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paralleluniverse
Profile Joined July 2010
4065 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 01:42:12
November 11 2015 01:25 GMT
#21
The plot is utter nonsense. I've already posted about it on the SC2 story forum:
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When Kerrigan meets Ouros, he says the cycle must continue. But in the very next cinematic when Ouros gives his power to Kerrigan, he says the cycle has ended. In the final cinematic the text says a new burst of life has been seen in the Koprulu sector suggesting that the cycle has continued under Kerrigan. In the text on the campaign page after beating the epilogue, it says the cycle has ended. Which is it, and why has it flip-flopped 4 times in consecutive scenes?

The xel'naga cycle is to merge purity of essence (protoss) and purity of form (zerg) to be reborn as xel'naga. So how can Kerrigan become a xel'naga, when she did not merge with a protoss?

Why must the xel'naga cycle continue?

Artanis reading the shrine in Ulnar: "The infinite cycle is always the same. One pure of essence, an indomitable spirit capable of great change. And one pure of form, a being capable of vast psionic potential, able to house the essence of a xel'naga".

However, if the implication here is that Kerrigan is both pure of essence and pure of form, allowing Kerrigan to become xel'naga without merging with protoss, then Blizzard has thrown the entire point of the zerg and protoss origin story out the window.

Moreover, what is the original purpose of the xel'naga Keystone/Artifact?

Artanis reading another shrine in Ulnar: "All of this time they [the xel'naga] have waited for us [zerg and protoss, presumably] to assemble the Keystone and find our way here [Ulnar]."

Based on the fact that the artifact sucks in and redirects energy and consciousness, according to Karax and the way it's been used, this suggests that the original purpose of the artifact was likely to transfer energy of the two races, purity of essence, and purity of form, into being reborn as xel'naga. However, we see that Ouros and Kerrigan is able to do this without the Keystone.

This leaves either the Keystone's original purpose unexplained or Ouros making Kerrigan a xel'naga complete nonsense.

What is with the dream scenes between Kerrigan and Raynor, and is the scene where Kerrigan finds Raynor at the Mar Sara bar real? Probably not. How can it possibly be real?
iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
November 11 2015 02:22 GMT
#22
Blizzard really wrote themselves into a corner with the Amon/Xel'Naga mythical nonsense, though up until the epilogue they actually did a decent job with it. Still, it kills some of the enjoyment of the SC1 campaign knowing that the story ends so poorly.
TedCruz2016
Profile Joined November 2014
Hong Kong271 Posts
November 11 2015 02:41 GMT
#23
"Hell, it's about TIME!" What completion of the cycle!
Make DC listen!
Whiplash
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2928 Posts
November 11 2015 03:31 GMT
#24
On November 11 2015 10:25 paralleluniverse wrote:
The plot is utter nonsense. I've already posted about it on the SC2 story forum:
+ Show Spoiler +
When Kerrigan meets Ouros, he says the cycle must continue. But in the very next cinematic when Ouros gives his power to Kerrigan, he says the cycle has ended. In the final cinematic the text says a new burst of life has been seen in the Koprulu sector suggesting that the cycle has continued under Kerrigan. In the text on the campaign page after beating the epilogue, it says the cycle has ended. Which is it, and why has it flip-flopped 4 times in consecutive scenes?

The xel'naga cycle is to merge purity of essence (protoss) and purity of form (zerg) to be reborn as xel'naga. So how can Kerrigan become a xel'naga, when she did not merge with a protoss?

Why must the xel'naga cycle continue?

Artanis reading the shrine in Ulnar: "The infinite cycle is always the same. One pure of essence, an indomitable spirit capable of great change. And one pure of form, a being capable of vast psionic potential, able to house the essence of a xel'naga".

However, if the implication here is that Kerrigan is both pure of essence and pure of form, allowing Kerrigan to become xel'naga without merging with protoss, then Blizzard has thrown the entire point of the zerg and protoss origin story out the window.

Moreover, what is the original purpose of the xel'naga Keystone/Artifact?

Artanis reading another shrine in Ulnar: "All of this time they [the xel'naga] have waited for us [zerg and protoss, presumably] to assemble the Keystone and find our way here [Ulnar]."

