to warrant the hype. Maybe the Duran Bros, but they're pretty entrenched in HotS, plus they're on Liquid, and it'd be weird if they switched to the SC2 squad. And I wouldn't think Idra and Kaelaris are particularly close...
I'd love it if Idra came back, but for the sake of the guy I hope he's doing something else with his life. He's never going to accomplish anything at SC2.
On January 06 2016 10:41 Empirimancer wrote: I'd love it if Idra came back, but for the sake of the guy I hope he's doing something else with his life. He's never going to accomplish anything at SC2.
Heh, this thread just reminds of how uninterested I am in watching foreigners play SC2. I was like "hmm, which foreigner showed acceptable levels of play but retired?" and then I saw the names being suggested. None of them hold any interest to me whatsoever.
Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
EDIT: And yeah it's not me haha, but thx for thinking of me @ all the people who guessed it was me.
Dimaga also makes sense, but didn't he retire quite recently? Or is my sense of time really bad :D?
On January 06 2016 13:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
You're just trying to divert attention from yourself
On January 06 2016 13:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
You're just trying to divert attention from yourself
Was my first thought too.
Clearly he decided to come back so he could move up the GOAT Foreigner rankings!
On January 06 2016 13:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
You're just trying to divert attention from yourself
Do you think Plexa would lie to us?
On January 06 2016 03:42 Plexa wrote: It's definitely not Jinro.
Why is this thread so big ? This is blowing out of proportion so much. lol
I'm pretty sure it's just one of the good european feeling like playing the game a bit again. Until we see that player back in tournaments, this announce literally hold zero meaning. Especially if it concern the european scene where the difference between active and retired is your envoy to sign up for online cups.
Wow, good to see the @StarCraft Community so hyped ;D P.S. I know you hate me for this haha.
D P S?
Naniwa = Johan Lucchesi Idra = Greg Fields Stephano = Ilyes Satouri White Ra = Aleksey Krupnyik Vortix = Juan Moreno Duran Lucifron = Pedro Moreno Duran Thorzain = Markus Eklof Grubby = Manuel Schenkhuizen Scarlett = Sasha Hostyn Goswser = Micheal Dobler elfi = Samuli Sihvonen HasuObs = Dennis Schnider day 9 = Sean Plott ;P
Wow, good to see the @StarCraft Community so hyped ;D P.S. I know you hate me for this haha.
D P S?
Naniwa = Johan Lucchesi Idra = Greg Fields Stephano = Ilyes Satouri White Ra = Aleksey Krupnyik Vortix = Juan Moreno Duran Lucifron = Pedro Moreno Duran Thorzain = Markus Eklof Grubby = Manuel Schenkhuizen Scarlett = Sasha Hostyn Goswser = Micheal Dobler elfi = Samuli Sihvonen HasuObs = Dennis Schnider day 9 = Sean Plott ;P
Wow, good to see the @StarCraft Community so hyped ;D P.S. I know you hate me for this haha.
D P S?
Naniwa = Johan Lucchesi Idra = Greg Fields Stephano = Ilyes Satouri White Ra = Aleksey Krupnyik Vortix = Juan Moreno Duran Lucifron = Pedro Moreno Duran Thorzain = Markus Eklof Grubby = Manuel Schenkhuizen Scarlett = Sasha Hostyn Goswser = Micheal Dobler elfi = Samuli Sihvonen HasuObs = Dennis Schnider day 9 = Sean Plott ;P
Kaelaris hints aren't so useful ;D
P.S. Jinro we still love you ;P
You forgot the biggest person...
ARTOSIS = Dan Stemkoski First and Last initial = D.S. Artosis plays Protoss = D.(P).S
Well if we're going to go full analysis on this, it's someone that Kaelaris would know comes back before anyone else. So it's either someone from Heroes or someone from mouz, and obviously a european. Thorzain, Hasu, VortiX... Of those three, Thorzain makes the most sense, VortiX the least. Thorzain also had some sort of show with Kaelaris when they were in mouz together so that could have helped with still being in contact. Hasu seems pretty likely too (especially if it's true that his heroes team just disbanded) but I'm not sure he would want to build up so much hype around hasu coming back, as he was clearly declining when he changed games.
Wow, good to see the @StarCraft Community so hyped ;D P.S. I know you hate me for this haha.
D P S?
Naniwa = Johan Lucchesi Idra = Greg Fields Stephano = Ilyes Satouri White Ra = Aleksey Krupnyik Vortix = Juan Moreno Duran Lucifron = Pedro Moreno Duran Thorzain = Markus Eklof Grubby = Manuel Schenkhuizen Scarlett = Sasha Hostyn Goswser = Micheal Dobler elfi = Samuli Sihvonen HasuObs = Dennis Schnider day 9 = Sean Plott ;P
Kaelaris hints aren't so useful ;D
P.S. Jinro we still love you ;P
It's the smiley followed by P.S.
Not a clue
Well, i think you may be right, so he is Plott Sean Lol ;P
I think Hasu or Socke would be the best guesses since Roccat heroes disbanded last month (as mentioned before). Since Socke didn't seem too enthusiastic about SC2 before switching to heroes, I'd guess it has to be HasuObs.
Stephano played in Nation Wars, so it's not him. Naniwa has been 'back' for a while.
Jinro, Idra and Thorzain are the only real possibilities here.
Those saying Grubby probably aren't aware of the fact he is making a pretty healthy living out of Heroes streaming/casting. Same people may not be aware Vortix and Lucifron are playing for Liquid's Heroes team. Same goes for Hasuobs and Socke who play for Roccat (if they were ever considered in this discussion).
I really hope it's Grack. He was the reason I got into SC2 to begin with. And he'd definitely be a reason to get into LoTV. I guess.
On January 06 2016 14:34 BronzeKnee wrote: Well if it is really one of the best foreigners then the list is pretty short: Thorzain, Idra, Stephano, Naniwa and Jinro.
I highly doubt it is Jinro. Idra, as much as I want him to return probably isn't. So that leaves Stephano, Thorzain and Naniwa.
Just please let it be Idra.
Speaking of which... Thorzain should be finishing his school by now I think? Or was he studying medicine so it's longer?
Who is so big that they can't casually announce their return? That they deserve this kind of hype?
Who could return to the next foreigner tournament and become a focus of the show? And isn't openly playing the game currently?? There's just no one I can think of that is remotely realistic.
I'm just expecting an underwhelming announcement of another forgettable upper tier foreigner to be added to the mix. I suggest others keep their expectations low. Expect someone like Hasu, not someone like Mondragon.
On January 06 2016 13:00 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Come on it's obviously a european, "I'm already close to the level I had". Level I had.
Definitely european. Luci/vortix/thorzain/white-ra would all make sense for me. But I think luci and vortix are still playing heroes, so thorzain or white-ra :d? Though I don't think it's white-ra, sooooooo I'm guessing thorzain.
EDIT: And yeah it's not me haha, but thx for thinking of me @ all the people who guessed it was me.
