EPT[Interview] iloveoov on coaching philosophy, the state of…
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zealotstim
United States455 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On January 02 2016 16:43 zealotstim wrote: Just to comment on how blizz seems to be moving with Starcraft: Blizzard could start funding teams that play sc2. That would go a long way in keeping the scene alive. Guarantees about future tournaments and money would be nice too because stability is a major concern for pros. I'm not sure why a company whose goal is, like all other companies, to make profit would throw away endless amounts of money in order to artificially create an ESports scene | ||
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negativedge
4279 Posts
On January 02 2016 14:59 Inspectop wrote: It's already been said, but Koreans are the best players because they already have a developed scene thanks to BW. However, unlike in BW, the SC2 scene in Korea is propped up by Blizzard bucks and they, not the foreign players, are the charity case. Korea does not deserve its special treatment. Fixating on and dumping cash into a single country won't help SC2; particularly when those players also travel, take prize money from, and kill off the foreign scene. Of course they'll win, and of course they're better. It's because they have team houses, coaches, and all the other things that crossed over from BW that the foreign scene lacks. Perhaps if there had been region locking from the start the foreign scene could have developed; but having the Korean wrecking ball smashing your growth, killing off the fandom, and preventing players from putting in a serious effort - because they, as amateurs, can't compete with high school age Koreans who are afforded the opportunity to practice SC2 full time, and do have team-houses, and practice partners, and coaches, etc..- put a stop to that. And now you have this "best player deserves the money" circlejerk over Koreans. Might as well throw the money into a blackhole because SC2 has already failed in Korea and there certainly won't be returns on it of any sort, except, perhaps, for further damage to the global scene because of the match fixing. There was a chance for foreign starcraft when there was investment from entities unrelated to Blizzard, and viewers who didn't understand that there was a skill discrepancy between foreigners and Koreans but yeah... for two years SC2 was the biggest esport in the west. what did western players and teams do to grow the scene and develop a player base during that time? nothing. they sold their name to monster and razer six times over and hoped for the best. the koreans played the game and put in the money and time. the "developed scene" at the beginning of SC2 in Korea was nothing. there were no kespa teams. there were few fans. you think Prime, Startale, IM, MVP and the rest had the kind of money EG and company had? you could have put all the WoL Korean teams together and they wouldn't have matched EG alone. not their fault that no one in the west bothered trying. now we split up koreans and foreigners, and the result is one whole foreigner at Blizzcon, and he decided that he wouldn't even bother practing for it. that's what Blizzard's investment in the west and protectionist strategy did for the western scene. and you wonder why SC2 fans aren't particularly interested in these players anymore. give me a break. | ||
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ThePacifist
Korea (South)46 Posts
Brood War was the top esports game for a time, but it gave up that spot to other games, and not that many people play it any more. In this situation, Blizzard Korea employees have no problem going around saying "StarCraft 2 isn't any fun, is it? Play other games." in the company of pro players. I don't think that's right. Players, teams, industry workers are all doing their best to keep StarCraft 2 afloat. Saying that kind of stuff shows you don't have the right attitude. Of course, it they probably meant it as telling players to play HearthStone or Heroes of the Storm. Still, I can't understand it. Blizzard Korea employees say "StarCraft 2 isn't any fun, is it? Play other games.". This is the part where Korean fans get anger at. | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On January 01 2016 22:17 Waxangel wrote: Some liberties in translation have been taken wherever the hell I feel like it. another case of "self-excuse", yet quite different to the approach of thouhastmail ^^ | ||
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Cele
Germany4016 Posts
On January 02 2016 13:55 lichter wrote: People who keep bringing up sc2 vs BW are stupid You can't make progress as an esport focusing solely and primarily on Korea. Esports is now a global game. A revival in Korea is meaningless if the game lags in the rest of the world. It needs to keep growing both where the viewers are and where the talent is. and that's what's not gonna happen with sc2 anymore i think. | ||
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J. Corsair
United States470 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
On January 02 2016 20:02 MrMischelito wrote: another case of "self-excuse", yet quite different to the approach of thouhastmail ^^ I`ll go wrong from now on. Here comes new badass. | ||
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Mekare
Germany393 Posts
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Haighstrom
United Kingdom216 Posts