Based on the fact that the artifact sucks in and redirects energy and consciousness, according to Karax and the way it's been used, this suggests that the original purpose of the artifact was likely to transfer energy of the two races, purity of essence, and purity of form, into being reborn as xel'naga. However, we see that Ouros and Kerrigan is able to do this without the Keystone.

This leaves either the Keystone's original purpose unexplained or Ouros making Kerrigan a xel'naga complete nonsense.

What is with the dream scenes between Kerrigan and Raynor, and is the scene where Kerrigan finds Raynor at the Mar Sara bar real? Probably not. How can it possibly be real?



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Yeah... I am pretty confused on things seems like there are a lot of plot holes that blizz are going to have to go over in 10 years with starcraft 3. The whole taldarim betraying amon arc was a bit confusing at first as well god damn it was a fun campaign to play but the story left me with some question marks over my head at times.

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Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 11 2015 07:19 GMT
#25
I'm just going to assume that everything Raynor saw in the ending was just his deranged imagination while suffering from PTSD.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Pursuit_
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States1330 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 07:30:00
November 11 2015 07:28 GMT
#26
On November 11 2015 16:19 Caihead wrote:
I'm just going to assume that everything Raynor saw in the ending was just his deranged imagination while suffering from PTSD.


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He commits suicide in order to be with Kerrigan. The part of him getting to be with her again is symbolic. I hope. Kinda. Because otherwise this makes no sense. Actually, it doesn't make sense no matter what, but this makes the most sense.

But really, I was wtf'ing most of the story. It was at least better than HotS.
In Somnis Veritas
schmutttt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia3856 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 08:42:32
November 11 2015 08:38 GMT
#27
Thank god this game has incredible gameplay because god damn is the story shithouse.

Lets try and interpret the ending:

- Raynor commits suicide
- Kerrigan is actually somehow in human form (The Xel'Naga can take various forms, Duran being an example) and Raynor goes off with her for his happy ending

What do we think?
frajen86
Profile Joined February 2014
168 Posts
November 11 2015 11:22 GMT
#28
Even though I thought the epilogue missions were wtf (and in general the whole prophecy thing since HotS didn't really feel right in the Starcraft world for me)...

On November 11 2015 17:38 schmutttt wrote:- Kerrigan is actually somehow in human form (The Xel'Naga can take various forms, Duran being an example) and Raynor goes off with her for his happy ending

What do we think?


That is exactly how I took the ending scene, and it really did make me smile.
I_love_sharkpeople
Profile Joined October 2013
United States253 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-11 12:12:41
November 11 2015 12:11 GMT
#29
So, Tassadar was a Xel'naga ALL ALONG. He just...forgot?

And kerrigan turns into a naked fire space angel. And then kills space satan. And then disappears with raynor and they make flowers?

Oh blizzard. One day you'll hire an actual writer. One day...
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
November 11 2015 12:27 GMT
#30
I think the biggest point of contention is actualy + Show Spoiler +
Ouros' motif and why he didn't just outright tell Zeratul what Amon's plan was. He obviously had extensive knowledge of past events that occurred in BW and could easily bypass the deception by offering them valuable information. Unless this is actually a plot point and just got lost in the writing revamps.

I actually think some of the writers tried to salvage the story. It's heavily implied that Amon is actually someone who was forced into becoming a Xel'naga just like Kerrigan and despised that fact, which then served as the motivation for wanting to break the cycle.

I think there was an intention to say that the Xel'naga wanted to perpetuate their rule to the end of time by having the dominant species in the universe always loop back to sustain their race. It is shown clearly that even though they are highly technological and powerful, they are not in any way beyond the toils of time or physical ailments.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
November 11 2015 15:07 GMT
#31
On November 11 2015 21:11 I_love_sharkpeople wrote:
So, Tassadar was a Xel'naga ALL ALONG. He just...forgot?

And kerrigan turns into a naked fire space angel. And then kills space satan. And then disappears with raynor and they make flowers?

Oh blizzard. One day you'll hire an actual writer. One day...


No, the Xel'Naga just impersonated Tassadar in the WoL mission to manipulate Zeratul. Nothing more
Daxten
Profile Joined October 2009
Germany127 Posts
November 11 2015 15:13 GMT
#32
sc1 story was just better because they could "mystify" more. It's hard to bring a story, which lives so much from the "mystery" behind it, to a good ending.. but y this ending is pretty fucked up
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
November 11 2015 15:29 GMT
#33
On November 11 2015 17:38 schmutttt wrote:
Thank god this game has incredible gameplay because god damn is the story shithouse.