Dimaga also makes sense, but didn't he retire quite recently? Or is my sense of time really bad :D?
Thanks for confirming, or maybe just misdirecting all of us Jinro Then out of nowhere, BAM! Jinro returns and starts tearing shit up in LotV.
On January 06 2016 14:44 Befree wrote: Who is so big that they can't casually announce their return? That they deserve this kind of hype?
Who could return to the next foreigner tournament and become a focus of the show? And isn't openly playing the game currently?? There's just no one I can think of that is remotely realistic.
I'm just expecting an underwhelming announcement of another forgettable upper tier foreigner to be added to the mix. I suggest others keep their expectations low. Expect someone like Hasu, not someone like Mondragon.
Yup, absolutely agree, I am curious now but the hype has gone after knowing it wasn't Jinro, IdrA or Stephano, and I know for sure it isn't WhiteRa but I am happy with his stream actually.
On January 06 2016 14:44 Befree wrote: Who is so big that they can't casually announce their return? That they deserve this kind of hype?
Who could return to the next foreigner tournament and become a focus of the show? And isn't openly playing the game currently?? There's just no one I can think of that is remotely realistic.
I'm just expecting an underwhelming announcement of another forgettable upper tier foreigner to be added to the mix. I suggest others keep their expectations low. Expect someone like Hasu, not someone like Mondragon.
That's how I expect it to be. I think the only player that would shock me would be Idra or Jinro (who already said it wasn't him). I know it isn't Idra and I just can't think of any other "top" foreigner that would unretire.
Scarlett isn't retired, Naniwa is Naniwa, Huk hasn't retired... Oh well we'll find out eventually lol.
Kaelaris casts Heroes of the Storm nowadays, which makes me think he keeps close contact with Vortix, so the little birdy is Vortix who has had enough Heroes.
On January 06 2016 15:29 xtorn wrote: Kaelaris casts Heroes of the Storm nowadays, which makes me think he keeps close contact with Vortix, so the little birdy is Vortix who has had enough Heroes.
Man, if it's Vortix coming back, I would shit my pants. He was a great player.
Someone get replays of matches with the VillaiN account and check the hotkey maps against replays of the top suspects. I know LotV throws a wrench in the works but it should still help narrow the list.
On January 06 2016 15:29 xtorn wrote: Kaelaris casts Heroes of the Storm nowadays, which makes me think he keeps close contact with Vortix, so the little birdy is Vortix who has had enough Heroes.
This is where it's a massive plot twist and the returning player turns out to be ToD
On January 06 2016 16:22 coolman123123 wrote: It's Vortix. You can choose to believe otherwise, but it's Voritx.
I have a hard time defining Vortix as "one of the best foreigners of all time". Even stuchiu gave him the "almost" label in his top foreigners write up. Did he ever actually win any major tournament?
I'm actually just bitter it isn't Idra actually, Vortix was an incredibly good player...
I would love to see one of the spanish brothers come back to the scene! SaSe would be cool too! He has so much potential to rekt everyone! Thorzain too! So much players cant telll D: !
Why is everyone forgetting Sase? He was a very good foreigner with lots of potential, who pretty much vanished when he went to korea to train. It would make more sense that he is comming back then vortix or lucifron since they are playing heroes.
Com'on Kaelaris... This guy just loves to hype and exaggerate... There are very few that can be called "best foreigners of all time" Pretty sure it's just a good/ solid foreigner.
If he really means "one of the best foreigners" it kinda narrows it down to vortix, stephano, jinro, idra, thorzain. Since Jinro said it is not him we can cross him off the list, Probably not vortix since judging from what people says in this thread he does well in heroes of the storm. Don't think it is Stephano since he obviously is no where near his level. Could be Idra but since "close to the level I had" apperently is not something an American would say it is probably not him. Leaves Thorzain which we haven't heard from in a while and according to his twitter he have downloaded starcraft.
But "one of the best foreigners" could mean he was top 20 for a while, so it could be anyone.
I could be wrong but "close to the level I had" doesn't sound like how a native speaker would frame it, to me.
Tbh the phrasing makes me want to say it's not a swedish speaker either but not so sure about that, kinda want to say spanish or french, or maybe eastern european.
On January 06 2016 22:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I could be wrong but "close to the level I had" doesn't sound like how a native speaker would frame it, to me.
Tbh the phrasing makes me want to say it's not a swedish speaker either but not so sure about that, kinda want to say spanish or french, or maybe eastern european.
On January 06 2016 22:50 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I could be wrong but "close to the level I had" doesn't sound like how a native speaker would frame it, to me.
Tbh the phrasing makes me want to say it's not a swedish speaker either but not so sure about that, kinda want to say spanish or french, or maybe eastern european.
On January 07 2016 00:08 Ludwigvan wrote: 22 hours later...
Does your van use a lot of fuel? Or does it run on electricity? Hybrid? Ludwig vans are notorious for their high fuel usage T_T.
Inb4 it's State, instead of vortix and his crew.
No chance it's State, State is getting very good and practices a lot consistently, but he never was among the most visible and "best of all time" non-Koreans. He may become one though, would be great to see his practice in Korea pay off.
I think that VortiX, Lucifron and others aren't "the best of all time", I personally see them as some sort of an episode in the foreign scene (edit: it's really just an impression I'm having, don't hate me on that). Would be nice to see one of them returning anyway. We need to perform an investigation of Kaelaris's psychological profile to find out who he can and who he cannot consider "best" :s
Honestly considering the hype this speculation already got, i think we can only be disappointed from here on out :D
But yeah i agree, considering it came from Kaelaris, its most certainly not idra. And knowing how he usually overhypes things a little, its propably not "one of the best foreigners of all time" but simply a good foreigner, like lucifron/vortix, or one of the easter EU guys.
On January 06 2016 22:35 Negius wrote: Pls let it be Scarlett, NaNiwa or Stephano. I want one of those competing with toplevel Koreans again (pref. in the GSL).
No. They are all semi active, that would be far from the meaning of "comeback".
One day is gone, i still hope it's ThorZaiN but my head says its more likely Vortix. If it's none of these two i hope Kaelaris reveals the player soon without further hyping because it could just backfire then.
Anyone heard a word from Happy? I´d consider him one of the best for a very long period. I recall almost everyone of the top Europeans saying that he was the Ladder Nemesis#1 Did he even retire? Dunno just a guess
I casted a small tournament with a 50 dollar pricepool or something around that. He played and won that tournament, in the finals versus dimaga. I have the guy on my friends list, he has played around 60 games on his "official" account and achieved gm. It could be that he is playing on a smurf though.
On January 07 2016 02:35 MperorM1 wrote: I casted a small tournament with a 50 dollar pricepool or something around that. He played and won that tournament, in the finals versus dimaga. I have the guy on my friends list, he has played around 60 games on his "official" account and achieved gm. It could be that he is playing on a smurf though.
Nani is still somewhat active, will have to see how well he does in WCS/ if he tries to qualify I would be incredibly hyped for Grubby, huge fan of his but realistically, this is probably gonna be one of the spanish brothers.
