Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more
Is iloveoov still living in his fantasy world?? You can't be this moronic to make such a statement
What are you talking about? To my knowledge LoL is the top esports game atm, even in Korea. And if you don't count ONLY Korea, then BW isn't even played by many. Hell, I'm not even sure if many play BW in Korea. More non progamers than SC2, probably (I'd say definitely but I don't have numbers), but that's not a lot.
bw is still the starcraft game Koreans play. There has been huge strides made over the last couple years by the people to re-vitalize the scene through online and offline leagues, fantastic content being put out by various people, the awesome starleagues going on right now, and alongside some of the ex-pros and tournament organizers reaching out to the foreign community. It's been a grass roots movement that I'm quite proud of and I'm just astonished that iloveoov somehow thinks that people aren't active in it for whatever reason. I'm not even trying to state a game flame war, but it is completely disrepectful from iloveoov to disregard the grass roots bw scene that has been well on its way to revival, disrepecting the streamers, the amatuers still trying to make it into the KSLs and SSLs and now NSLs, people playing in pc bangs with their friends, the causals chilling out on UMS maps, the good ol balloon matches and all the awesome online leagues going on. To me, he wants all of that to stop because that is pulling away from SC2's prescene in Korea which is the wrong way to go about it.
How did you go from "not that many people play BW anymore" (original, factual statement by oov) to "I piss on BW because it's shit and not a single soul on this earth plays it" (what you seem to think he said)? With all due respect to BW - the very fact that there is still a competitive scene so many years after its golden age is definitely a proof of its greatness -, and independently of what should be, I don't think that factually, you can say its active playerbase is high in numbers compared to other eSports, be it RTSs, MOBAs or FPSs.
Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more
Is iloveoov still living in his fantasy world?? You can't be this moronic to make such a statement
Dota 2 features two digit million dollar prizes. LoL casually breaks 100.000 viewers on Twitch. CS:GO majors break viewership records. A handful of players plays BW in Korea for peanuts. iloveoov can see the difference between them and BW.
Nada streaming BW get's more viewers than the combined featured sc2 stream List. That is, what he is pointing out. In comparison to Sc2 BW is still a lot more attractive to the majority of korean viewers. We all know the Sc franchise as a whole isn't playing in the same league as Lol CS or Dota anymore.
Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more
Is iloveoov still living in his fantasy world?? You can't be this moronic to make such a statement
Dota 2 features two digit million dollar prizes. LoL casually breaks 100.000 viewers on Twitch. CS:GO majors break viewership records. A handful of players plays BW in Korea for peanuts. iloveoov can see the difference between them and BW.
Yeah I don't get why that set him off. The quoted statement by oov is purely factual.
BW is no longer the top eSports game and, relatively speaking, not that many people play it anymore.
On January 02 2016 02:58 Cele wrote: That is, what he is pointing out. In comparison to Sc2 BW is still a lot more attractive to the majority of korean viewers.
Well..no. You`re excluding the fact that SC2 is on telly. There`s little demand for SC2 streaming because you can easily see the best guys playing on telly.
On January 02 2016 02:58 Cele wrote: That is, what he is pointing out. In comparison to Sc2 BW is still a lot more attractive to the majority of korean viewers.
Well..no. You`re excluding the fact that SC2 is on telly. There`s little demand for SC2 streaming because you can easily see the best guys playing on telly.
i have no sources on Television Viewership of sc2 in korea. But we need to factor that in true. Still if you look at amount of feedback bw get's in Korea, i think it is exaggerated by oov to say "very few" or whatever he said exactly :>
On January 02 2016 02:58 Cele wrote: Nada streaming BW get's more viewers than the combined featured sc2 stream List. That is, what he is pointing out. In comparison to Sc2 BW is still a lot more attractive to the majority of korean viewers. We all know the Sc franchise as a whole isn't playing in the same league as Lol CS or Dota anymore.
Flash streaming SC2 got more viewers than the most viewed BW streamers. It's not just the game, it's also the players, for the streams at least. And the actual top SC2 players are on KeSPA teams and don't get to stream (or only rarely or only on minor services like Azubu).