Lets try and interpret the ending:

- Raynor commits suicide
- Kerrigan is actually somehow in human form (The Xel'Naga can take various forms, Duran being an example) and Raynor goes off with her for his happy ending

What do we think?


We all hope it was the first one, but we all know it was the second one. Is there any real evidence to the contrary?
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
lestye
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4163 Posts
November 11 2015 19:23 GMT
#34
On November 12 2015 00:07 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2015 21:11 I_love_sharkpeople wrote:
So, Tassadar was a Xel'naga ALL ALONG. He just...forgot?

And kerrigan turns into a naked fire space angel. And then kills space satan. And then disappears with raynor and they make flowers?

Oh blizzard. One day you'll hire an actual writer. One day...


No, the Xel'Naga just impersonated Tassadar in the WoL mission to manipulate Zeratul. Nothing more


Oh, well that kinda redeems that part of the story. That scene was easily the lamest part of WoL for me.
"You guys are just edgelords. Embrace your inner weeb desu" -Zergneedsfood
tehredbanditt
Profile Joined July 2010
103 Posts
November 11 2015 20:00 GMT
#35
That was truly bad on a few different levels. No grittiness .. so many monologues. Cut scenes should be able to hold their own without constant conversation or blabbering. Some of the fight scenes were good, but they became tiresome. Just protoss with light sabers jumping around. Anyways, I always thought the story of 3 species fighting for survival was more intriguing than the more individualistic story approach Blizz has taken from WOL onward.
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
November 12 2015 22:37 GMT
#36
I always thought Kerrigan's humanness (not humanity, I mean that she is physically part human), would come into play eventually. I mean how could it not since it sits in stark contrast to alleged "purity of essence". There's nothing pure about her, she's her own type of hybrid, and I thought that'd be how the cycle ends since terran are the factor the xel naga never accounted for. But nope. Fire flame Phoenix girl GG
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Don.681
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines189 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-26 18:04:34
November 26 2015 17:56 GMT
#37
Dammit they went for a happy ending. They had something when they killed-off Zeratul, made the character even more awesome dying a heroes death. I thought they were going for something darker for Kerigan, having her de-infested then re-infested -- I thought: well they won't de-infest her again. Then wtf, they de-infest her again (yeah that's what they did) another way in the end.

Then they seem to want to be rid of this Raynor/Kerigan drama. What they should have done is killed off both characters instead of having them ride off into the sunset:

1. Amon so powerfull everyone starts loosing, before all this essence shit is 100%
2. Amon kills Ouros before the essence shit reaches 50% (so Ouros shows us how badass Anon is instead of vaporizing)
3. Artanis is fatally wounded and forced to warp back to the spear
4. The Hyperion blows up, Jim Raynor is dead as well as every one else on his ship (coz if you write out Jim, all those other characters are shit -- and what the hell my boy Tychus is dead anyway)
5. Kerrigan goes noooooOOOoooo then rages out
6. Human Rage > Essence Shit (see? that's why a human overmind is significant)
7. She proceeds to go kamikaze on Amon and they both die in the process -- No more Xelnaga (coz if they aint gonna make a playable race then who cares)
8. Biggest explosion ever
9. Now you have a proper ending where Artanis is weeping the loss of Tassadar, Zeratul and Raynor -- maybe even Kerigan.
10. Explosion can be seen from dying Earth, where UED is preparing a full fleet --bigger than the golden armada to colonize the Koprulu. Tech so awesome, they are bringing the moon with them. None of that terran pleb stuff -- all new units for us to play with.

Now everyone is pumped for SC3.
willoc
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1530 Posts
November 26 2015 19:11 GMT
#38
Yeah. Pretty shit story. Not as bad as it could've been with how they set it up in WoL (at least they resolved that horrible Tassadar ghost well).

In the very end, it seems like Kerrigan fixes a number of things in the universe (such as life on koprolu sector) and then she probably sees poor raynor sulking still (and rightly so) so she takes her old 'sarah kerrigan the ghost' guise up (I'm pretty sure she can look like whatever she wants outside of the void) and whisks Raynor away for fun times and sex together. Raynor is never seen again until the next retcon.
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