On January 07 2016 00:08 Ludwigvan wrote: 22 hours later...
Does your van use a lot of fuel? Or does it run on electricity? Hybrid? Ludwig vans are notorious for their high fuel usage T_T.
Inb4 it's State, instead of vortix and his crew.
State is Rank 1 GM in Korea sooooooo
Yeah, he was rank 1 because Blizzard messed up the ladder so a bunch of people got kicked from GM. It's unfortunate he's never getting results in tournaments :/
On January 07 2016 03:20 SharkStarcraft wrote: Nani is still somewhat active, will have to see how well he does in WCS/ if he tries to qualify I would be incredibly hyped for Grubby, huge fan of his but realistically, this is probably gonna be one of the spanish brothers.
Return of Grubby would be the happiest day of my life. Look at his face after he beat nerchio in WCS EU 2012, and Mvp in WCS EU 2013 (?) Those looks alone should earn him the largest fan club on TL
The wonderful thing is that Kaelaris basically told us that someone is coming back, but we don't know when, for all we know he could wait one month before announcing his return. So here we are, waiting as if it was to be announced tomorrow.
On January 07 2016 03:20 SharkStarcraft wrote: Nani is still somewhat active, will have to see how well he does in WCS/ if he tries to qualify I would be incredibly hyped for Grubby, huge fan of his but realistically, this is probably gonna be one of the spanish brothers.
Return of Grubby would be the happiest day of my life. Look at his face after he beat nerchio in WCS EU 2012, and Mvp in WCS EU 2013 (?) Those looks alone should earn him the largest fan club on TL
Grubby being Grubby alone should earn him the largest fan club in the universe
It's not Idra. I don't see Idra volunteering this information to Kaelaris without telling him to go F*** himself somewhere in between the conversation.
On January 07 2016 03:36 darkness wrote: Maybe Nony? He was very good in BW but I wish it was Draco. It's possible it could also be Mondragon.
Draco was the best
NonY has been streaming about 3 hours every day. He's high Masters on NA and Masters on KR as well. He never officially retired though right? Just took a break from the game and Liquid but still keeping up with streaming.
On January 07 2016 03:36 darkness wrote: Maybe Nony? He was very good in BW but I wish it was Draco. It's possible it could also be Mondragon.
Draco was the best
NonY has been streaming about 3 hours every day. He's high Masters on NA and Masters on KR as well. He never officially retired though right? Just took a break from the game and Liquid but still keeping up with streaming.
dont think kaelaris was active when nony won tsl, plus i dont think his writing style fits the quote
On January 07 2016 13:48 travis wrote: I have to assume it is a sc2 guy. sc1 guys are old and it would seem weird to say "back at my old level" when it's a completely different game.
but, then that doesn't leave very many people.
Also Kaelaris has nothing at all to do with BW...?
On January 07 2016 15:39 coolman123123 wrote: guys, I'm serious, it's Vortix 100%. This isn't me guessing. It's Vortix. Stop speculating, you'll only be disappointed.
i'm already disappointed because moonglade was better than all the other korean league casters combined. not sure how interested i am in watching without him
On January 07 2016 18:42 Nerchio wrote: Kaelaris is connected to Heroes scene and it's not possible to be "close to the level I had" as Zerg or Terran. So it must be protoss = Grubby!
On January 07 2016 18:42 Nerchio wrote: Kaelaris is connected to Heroes scene and it's not possible to be "close to the level I had" as Zerg or Terran. So it must be protoss = Grubby!
with that explanation i would guess its Hasu
I cannot consider Hasu as one of the best foreigners, he was clearly good, but not the best. Thinking in that way it could be every good sc2 pro that moved to Heroes, which leaves us with probably 3 names:
Vortix or Lucifron makes sense, and competition wise heroes is a pretty dull game (in my opinions ofc). I play it alot still and I gave it a shot watching the pro games, feels pretty casual to me. I can totally understand if someone like Vortix wants back to SC2.
On January 07 2016 18:42 Nerchio wrote: Kaelaris is connected to Heroes scene and it's not possible to be "close to the level I had" as Zerg or Terran. So it must be protoss = Grubby!
with that explanation i would guess its Hasu
I cannot consider Hasu as one of the best foreigners, he was clearly good, but not the best. Thinking in that way it could be every good sc2 pro that moved to Heroes, which leaves us with probably 3 names:
Vortix Lucifron Grubby
less possible:
Hasu Socke
yeah but Kaelaris <3 "Meisterschaft"; i don't really believe its Hasu but if it would be a protoss i think he's the most likely one. Grubby said several times that he lost his passion for Sc2 and his Heroes stream looks healthy (viewers), so i don't think its him either. not sure if i would consider Lucifron as a much more significant player then Hasu, i would bet on Vortix.
Aside from naniwa(obs. not) and Idra(hardly), all other suggestions are not even close to being "one of the best foreigners" in this thread. If it is not some sort of BW legend foreigner I am not aware of, it'll not match the hype Kaelaris created.
On January 08 2016 01:16 stuchiu wrote: idra hates sc2, why do all of his fans want him to play something he hates?
New game, new units, new economy? People hoping is all, however bleak the chances are.. It's only speculation because of the NA GM smurf Villian.
pylons can shoot in this game and his fans think idra wants to play it?
I was thinking more about the 8 armor ultra and parasitic bomb that might entice him to return, but you have a point there.... Yeah no way he comes back.
At that point it would be very sad for the player if he is not Vortix, Thor or Luci (or even Grubby but pretty sure it's not him, nor is it IdrA), because all the other names haven't been brought up much haha
On January 08 2016 04:29 Poopi wrote: At that point it would be very sad for the player if he is not Vortix, Thor or Luci (or even Grubby but pretty sure it's not him, nor is it IdrA), because all the other names haven't been brought up much haha
On January 08 2016 04:00 Penev wrote: "I'm already close to the level I had" isn't European, it's non native English speaker
Welcome back Fenix
it sounds like it was translated from spanish, Fenix would be funny but everything points to Vortix.
how does that sound spanish
It sounds spanish as it could sound french. That is the literal translation of what a spanish/french speaker would say
Is it? I could say exactly the same way anytime. Don't see how should it sounds just like spanish or french.
I don't know anything about ukrainian :D
What I meant, is if you replace every word of the sentence by a spanish/french one, in the same order, it is the literal translation. And there are not that much sentences that can be translated word by word from french to english and make sense. Well, there are, but told this way it sounds latin. So it's Vortix. Illuminati confirmed -_-
But yeah ! could be the same in 1000 other languages, I just tell you what I know hehe
I mean he was the best cannonrusher. Kaelaris didn't specify what the person he knows was the best in.
It could be Bling for the best dressing style It could be Stephano for best arrest photo It could be Naniwa for the best tournament complaints It could be Hasuobs for the best ingame patience It could be Dimaga for the best smile It could be Scoobers or Sjaak for the best hype train
Well Vortix and Stephano are basically the only two left. Given that there is not that much connexion between Stephano and Kaelaris, it really seems like we're talking Vortix here.