On January 01 2016 22:17 Waxangel wrote: Simply telling the players the potential cost doesn't help. If they think "live and let die" then they could still cause problems. I think you meant "live and let live". The phrase means to tolerate others' behaviour as long as it doesn't kill anyone - I think you confused it with the Bond film which is a pun on this. Thanks very much for this translation, great read. On January 01 2016 22:17 Waxangel wrote: Q: Is there anything you really want to achieve in 2016? A: I want to put soO on top of the world. soO reached four consecutive GSL finals in 2013 and 2014, but he couldn't win a championship. He won the 2nd KeSPA Cup in 2015, but that wasn't a proper league tournament. What I want to do, and my personal project, is to put soO on top of the Starleague or GSL. That would make my 2016 too; go SoO! | ||
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
On January 02 2016 15:27 mrarthursimon wrote: I support the Brood War scene in spirit, and love the StarCraft passion that they bring. But I can't bring myself to watch it or actively support it. I played Brood War, but wasn't aware of the Korean scene or esports in general until SC2. So the nostalgia factor for me isn't nearly as high. It's like your first Doctor Who experience being new Doctor and then going back to watch the older episodes. Yeah, there's good stuff there but the difference between SC2 and BW for me personally without any of the old Korean esports attachment are too vast. SC2 is just more fun for me to watch. I too have not watched SC:BW commentaries until after I have played SC2. Back then I just wasnt aware of the huge korean scene. However, I can say with absolute honesty that I very much prefer watching BW over SC2. SC2 seems to be explosions and lasers everywhere like a cheap hollywood movie. BW is positional play, mind games and long drawn out battles like an epic 2000 page novel. | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On January 02 2016 23:21 RoomOfMush wrote: I too have not watched SC:BW commentaries until after I have played SC2. Back then I just wasnt aware of the huge korean scene. However, I can say with absolute honesty that I very much prefer watching BW over SC2. SC2 seems to be explosions and lasers everywhere like a cheap hollywood movie. BW is positional play, mind games and long drawn out battles like an epic 2000 page novel. What a deep analysis of both titles... Can't we just let people enjoy the one or the other without having to come up with ways to insult the other? Or even enjoy both like I'm doing? | ||
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todespolka
221 Posts
Lets be clear oov is a good coach. Its good he takes modern approach. But to blame blizzard anytime he can, proves to me, he isnt objective. Blizzard had the approach oov wanted first. But the community wanted a change. So they changed. Now blizzard was forced to change again (because esl did not want to produce wcs anymore). How can people blame blizzard for that? Also i dont understand how you would sacrifice your own region for the korean region. Wouldnt you like to have a region which can compete on same level. You dont lose the highest competition, it still exists and high level because the best players are payed and in teams which have money. Dont get me wrong. I hate low level games. But thats me. Many people want an idra, huk and snute or a stephano. These are our superstars. If koreans would take the same approach as polt, mc or parting, maybe we wouldnt be at this point. We wouldnt talk about faceless koreans. And maybe koreans would have a better support outside of korea. But polt, mc and parting are the exceptions. Even flash gives generic answers. Also dont forget. Koreans are already the best payed players in sc2. They have a safe environment and earn more money than foreigners. Many foreigners live of social system and not of team salary. | ||
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xtorn
4067 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany16103 Posts
On January 03 2016 00:05 todespolka wrote: Blizzard had the approach oov wanted first. But the community wanted a change. So they changed. Now blizzard was forced to change again (because esl did not want to produce wcs anymore). How can people blame blizzard for that? is this confirmed? | ||
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MaCRo.gg
Korea (South)860 Posts
On January 01 2016 22:17 Waxangel wrote: Some liberties in translation have been taken wherever the hell I feel like it. Your translations have been less... precise than before. Also lot more... convoluted. Common habit from most Korean-English translators I've read. If you send me some my way, I'd be happy to try my hand at it. | ||
Waxangel
United States33712 Posts
On January 03 2016 04:09 MaCRo.gg wrote: Your translations have been less... precise than before. Also lot more... convoluted. Common habit from most Korean-English translators I've read. If you send me some my way, I'd be happy to try my hand at it. rofl | ||
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MrMischelito
347 Posts
On January 02 2016 21:10 Thouhastmail wrote: I`ll go wrong from now on. Here comes new badass.  I suppose there are always certain liberties in the exact wording for the translator. Especially when a direct translation won't make any sense to the reader. You guys do a great job making it easy to understand. often pointing out the origin of certain expressions or references and giving more insight through t/n's did help me a lot in the past. | ||
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Draconicfire
Canada2562 Posts
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guN-viCe
United States687 Posts
Too bad Blizzard won't hire him to run their SC department D: | ||
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