EPTLilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015 - Page 4
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Ludwigvan
Germany2371 Posts
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:17 sAsImre wrote: Hydra lost to all ins in ZvP so what chances he had in TvZ. Top 2 logic here. Do you have anything relevant to add or are you just here to troll? | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:20 showstealer1829 wrote: Do you have anything relevant to add or are you just here to troll? I'm wondering if you really believe that because Hydra lost to all ins vs Lilbow he had no chances vs Dream. I thought Dream would win convincigly but what you wrote made no sense. | ||
NonY
8751 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:00 sd_andeh wrote: I would like to quote Chuddinater, KeSPA representative (perhaps this could be added to OP even); "If western players have that kind of mentality then they have no idea what being a progamer means. Korean players in SC2 and LoL understand the burden of taking on the title of progamer and will practice and play their hearts out to honor that title. Lilbow is a disgrace to everyone in the world that poured their heart and soul into e-Sports. Not just the players, but every single person that makes e-Sports possible and helped grow it to where it is right now." Read his post here; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3r51gs/this_is_why_foreigners_will_always_be_foreigners/cwldhlg Pretty ridiculous stance there. And really funny that he goes to reddit of all places to take the high road on what it means to be a progamer. Giving Lilbow shit for performing poorly is not justice. I'm sure Life was thinking "hahaha thanks for the free wins" and not all this high-minded bullshit. And I'm sure Chuddinater does not speak for the community, even if he likes to do so and the community tolerates him doing so, but is it not obvious that if you feel compelled to say the things Chuddinater said then it's not true that those things are actually being practiced? A progaming community truly dedicated to playing well and giving it their best is not stopping to think, and especially not stopping to say, bullshit like that. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:17 sAsImre wrote: Hydra lost to all ins in ZvP so what chances he had in TvZ. Top 2 logic here. And still he was a WCS Champ just like Lilbow. And still he is in Foreign Team And still the ladders are called to be dead. And what happend Polt and Hydra, without a team just trained. They trained hard, very hard. And they showed great games, Hydra even won against Dream. He trained and trained and trained for this event. Lilbow, did not, he even showed everyone in the face that he didnt care, didnt want help and after it blamed Life for the all ins he could not hold a minute. Please, if this has happend with Showtime, TLO or god sake the hated Gungfu you would be at the frist front to show your anger about that attitude. But he is frensh so its okay. Like Nani and Sweden. | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:23 Clonester wrote: And still he was a WCS Champ just like Lilbow. And still he is in Foreign Team And still the ladders are called to be dead. And what happend Polt and Hydra, without a team just trained. They trained hard, very hard. And they showed great games, Hydra even won against Dream. He trained and trained and trained for this event. Lilbow, did not, he even showed everyone in the face that he didnt care, didnt want help and after it blamed Life for the all ins he could not hold a minute. Please, if this has happend with Showtime, TLO or god sake the hated Gungfu you would be at the frist front to show your anger about that attitude. But he is frensh so its okay. Like Nani and Sweden. Like Hydra has 0 contact within the korean scene to train. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
I guess it's the sign of inexperience with these situations that made him try to downplay the upcoming defeat before the games were even played, which in the end just made it worse. Hope next time they will just make the typical, well-prepared PR statement about "long journey", "hard to prepare for opponent", "sorry that I could not show my best play today but I will try to do my best in LotV" after the match and stay quiet otherwise. In general, Liquid'Bunny has the best take on the whole situation. Obviously for the player himself (Lilbow), but also the ones critizising him harshly without being the best role-model to begin with. | ||
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Aeromi
France14461 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:17 sd_andeh wrote: Well, we realize that you want to defend your fellow frenchy just like us swedes defended NaNiwa back at IEM but meh... Lilbow could have practiced if he wanted to, but he didn't want to. He chose not to. He didn't care. Those are facts as he himself have stated. It actually does make him sound like a spoiled child like someone said in this thread. He pulled a NaNiwa and deserves just as much shit as NaNiwa recieved back in the days. I wish someone like Snute or Bunny or whoever would have played better during the last year so they got this 'foreigner spot'. I'm sure they would have practiced at least. Thanks for asking but even if I'm French I was not cheering for Lilbow but Life. I think it's a good idea to focus on LotV even thought he should not have tweet after the match. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:21 NonY wrote: Pretty ridiculous stance there. And really funny that he goes to reddit of all places to take the high road on what it means to be a progamer. Giving Lilbow shit for performing poorly is not justice. I'm sure Life was thinking "hahaha thanks for the free wins" and not all this high-minded bullshit. And I'm sure Chuddinater does not speak for the community, even if he likes to do so and the community tolerates him doing so, but is it not obvious that if you feel compelled to say the things Chuddinater said then it's not true that those things are actually being practiced? A progaming community truly dedicated to playing well and giving it their best is not stopping to think, and especially not stopping to say, bullshit like that. Hey Tyler, I definitely agree that it's weird that Chuddinater would go to reddit with such criticism, but you can't deny the fact that he actually has a point. Lilbow made himself look really unprofessional and disrespected the most beautiful tournament we have in StarCraft. I don't like the generalizing though. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:21 sAsImre wrote: I'm wondering if you really believe that because Hydra lost to all ins vs Lilbow he had no chances vs Dream. I thought Dream would win convincigly but what you wrote made no sense. Not a Kespa korean, Just like Lilbow. Facing a Kespa Korean, just like Lilbow Dream having a great year. Hydra struggling and losing series to Lilbow, even they were all ins Facing the same problems as Lilbow Gee I wonder why? My point is, not many would have given Polt or Hydra a chance against Rain and Dream. but they didn't stop trying because "I'm not going to win anyway and I want to get ahead in LotV", Again I point out Hydra WON, Polt came within a map of beating Rain, Lilbow embarrassed himself, embarrassed every foreign player who dreams of making it to Blizzcon and then went on social media and did the equivalent of fucking SMILING about it. That's the difference. As I said, it's not a Korean v Foreigner thing, it's a respect thing, Polt and Hydra showed respect, Lilbow somehow showed less than zero. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12318 Posts
Let's take what happened in the thread afterwards: - He should have given up his spot to someone who deserved it. How does that work? He made the WCS points. He deserved the spot. - It was shameful. How? He got cheesed by a better player and he lost. Where's the shame? This happened to pretty much everyone. Life lings beat herO twice in a row not so long ago, if you remember. - We don't blame his for the game but for his attitude. Really? So don't say the games were shameful as if that was an argument. But even if that were true and that was really the problem you had, you act as if it's rare that people look bad on twitter after a loss. It has happened a million times, and everyone is still here. This thread is a teacup. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
Who the fuck cares anyways? Lilbow never had a chance to begin with, he got that (and i am sure most of the community understands that too) His statements obviously were bad PR, but cmon. Foreigners simply shouldn't be part of Blizzcon (well they can do analysis i guess), easy solution and everybody is happy again :D | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:34 Nebuchad wrote: This isn't an honest controversy. People couldn't wait to shit on Lilbow for performing badly against Life, as we all expected him to do. Since he made that statement (which was ill-advised, granted), these people jumped on it. I guess they are entitled to do it. But we shouldn't pretend the controversy happened in any kind of legitimate context. Let's take what happened in the thread afterwards: - He should have given up his spot to someone who deserved it. How does that work? He made the WCS points. He deserved the spot. - It was shameful. How? He got cheesed by a better player and he lost. Where's the shame? This happened to pretty much everyone. Life lings beat herO twice in a row not so long ago, if you remember. - We don't blame his for the game but for his attitude. Really? So don't say the games were shameful as if that was an argument. But even if that were true and that was really the problem you had, you act as if it's rare that people look bad on twitter after a loss. It has happened a million times, and everyone is still here. This thread is a teacup. You misunderstand. Nobody blames or shits on Lilbow for losing to Life. That was expected. It was his statements about not even caring about the tournament that started the shitstorm. Playing 2 games of HOTS the last 3 months to 'prepare' for the single biggest stage he might ever play on. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24233 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
At least pretend to give a shit.. Lilbow represents a team and that team has sponsors that he has to look good for. Extremely unprofessional. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:34 Nebuchad wrote: This isn't an honest controversy. People couldn't wait to shit on Lilbow for performing badly against Life, as we all expected him to do. Since he made that statement (which was ill-advised, granted), these people jumped on it. I guess they are entitled to do it. But we shouldn't pretend the controversy happened in any kind of legitimate context. Let's take what happened in the thread afterwards: - He should have given up his spot to someone who deserved it. How does that work? He made the WCS points. He deserved the spot. - It was shameful. How? He got cheesed by a better player and he lost. Where's the shame? This happened to pretty much everyone. Life lings beat herO twice in a row not so long ago, if you remember. - We don't blame his for the game but for his attitude. Really? So don't say the games were shameful as if that was an argument. But even if that were true and that was really the problem you had, you act as if it's rare that people look bad on twitter after a loss. It has happened a million times, and everyone is still here. This thread is a teacup. The shame is that a WCS champion cant hold simple cheeses while most pro gamers in korea getting almost nothing. Thats the real tragedy. | ||
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suddendeathTV
Sweden388 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:41 gingerfluffmuff wrote: The shame is that a WCS champion cant hold simple cheeses while most pro gamers in korea getting almost nothing. Thats the real tragedy. I don't really like this post. A simple cheese from a player like Life isn't the same as a cheese from a random zerg in diamond league. It's perfectly okay to die to cheeses from Life. Not caring about it, the tournament or HOTS is the problem. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23576 Posts
Sadly he tweeted some stupid stuff and now we have this shitstorm. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24233 Posts
On November 03 2015 02:41 gingerfluffmuff wrote: The shame is that a WCS champion cant hold simple cheeses while most pro gamers in korea getting almost nothing. Thats the real tragedy. No you're missing the point. And it's really not the right time to complain about WCS level, because another WCS champion eliminated a two times SSL finalist and the last one gave a run for his money to a GSL champion ; hell, he would even have probably eliminated him if he didn't change that rally point on Coda. | ||
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