On January 08 2016 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Maybe it's Gaulzi who pyloned his way into GM
I mean he was the best cannonrusher. Kaelaris didn't specify what the person he knows was the best in.
It could be Bling for the best dressing style It could be Stephano for best arrest photo It could be Naniwa for the best tournament complaints It could be Hasuobs for the best ingame patience It could be Dimaga for the best smile It could be Scoobers or Sjaak for the best hype train
I would take Gaulzi over everyone but Idra and Mycerion
On January 08 2016 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Maybe it's Gaulzi who pyloned his way into GM
I mean he was the best cannonrusher. Kaelaris didn't specify what the person he knows was the best in.
It could be Bling for the best dressing style It could be Stephano for best arrest photo It could be Naniwa for the best tournament complaints It could be Hasuobs for the best ingame patience It could be Dimaga for the best smile It could be Scoobers or Sjaak for the best hype train
I would take Gaulzi over everyone but Idra and Mycerion
On January 08 2016 07:33 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote: Maybe it's Gaulzi who pyloned his way into GM
I mean he was the best cannonrusher. Kaelaris didn't specify what the person he knows was the best in.
It could be Bling for the best dressing style It could be Stephano for best arrest photo It could be Naniwa for the best tournament complaints It could be Hasuobs for the best ingame patience It could be Dimaga for the best smile It could be Scoobers or Sjaak for the best hype train
I would take Gaulzi over everyone but Idra and Mycerion
Anyone who thought it was Idra were just fooling themselves. I really doubt the player is "one of the best foreigners" and was probably a good one, but nothing too extraordinary imo.
On January 08 2016 13:44 Brutaxilos wrote: Naniwa is streaming right now. I'm pretty sure Kaelaris isn't talking about Naniwa, but I haven't seen him play in a while so just a heads up.
Naniwa was in State chat the other day saying it wasn't him.
Don't think it would be someone like Nani, Stephano etc who are still semi-active.
This thread is silly. It's going to be a giant letdown when its Vortix who was really only successful during the BL/Infestor days. There's probably 1-3 foreign players that could generate a 33+ page thread soley based on the fact they were returning, so the odds are it will be disappointing when this mysteriousu person is revealed -- if ever... and when?
On January 08 2016 14:35 NKexquisite wrote: This thread is silly. It's going to be a giant letdown when its Vortix who was really only successful during the BL/Infestor days. There's probably 1-3 foreign players that could generate a 33+ page thread soley based on the fact they were returning, so the odds are it will be disappointing when this mysteriousu person is revealed -- if ever... and when?
Yes it will be a giant letdown if it is Vortix, as good as he was.
I've still got my fingers crossed that is Idra and everyone that knows is keeping it a secret. I'm still assuming this VilliaN guy who is a Zerg player on the NA ladder is related to this announcement.
On January 08 2016 14:35 NKexquisite wrote: This thread is silly. It's going to be a giant letdown when its Vortix who was really only successful during the BL/Infestor days. There's probably 1-3 foreign players that could generate a 33+ page thread soley based on the fact they were returning, so the odds are it will be disappointing when this mysteriousu person is revealed -- if ever... and when?
While it might have been during the era of BL / Infestor, Vortix played a lot of different strategies than just BL / infestor abuse... remember that amazing roach + baneling drop game vs Protoss on Cloud Kingdom?
edit: I'd love to see one of the original good but not quite great pros like Haypro / Select, but I really doubt they'll be coming back.
On January 08 2016 14:35 NKexquisite wrote: This thread is silly. It's going to be a giant letdown when its Vortix who was really only successful during the BL/Infestor days. There's probably 1-3 foreign players that could generate a 33+ page thread soley based on the fact they were returning, so the odds are it will be disappointing when this mysteriousu person is revealed -- if ever... and when?
Yes it will be a giant letdown if it is Vortix, as good as he was.
I've still got my fingers crossed that is Idra and everyone that knows is keeping it a secret. I'm still assuming this VilliaN guy who is a Zerg player on the NA ladder is related to this announcement.
Well I know for a fact it's Vortix. It is disappointing because I'd love to see Idra as well but it is definitely Vortix. No one seems to be taking me seriously in this thread but I actually know this for a fact.
Explain why it is a fact then :o who told you. Also in spite of his terrible ranking in the foreigner ranking, VortiX has been dominating hard so it's kinda cool but LucifroN with him would be far better, too many zergs already :/.
Both Vortix and Lucifron have been very inactive on Heroes it seems. At least they aren't playing hero league at all since 12/12 (well ok vortix played ONE game on the 25 ). You can see it here :
On January 08 2016 19:05 RouaF wrote: Both Vortix and Lucifron have been very inactive on Heroes it seems. At least they aren't playing hero league at all since 12/12 (well ok vortix played ONE game on the 25 ). You can see it here :
Vortix was not only strong during BL/Infestor days, gotta love how often foreign zerg's achievements are played down. He was incredibly strong during HotS in 2013 and 2014 and he was never a SH player. He crushed players like MMA, Mvp and ForGG with ease. Him returning would be way more exciting than IdrA returning, because he would actually be competitive.
On January 08 2016 19:05 RouaF wrote: Both Vortix and Lucifron have been very inactive on Heroes it seems. At least they aren't playing hero league at all since 12/12 (well ok vortix played ONE game on the 25 ). You can see it here :
On January 08 2016 19:05 RouaF wrote: Both Vortix and Lucifron have been very inactive on Heroes it seems. At least they aren't playing hero league at all since 12/12 (well ok vortix played ONE game on the 25 ). You can see it here :
Blizzard should really stop to show accounts publicly. Even worse than facebook.
hotslogs works by players uploading replays, it doesn't automatically gather match data. However, just one of the 10 players in a game need to upload it for it to appear on hotslogs for all involved players.
On January 08 2016 19:37 Musicus wrote: Vortix was not only strong during BL/Infestor days, gotta love how often foreign zerg's achievements are played down. He was incredibly strong during HotS in 2013 and 2014 and he was never a SH player. He crushed players like MMA, Mvp and ForGG with ease. Him returning would be way more exciting than IdrA returning, because he would actually be competitive.
eu zerg bardcode owning everyone, no pros know about him kaeleris has the info (from heroes) the phrasing sounded french or spanish eu pros poking him on twitter
-> vortix
ohohoh
The only real question here is: will he stay on Liquid or will he come back to Millenium :o)
eu zerg bardcode owning everyone, no pros know about him kaeleris has the info (from heroes) the phrasing sounded french or spanish eu pros poking him on twitter
-> vortix
ohohoh
The only real question here is: will he stay on Liquid or will he come back to Millenium :o)
Yeh also my reasoning. Think about this: If Thorzain would make a comeback.... So what? Like he would have no chance at being competitive + his still in school. Like at best he is gonna be a part time SC2 player, and that's something he has previously prooved he wasn't capable of doing very well. Thus, it would be unlikely Kalaeries actually would tweet about something that would have no impact on the competitive scene.