But that goes besides the point, oov was saying that not many people play BW anymore (relative to BW's prime where it was #1 eSport). The viewer numbers aren't that important, not everyone watching still plays. And obviously relative to BW's prime the scene today is pretty small.
And all that distracts from the fact that this is a good interview.
Oh dear God, hasn't the SC2 vs. SC:BW horse been whipped raw already? BTW, I really have never understood this ridiculous trench warfare; as someone said, the only thing to defend here is StarCraft.
great interview. He danced around the questions about conditions needing to improve though. I guess if your a coach you can't say that it's partially the organizations fault for not taking care of their players.
On January 02 2016 03:17 EatingBomber wrote: Oh dear God, hasn't the SC2 vs. SC:BW horse been whipped raw already? BTW, I really have never understood this ridiculous trench warfare; as someone said, the only thing to defend here is StarCraft.
This. Please stop going at it from this point on guys. We do not need this debate to continue. Thanks.
Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more
Is iloveoov still living in his fantasy world?? You can't be this moronic to make such a statement
What are you talking about? To my knowledge LoL is the top esports game atm, even in Korea. And if you don't count ONLY Korea, then BW isn't even played by many. Hell, I'm not even sure if many play BW in Korea. More non progamers than SC2, probably (I'd say definitely but I don't have numbers), but that's not a lot.
bw is still the starcraft game Koreans play. There has been huge strides made over the last couple years by the people to re-vitalize the scene through online and offline leagues, fantastic content being put out by various people, the awesome starleagues going on right now, and alongside some of the ex-pros and tournament organizers reaching out to the foreign community. It's been a grass roots movement that I'm quite proud of and I'm just astonished that iloveoov somehow thinks that people aren't active in it for whatever reason. I'm not even trying to state a game flame war, but it is completely disrepectful from iloveoov to disregard the grass roots bw scene that has been well on its way to revival, disrepecting the streamers, the amatuers still trying to make it into the KSLs and SSLs and now NSLs, people playing in pc bangs with their friends, the causals chilling out on UMS maps, the good ol balloon matches and all the awesome online leagues going on. To me, he wants all of that to stop because that is pulling away from SC2's prescene in Korea which is the wrong way to go about it.
The end of this comment gets into some super tinfoil hat stuff, I have no idea what it's even getting at here. There's absolutely no evidence he's trying to kill a game because of where he works man.
"Blizzard wanted the same system as 2015 but esl rejected. They had no choice than taking the new route. I personally think its the best way because you support streamers (because more time between tournaments)."
I fail to see how it is ESL's fault for Blizz reducing korean tourneys/seasons strangling the emerging korean scene.
Of course Blizzard has to step in and do something! First they made Koreans jump through extra hoops to deter them, now blizz just axed them altogether completely :D
On January 02 2016 04:53 riotjune wrote: Koreans vs foreigners
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJuNR6kECoY&t=0m26s Of course Blizzard has to step in and do something! First they made Koreans jump through extra hoops to deter them, now blizz just axed them altogether completely :D
Oov described Blizzards current thinking towarda korean players and the game itself probably in the most accurate way possible. I also love that he wants to get SOo on top of the world, as he described it. Oov really seems like one of the strongest personalities in esports. THUMBS UP!!
Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more
Is iloveoov still living in his fantasy world?? You can't be this moronic to make such a statement
I don't understand, what he says is absolutely correct. I don't think he's talking about just starcraft or RTS I'm sure he's factoring in all the other games koreans play. I'll use PC Cafe statistics from gametrics.com
now I understand PC cafe usage will probably differ slightly from overall usage but with how small korea is how numerous PC cafes are and the fact that this site takes a very good geographically random sample size (of 12000ish PC cafe's they compile data from 4000) i'll just assume this usage statistic is correct for overall game usage in korea.
with that said, I don't think any sane person would argue 3.55% is many people playing the game. it's not. it's a tiny, niche population of fans. its insane and amazing because of how old the game is and how its still able to maintain users after all these years but what oov says is true. 3.55% is not a lot of people. it's a tiny sliver.
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