Vortix on the other hand is different. Like he could quickly still be one of the best foreign zergs with 2 months of LOTV practice or so and has prooved that he can do well playing Sc2 part time. Plus all he needs to do is to stop playing Heroes and start playing LOTV.
And ofc it makes sense that Kalaeris would know about a Heroes player switching back to Sc2. Not sure how he would have inside knowledge if it was Thorzain.
Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to the level I was at" would be better, but I think people are reading too much into the grammar. Native speakers use incorrect english all the time, because it's slang or colloquial language. Vortix might not have the best english, but someone like Thorzain has better english than HuK for example imo.
On January 08 2016 14:35 NKexquisite wrote: This thread is silly. It's going to be a giant letdown when its Vortix who was really only successful during the BL/Infestor days. There's probably 1-3 foreign players that could generate a 33+ page thread soley based on the fact they were returning, so the odds are it will be disappointing when this mysteriousu person is revealed -- if ever... and when?
Yes it will be a giant letdown if it is Vortix, as good as he was.
I've still got my fingers crossed that is Idra and everyone that knows is keeping it a secret. I'm still assuming this VilliaN guy who is a Zerg player on the NA ladder is related to this announcement.
I mean if you're ready to believe something like that any time someone goes for a little mystery, you're bound to get disappointed. IdrA doesn't want to play anymore, has said that he's just a student now, and he has no specific contact with Kaelaris that would explain how Kaelaris would be the one to know it and announce it. Of course it isn't IdrA.
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to my old level", I think. Or "The level I was at".
When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
I was at DH Valencia '14 and watched a live game of him vs Mana, the crowd went nuts, cheering like crazy. That was one beautifuly moment in eSports. Then, in the main stage he got demolished by MC, who even apologized for beating the local hero
I'd love it if it were Vortix. Also it would be nice to see Lucifron try some more thor drops.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
No wonder since in your eyes everything done by a Korean is amazing and wonderful while horrible and disgusting if done by European/American
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
No wonder since in your eyes everything done by a Korean is amazing and wonderful while horrible and disgusting if done by European/American
Well in that tournament the only amazing thing being done by foreigners were zergs dominating everyone with bl/I. Everyone except MVP that is who did some serious WORK to turn the entire matchup on its head. Nothing to do with being Korean, just being an amazing 1 of a kind in a class of his own player.
Actually I take that back, I think that is when nerchio used the drone trick to stop the DT's from killing his base ( MC's maybe?). That was kind of cool.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
No wonder since in your eyes everything done by a Korean is amazing and wonderful while horrible and disgusting if done by European/American
Well in that tournament the only amazing thing being done by foreigners were zergs dominating everyone with bl/I. Everyone except MVP that is who did some serious WORK to turn the entire matchup on its head. Nothing to do with being Korean, just being an amazing 1 of a kind in a class of his own player.
Actually I take that back, I think that is when nerchio used the drone trick to stop the DT's from killing his base ( MC's maybe?). That was kind of cool.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
No wonder since in your eyes everything done by a Korean is amazing and wonderful while horrible and disgusting if done by European/American
Well in that tournament the only amazing thing being done by foreigners were zergs dominating everyone with bl/I. Everyone except MVP that is who did some serious WORK to turn the entire matchup on its head. Nothing to do with being Korean, just being an amazing 1 of a kind in a class of his own player.
Actually I take that back, I think that is when nerchio used the drone trick to stop the DT's from killing his base ( MC's maybe?). That was kind of cool.
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to my old level", I think. Or "The level I was at".
Natives wouldn't end sentences with prepositions...
VortiX has been so much better than IdrA, Sheth or whoever zerg that is really retired (wtf is this ranking xd) that it's like the best player possible coming back at that point, gogo :d
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to my old level", I think. Or "The level I was at".
Natives wouldn't end sentences with prepositions...
...or sadly enough we would, haha.
Pff, I should have quit while I was ahead and left it at one example xD
Honestly with all the semi-retired players, it's hard to pick who is coming back. Like, are any of the following actually "gone"; Scarlett, Stephano, Naniwa .. etc.
I really doubt it's IdrA, but he was always fun to cheer for, so it would be cool seeing him back.
Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
On January 08 2016 22:47 HugoBallzak wrote: When I try to remember vortix, all I can remember is broodlord infestor and him gettin smacked down by mvp at that iem where he was hyped as shit after mvp came in with an amazing counter build that tournament.
No wonder since in your eyes everything done by a Korean is amazing and wonderful while horrible and disgusting if done by European/American
Well in that tournament the only amazing thing being done by foreigners were zergs dominating everyone with bl/I. Everyone except MVP that is who did some serious WORK to turn the entire matchup on its head. Nothing to do with being Korean, just being an amazing 1 of a kind in a class of his own player.
Actually I take that back, I think that is when nerchio used the drone trick to stop the DT's from killing his base ( MC's maybe?). That was kind of cool.
I think those were Yonghwas during HSC final.
Ah I think you are right. Oh well.
IEM is where Nerchio beat one of the hottest Zergs in a mirror and beat MC with a fake 3rd all-in.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
Ok sorry for wrong words. I will correct.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad results because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to my old level", I think. Or "The level I was at".
Natives wouldn't end sentences with prepositions...
...or sadly enough we would, haha.
From one of my favorite plays.
HOSTESS Ah, there you are at last, Nepommuck. Have you found out all about the Doolittle lady?
NEPOMMUCK I have found out all about her. She is a fraud.
HOSTESS A fraud! Oh, no.
NEPOMMUCK Yes, yes. She cannot deceive me. Her name cannot be Doolittle.
HIGGINS Why?
NEPOMMUCK Because Doolittle is an English name. And she is not English.
HOSTESS Oh, nonsense! She speaks English perfectly.
NEPOMMUCK Too perfectly. Can you show me any English woman who speaks English as it should be spoken? Only foreigners who have been taught to speak it speak it well.
HOSTESS Certainly she terrified me by the way she said How d'ye do. I had a schoolmistress who talked like that; and I was mortally afraid of her. But if she is not English what is she?
NEPOMMUCK Hungarian.
ALL THE REST Hungarian!
NEPOMMUCK Hungarian. And of royal blood. I am Hungarian. My blood is royal.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
No results? Were you born yesterday?
Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
No results? Were you born yesterday?
Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
We don't need to imagine.
It happened. Stephano beat everyone.
On January 09 2016 02:27 InfCereal wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:26 A_needle_jog wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
No results? Were you born yesterday?
Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.
You must be trolling.
They're talking about LotV HuK, yo.
Besides MKP hadn't hit his peak at that point, MC was horrid at PvP. Honestly from what I saw the biggest challenge for HuK that MLG was STC
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing
Was that back then when no one knew how to PvP?
Well MC was by far the best 4gate vs 4gate player in the world. Not even close - his unit controll was much better than anyone else at the time. I cant remember who he faced btw on that map the famous MVP vs Squirtle-vortex happend, it was GSL (like quarters or something) and he fended off a 4-gate with a 2-gate on pure unit control.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?
TLPD stats for WOL show MC winning 1.24 PvZ's for every loss.
Meanwhile he won 1.64 PvP's for every loss. Clearly a much stronger matchup!
I'm pretty shocked to see people who thought that MC was bad at WOL PvP. My memories were the opposite and the stats back it up, he was a pvp monster back then
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?
Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here
You're incredibly incorrect. Check his stats- his best matchup till 2013 was PvP. MC excelled in the aggresive microfest that PvP was before it became standardized. http://aligulac.com/players/36-MC/
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?
Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here
You're incredibly incorrect. Check his stats- his best matchup till 2013 was PvP. MC excelled in the aggresive microfest that PvP was before it became standardized. http://aligulac.com/players/36-MC/
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
Still more accomplished than any foreigner then
Naturally.
I remember when people made fun of Moon, one of the jokes of the GSL. Then he dream crushed Dreamhack and showed the foreigner scene that ladder hero does not equal korean godhood.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
Those statistics include all of his WOL GSL runs - and he had many deep ones.
He could not have had a lot more korean games than he had, nor any higher level competition because he was regularly competing, placing high and winning the hardest tournaments in the world. You can't get any better statistics - people just always look for excuses.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
On January 09 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: You don't become the most successful (in terms of $$ earned) sc2 pro with pvp as your best matchup if you're bad at pvp
Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
Define "one of." herO, Zest, sOs, PartinG, Rain, Classic, Dear, and Stats are all much more skilled Protoss players. MC has a limited skillset which works wonders for him when the game is new (WoL, start of HotS, start of LotV) or during weekend tournaments with no room for preparation.
iirc MC used to practice with HuK around the time of that MLG, and stated that he didnt feel confident in PvP at that time, in an interview.
Why are players prefered matchups not allowed to, in your mind, fluctuate over time and patches? :oooO Taking TLPD for a lifetime of a volatile game with over 40 patces (arguably fewer game-changing ones ) does not a good argument make :D
On January 09 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: You don't become the most successful (in terms of $$ earned) sc2 pro with pvp as your best matchup if you're bad at pvp
Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
Define "one of." herO, Zest, sOs, PartinG, Rain, Classic, Dear, and Stats are all much more skilled Protoss players. MC has a limited skillset which works wonders for him when the game is new (WoL, start of HotS, start of LotV) or during weekend tournaments with no room for preparation.
rofl wtf is this? a philosophy lesson? either he is or he isnt, and i think 99% of all pro players would side with MC being one of the best players throughout SC2
On January 09 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: You don't become the most successful (in terms of $$ earned) sc2 pro with pvp as your best matchup if you're bad at pvp
Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that.
On January 09 2016 07:41 jmbthirteen wrote:
On January 09 2016 07:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 09 2016 05:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
Define "one of." herO, Zest, sOs, PartinG, Rain, Classic, Dear, and Stats are all much more skilled Protoss players. MC has a limited skillset which works wonders for him when the game is new (WoL, start of HotS, start of LotV) or during weekend tournaments with no room for preparation.
rofl wtf is this? a philosophy lesson? either he is or he isnt, and i think 99% of all pro players would side with MC being one of the best players throughout SC2
While I completely agree that MC is one of the best players throughout SC2 his point isn't a philosophical definition of "one of". TerrorPrime, one of the worst players to ever play in proleague is one of the best Zerg's of all time, given the vast majority of players in the world are much much worse. The point they were trying to make (I think) is that if you're definition of "one of the best" is top 10, you could argue MC isn't one of the best.
On January 09 2016 07:50 Goolpsy wrote: iirc MC used to practice with HuK around the time of that MLG, and stated that he didnt feel confident in PvP at that time, in an interview.
Why are players prefered matchups not allowed to, in your mind, fluctuate over time and patches? :oooO Taking TLPD for a lifetime of a volatile game with over 40 patces (arguably fewer game-changing ones ) does not a good argument make :D
On Topic; I am sad it is not Idra
We know for sure it's no Idra? I really don't know who it could be that's even worth freaking out over then. Idra, Naniwa, and Stephano are the only truly great ones. BUT. STILL A BIT CURIOUS. GL HF TO WHOEVER IT IS~~
Well he talks about PartinG but isn't PartinG a lesser MC? Good at allins and stuff, at winning cash against foreigners but he did it less successfully than MC :o. MC is def top 10 protoss of all time haha.
On January 09 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: You don't become the most successful (in terms of $$ earned) sc2 pro with pvp as your best matchup if you're bad at pvp
Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
Define "one of." herO, Zest, sOs, PartinG, Rain, Classic, Dear, and Stats are all much more skilled Protoss players. MC has a limited skillset which works wonders for him when the game is new (WoL, start of HotS, start of LotV) or during weekend tournaments with no room for preparation.
Today yes, but MC won 2 GSL and was without a doubt the best protoss in WoL.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
if you're talking about 2010/2011, protoss wasn't in a bad state - it was in a meh state.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
if you're talking about 2010/2011, protoss wasn't in a bad state - it was in a meh state.
Zerg was in a dreadful state at that stage.
And yet there were multiple Zergs who looked like they could win a GSL. On the Protoss side there was only MC.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
if you're talking about 2010/2011, protoss wasn't in a bad state - it was in a meh state.
Zerg was in a dreadful state at that stage.
Mid-late 2011 protoss was arguably the highest state of imbalance in sc2 history. Zerg was doing better but it was a time of terran dominance (gomTvT) + Show Spoiler +
On January 09 2016 11:25 coolprogrammingstuff wrote:
On January 09 2016 11:20 CheddarToss wrote:
On January 09 2016 07:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 09 2016 05:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
if you're talking about 2010/2011, protoss wasn't in a bad state - it was in a meh state.
Zerg was in a dreadful state at that stage.
Mid-late 2011 protoss was arguably the highest state of imbalance in sc2 history. Zerg was doing better but it was a time of terran dominance (gomTvT) + Show Spoiler +
Yep, but it wasn't much better in the Open Season 3, with only 12 out of 64 players playing Protoss. Or GSL March 2011, with almost as many Terrans as Zerg and Protoss combined.
On January 08 2016 21:44 aQuaSC wrote: Out of curiosity - how this quoted statement, "I'm already close to the level I had" would look like if it was said by a native English speaker? Just wondering
"I'm already close to my old level", I think. Or "The level I was at".
Natives wouldn't end sentences with prepositions...
HOSTESS Ah, there you are at last, Nepommuck. Have you found out all about the Doolittle lady?
NEPOMMUCK I have found out all about her. She is a fraud.
HOSTESS A fraud! Oh, no.
NEPOMMUCK Yes, yes. She cannot deceive me. Her name cannot be Doolittle.
HIGGINS Why?
NEPOMMUCK Because Doolittle is an English name. And she is not English.
HOSTESS Oh, nonsense! She speaks English perfectly.
NEPOMMUCK Too perfectly. Can you show me any English woman who speaks English as it should be spoken? Only foreigners who have been taught to speak it speak it well.
HOSTESS Certainly she terrified me by the way she said How d'ye do. I had a schoolmistress who talked like that; and I was mortally afraid of her. But if she is not English what is she?
NEPOMMUCK Hungarian.
ALL THE REST Hungarian!
NEPOMMUCK Hungarian. And of royal blood. I am Hungarian. My blood is royal.
Haha I'd only seen a small part of that before, makes me want to look the actual play up now.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Clearly you haven't seen WoL MC PvP. It was easily his weakest matchup at the time and I am pretty sure PvZ has statistically been his best?
Remember we talking about MLG Orlando 2011 here
You're incredibly incorrect. Check his stats- his best matchup till 2013 was PvP. MC excelled in the aggresive microfest that PvP was before it became standardized. http://aligulac.com/players/36-MC/
Yeah, MC was considered unbeatable PvP until he lost to Seed (it was seed right?) in GSL finals.
On January 09 2016 07:32 Cyro wrote: You don't become the most successful (in terms of $$ earned) sc2 pro with pvp as your best matchup if you're bad at pvp
Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that.
On January 09 2016 07:41 jmbthirteen wrote:
On January 09 2016 07:14 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 06:38 Nebuchad wrote:
On January 09 2016 05:44 pure.Wasted wrote:
On January 09 2016 04:16 Cyro wrote:
MC was horrid at PvP
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
Eh, I shouldn't have said top 50. I was grossly overestimating how many GSL champions and runner-ups there have been over the last 5 years. It's actually 33. And if InCa maybe cracks the top 60, there's zero percent chance of him being anywhere near the top 40.
My point being that results are results and skill is skill. The relationship between the two is correlative, not causative. MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
so you are arguing that MC isn't one of the most skilled sc2 players of all time?
Define "one of." herO, Zest, sOs, PartinG, Rain, Classic, Dear, and Stats are all much more skilled Protoss players. MC has a limited skillset which works wonders for him when the game is new (WoL, start of HotS, start of LotV) or during weekend tournaments with no room for preparation.
Today yes, but MC won 2 GSL and was without a doubt the best protoss in WoL.
There are a lot of flattering ways to describe a player, eg "the best" or "the most successful" or "the most skilled" and they aren't all synonyms. Hell, you could even break "most successful" down into financial success and prestige. MC is the most financially successful Protoss to date. In terms of prestige, though, his results all come either from WoL (by far the easiest expansion) or foreign weekend tournaments, whereas someone like sOs got two Blizzcons and a Korean Hot6ix Cup all in HotS, which are much more prestigious victories IMO.
MC can be the best Protoss in WoL and still not be one of the most skilled Protoss of all time. The skill level of the game rises all the time. The 32nd best GSL player in 2016's s1 is still more skilled in terms of mechanics and multitasking than 90% of anyone who played in 2011.
Do people call Boxer the most skilled Terran of BW? Of course not, because he wasn't, even though he may have been the most influential.
MC used to be known as one of if not the absolute best pvp player in the world and PvP has still statistically been his best matchup. I don't know how you can say such a thing. He's also the highest earning player of all time in sc2 (from tournament winnings) so his absolute skill level is not in question.
Since when does stomping foreigners translate into "absolute skill"?
InCa once made it to a GSL finals, I guess that makes him one of the top 50 skilled players of all time?
If he isn't top 50, then he's not much lower than that.
MC's absolute skill level is absolutely disputable.
What? Who are you exactly to dispute MC's skill level? An armchair SC2 pro scene expert? MC is a SC2 legend. When he was wrecking nerds and winnings GSLs, there was not a single other Protoss anywhere in the world, who could even compare. The race was in a terrible state back then. MC was the player who showed the rest how to properly play the race.
Everything I said above applies in response to you, but also: lol, "who am I to dispute his skill level"? How about a person who lives in a country with free speech? Would you like to do away with all power ranks and GOAT lists, or just the ones with whose results you personally disagree?
MC can be the best Protoss in WoL and still not be one of the most skilled Protoss of all time. The skill level of the game rises all the time
The discussion isn't about MC in 2016 - It's about MC in WOL, and it's over from the statistics on the last page (win ratio's and earnings)
Quoting myself from the previous page:
"Were you only ever talking about his skill level in PvP? If so, then I'm not qualified to argue. But your statement about absolute skill sounded a lot broader than that. "
I misunderstood your original intent (you have to admit your language was vague), so I was not talking about MC in the context of WoL/PvP/whatever historic context you want to look at. I assume that anyone who continues to disagree with me understands that and disagrees about my opinion on MC in the context of SC2 as a whole.
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
We don't need to imagine.
It happened. Stephano beat everyone.
On January 09 2016 02:27 InfCereal wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:26 A_needle_jog wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
No results? Were you born yesterday?
Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.
You must be trolling.
They're talking about LotV HuK, yo.
Besides MKP hadn't hit his peak at that point, MC was horrid at PvP. Honestly from what I saw the biggest challenge for HuK that MLG was STC
MC was horrid at PvP? Oh boi, you need a history lesson.
Sorry I started this whole discussion. Someone ignorantly said Huk had no results and I reminded them of MLG Orlando, where Huk went thru a slew of Code S Koreans, including MC, the PvP master, in his prime.
Apparently they meant to say only in LOTV, which is also a pretty ignorant statement because LOTV just began and we've only had a handful of tournaments. Tons of good players have "no results" in LOTV at this point, and that doesn't mean they are bad.
I'm much more hyped if it's Vortix than any other names in this thread, because I can actually see VortiX come back to being one of the best foreigners again
but maybe more heroes player are coming back, not only the myserious Mr X Kaelaris mentioned...believe!
I don't follow Heroes, is that game not doing well for players to switch?
I don't follow Heroes either so idk, but i know that some of the players who switched from Sc2 never switched completely (White Ra, Suppy, Dimaga). And Starcraft is the game they played the most (competitive) so some of them might consider to switch back especially with the changes lotv and the new WCS system brought with. Maybe their hopes in heroes where higher but idk. The players who started with Broodwar might be the most likely ones to consider coming back to lotv, but that doesn't mean they will play it super competitive. Also players who tried other Moba's switched back (at least partly) like Naniwa (LOL) or Scarlett (Dota2).
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
We don't need to imagine.
It happened. Stephano beat everyone.
On January 09 2016 02:27 InfCereal wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:26 A_needle_jog wrote:
On January 09 2016 02:19 HugoBallzak wrote: Can anyone imagine what a 100% committed stephano can do to a WCS roster lacking any top level Koreans? Stephano is smart enough to realize the kind of money he can make in 2016 before this game completely fizzles out. Pretty sure his education can hold off for a year.
Maybe LOTV might not be suited to Stephano well. It could happen that even with training he will not be ever good again. Look at HuK. There was a time where he was really good and now he is bad because game changed so much and his style is impacted by it. Same could happen to Stephano.
Huk's not bad, he just has no results. He's still a good player, and easily one of the best NA players.
No results? Were you born yesterday?
Yeah winning an MLG chock full of Code S Koreans and going through them like a hot knife thru butter is definitely no results. We're talking about beating MC, MKP and July (among others) in their prime for SC2.
You must be trolling.
They're talking about LotV HuK, yo.
Besides MKP hadn't hit his peak at that point, MC was horrid at PvP. Honestly from what I saw the biggest challenge for HuK that MLG was STC
MC was horrid at PvP? Oh boi, you need a history lesson.
Sorry I started this whole discussion. Someone ignorantly said Huk had no results and I reminded them of MLG Orlando, where Huk went thru a slew of Code S Koreans, including MC, the PvP master, in his prime.
Apparently they meant to say only in LOTV, which is also a pretty ignorant statement because LOTV just began and we've only had a handful of tournaments. Tons of good players have "no results" in LOTV at this point, and that doesn't mean they are bad.
The only PvP MC played I remember from back then was getting slaughtered by HuK in that tournament PartinG in MLG and Seed in GSL
I'm alright with calling MC the BoXeR of SC2 Twas definitely the weakest race before he came along. People have mentioned time and time again how his skill is not what it used to be and that he should just retire, only to prove them wrong. His micro and aggression is what defined him.
Anyways for the PvP discussion I think it's no secret that MC never really truly learned and excelled in that matchup. He had much better micro than all the rest and every game was 4gate, which suited him just fine. I do remember the hype that tastosis did for him, but I think they went a little out of their way to do this. I'd say the matchup held him back, when you consider what a beast he is in the other matchups.
lol i can speak for kealaris here being a fellow brit, i refer to single people as they! its going to be someone shite if its not idra so dont get ur hopes up people
As far as I know you wouldn't use "they" to refer to a specific person, rather as a generic reference or a reference to an individual whose identity is unknown to all (which in this instance, is not the case for Kaelaris).
You would never form a sentence like "Idra has retired, and they will not be returning". You use "he", because it's specifically Idra. This applies even to the sentence "The player I am thinking of has retired, and they will not be returning". It's still a reference specific player, you would use "he" or "she" (or "he or she").
But in a sentence like "When a player retires, they might come back at some point", you would use "they". Here the reference is generic, since it's not a specific player you are talking about. It's impersonal, just like using the word "one", as in "One should not do X". It means something completely different than "He should not do X".
Conclusion: It's must be a hint that it's vortix and lucifron
On January 10 2016 11:03 cheekymonkey wrote: As far as I know you wouldn't use "they" to refer to a specific person, rather as a generic reference or a reference to an individual whose identity is unknown to all (which in this instance, is not the case for Kaelaris).
You would never form a sentence like "Idra has retired, and they will not be returning". You use "he", because it's specifically Idra. This applies even to the sentence "The player I am thinking of has retired, and they will not be returning". It's still a reference specific player, you would use "he" or "she" (or "he or she").
But in a sentence like "When a player retires, they might come back at some point", you would use "they". Here the reference is generic, since it's not a specific player you are talking about. It's impersonal, just like using the word "one", as in "one should not do X". It means something completely different than "He should not do X".
Conclusion: It's must be a hint that it's vortix and lucifron
If you're gonna read that much into the use of one word, then go back to the original tweet which says 'one of' not 'some of' the best foreigners.
One does not equal two no matter how you want to twist the english language
On January 10 2016 11:03 cheekymonkey wrote: As far as I know you wouldn't use "they" to refer to a specific person, rather as a generic reference or a reference to an individual whose identity is unknown to all (which in this instance, is not the case for Kaelaris).
You would never form a sentence like "Idra has retired, and they will not be returning". You use "he", because it's specifically Idra. This applies even to the sentence "The player I am thinking of has retired, and they will not be returning". It's still a reference specific player, you would use "he" or "she" (or "he or she").
But in a sentence like "When a player retires, they might come back at some point", you would use "they". Here the reference is generic, since it's not a specific player you are talking about. It's impersonal, just like using the word "one", as in "one should not do X". It means something completely different than "He should not do X".
Conclusion: It's must be a hint that it's vortix and lucifron
If you're gonna read that much into the use of one word, then go back to the original tweet which says 'one of' not 'some of' the best foreigners.
One does not equal two no matter how you want to twist the english language
BUT, even if two (of the best) players are to return, "one of" would still technically be true. He might just have omitted the information regarding the other. This is a logic puzzle, dammit.
Actually, Kaelaris probably used "they" because HuK (incorrectly afaik) referred to the specific person in question as "they".
They said one of the best foreigners "of all time".. let's be real, that list shouldn't probably grow much if any longer than about 5 players, i think most would agree.
That's what I'm talking about! Europeans, learn this.
the only people in this thread troubled with the use of "they" as gender-neutral pronoun refering to a single person have United States put as their country of residence
so lol@you
sucks that Vortix and Lucifron are leaving HotS but oh well, I hope TL can find good replacements
ugh that would suck if its these two. They play the chars i like the most in heroes. Was so hoping for it not happen, when I saw Kaelaris spread those hints. PS: So gonna stream snipe you for it !
I think Scarlett aswell. She has really highly ranked account with a really god win ratio. And "she" would be too obvious so he typed "they" instead of it
On January 11 2016 02:15 CRUXRainmaker wrote: I think Scarlett aswell. She has really highly ranked account with a really god win ratio. And "she" would be too obvious so he typed "they" instead of it
She started to play even before HSC again, you are a few month late.
On January 10 2016 22:47 OtherWorld wrote: Can't believe this thread is still alive
Best proof that a lot of people still want their foreigner heroes instead of just korean gods.
Do you have a thread named "X claims one of the best Korean player is coming back" to back up your claim?
So let's say there is a thread like that for a retired korean legend. And for your benefit, maybe 400 pages instead of the 40+ we have here.
Still can't deny that there are still support for foreigner heroes proven from this thread.
Of course there are? Most players on the GOAT list are inactive or retired, it's only natural that people want old beasts to come back to provide entertainment :o.
On January 11 2016 01:26 ZeRoX_TV wrote: I wonder if they will be on same team. I remember I red that they should join Mouz and Mill respectively if they come back.
Best bet is staying on Liquid, I mean Liquid have only like 3 active players. Taeja shows up once in a blue moon, HerO is nowhere to be found...
I think we can rule out Targa, seeing as he JUST officially retired, most likely wouldn't be IdrA because he fucking hates SC2 for real (although that's more likely than Targa), very possibly Thorzain (but race switch seems odd), or MAYBE Stephano. But he was pretty bad at NWIII so I don't think it's super likely.
EDIT: Forgot to mention VortiX. I think he's most likely because Kaelaris (<--spelling may be wrong) would know more about European scene than NA. Also the smurf account is Zerg, so if that's actually a smurf and not just some new guy, that makes VortiX a stronger possibility.
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