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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
November 05 2015 13:33 GMT
#661
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.

give a tl;dr to lazy people seeker plz
Erugua
Profile Joined November 2015
13 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 14:19:34
November 05 2015 14:13 GMT
#662
IMHO preparing hard against Life wasn't worth a try. Life won last year and for the ones who don't remember well, few were the ones trusting in him at blizzcon last year.
Add the fact he became a real monster in ZvP match up.

The bilan is : Lilbow sacrified a 20% chance to go to blizzcon, get extra 2500$ and the chance to encounter INnoVation.

As a french people i'm not upset at all. I knew it was going to be this way and that was the right decision.
And keep in mind that skipping the LOTV beta would have stomp any chance for him to get a descent rank in WCS next year.
Lilbow is the kind who needs to train hard to take it over, and he decided to not kill his career at the begin of LOTV. I find it wise.

The scenario where he trains hard is basically that : he loose 2-3 against Life, then the game switch to LOTV, he is not even ready and loose the 3 firsts underdogs and you don't see him after RO8 in the firsts go4 because he is 3 months late practicing LOTV.

oh and he won a go4 2 weeks ago beating Hydra 2-0 the guy who beat Dream 3-2 , so don't mind if i call fools the one who think Lilbow had a bad plan.
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
November 05 2015 14:18 GMT
#663
I think if one loses 0-3, it is okay when you played versus Life. Even for a pro, this is nothing to be really ashamed of.

The attitude however to barely practice Hots appalled me. Since it seems to be a casual statement, I would not put too much weight in it, but I felt not been taken seriously by that statement.
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ShambhalaWar
Profile Joined August 2013
United States930 Posts
November 05 2015 14:41 GMT
#664
On November 05 2015 22:33 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.

give a tl;dr to lazy people seeker plz


You mean for the people who have better things to do than bath in the community's rage and uninformed opinions on twitter bullshit?

Ye, sign me up for the tl;dr as well
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37071 Posts
November 05 2015 15:06 GMT
#665
On November 05 2015 23:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 22:33 boxerfred wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.

give a tl;dr to lazy people seeker plz


You mean for the people who have better things to do than bath in the community's rage and uninformed opinions on twitter bullshit?

Ye, sign me up for the tl;dr as well

TL;DR
Lilbow could not handle what Life threw at him.
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
November 05 2015 15:14 GMT
#666
On November 05 2015 13:49 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 13:36 showstealer1829 wrote:
On November 05 2015 13:21 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2015 13:14 Kingsky wrote:
On November 05 2015 12:08 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2015 04:05 Kingsky wrote:
On November 05 2015 01:59 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 05 2015 01:27 Umpteen wrote:
On November 04 2015 03:21 Nebuchad wrote:You are literally arguing that "foreign scene is embarrassed" and "foreign player produces embarrassing games" have no connection to each other. I don't know what else to say.


That's not true, though.

A few years back a guy from Equatorial Guinea entered the Olympic 100m Freestyle swimming. He had never in his life seen a 50m pool, and had trained in a lake. He took over twice as long to complete the distance as anyone else, and when he finished he brought the fucking house down. He had the guts to try his best in front of thousands of spectators, knowing that he was going to finish dead last.

Now imagine for a moment the guy from Bahrain who finished second to last - still almost a minute quicker - had said "Eh; I didn't bother training because I had more important things going on."

Which of those guys would look like an asshat? Which country would feel embarrassed by the person who represented them? Who would be remembered as insulting the spirit of the Olympics, and who as exemplifying it?


In your example, I don't see anything embarrassing about the performance from the guinean guy, so I'm not sure how the analogy applies.


........

Lilbow was the Bahrain guy... not guinean guy... Lilbow was supposed to behave like the guinean


...There's nothing embarrassing about the Bahrain guy's performance either...



no there isnt to you maybe, but he is behaving like an asshat which is embarrassing to some people


And that is his behavior, not his performance. See the analogy is used in a specific conversation. It aims to display that my idea - that "embarrassing games by a foreigner" and "foreigner community being embarrassed" are connected to each other - is wrong. It says, look, this guy produced an embarrassing performance and was applauded for it, therefore you're wrong. Well, no, because none of these guys did embarrassing performances, so there is no equivalency there.

I didn't even bring up that there is no comparison between the two communities in question, as there is no way in hell someone would say "I can't wait to see that guinean guy get raped!" before the competition began, which may be an even stronger counter-argument.


Like I said the difference between the two things is the Bahrainian swimmer and Eric Moussambani showed up and competed. Lilbow didn't even bother to try and then basically laughed about it.. That's why he's getting hate. The fact people still defend Lilbow's bullshit is why this community is fucked NOT the fact Lilbow is getting attacked over it


First, thanks for telling me what I should think and what I should be angry about, I had trouble doing it by myself and needed an overmind like yours.

Second, let's say Lilbow says absolutely nothing and then loses exactly in the way he did:
1. The crowd gives a stand-up ovation chanting "Lilbow! Lilbow! Lilbow!". All of TL praise him for his achievement and casual watchers who just tuned in for Blizzcon look up to him as the hero of foreignlands.
2. He is criticized and mocked for his performance, people reflect on what the level of foreigners is if that's their best representant, questions are raised regarding whether he should be allowed at Blizzcon over more "deserving" players.

I can't wait to see how people will justify saying 1 :D


If anyone had gone with #1 in your scenario they'd be as stupid as the people defending him now.

As for your sarcasm, I stand by my statement. The people defending Lilbow's bullshit are the example of what's wrong with this community, not the people scorning him.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 15:44:37
November 05 2015 15:44 GMT
#667
On November 06 2015 00:06 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 23:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:33 boxerfred wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.

give a tl;dr to lazy people seeker plz


You mean for the people who have better things to do than bath in the community's rage and uninformed opinions on twitter bullshit?

Ye, sign me up for the tl;dr as well

TL;DR
Lilbow could not handle what Life threw at him.

are you implying that lilbow is the inferior player in direct comparison to Life?
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
November 05 2015 16:11 GMT
#668
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob
I Protoss winner, could it be?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 05 2015 16:52 GMT
#669
On November 06 2015 01:11 Penev wrote:
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob

I declare Penev as the official "Lilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015" Thread Champion 2015 for holding the correct opinion !
Thanks to all the others participants though, the competition was fierce.
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deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
November 05 2015 16:52 GMT
#670
On November 05 2015 23:13 Erugua wrote:
IMHO preparing hard against Life wasn't worth a try. Life won last year and for the ones who don't remember well, few were the ones trusting in him at blizzcon last year.
Add the fact he became a real monster in ZvP match up.

The bilan is : Lilbow sacrified a 20% chance to go to blizzcon, get extra 2500$ and the chance to encounter INnoVation.

As a french people i'm not upset at all. I knew it was going to be this way and that was the right decision.
And keep in mind that skipping the LOTV beta would have stomp any chance for him to get a descent rank in WCS next year.
Lilbow is the kind who needs to train hard to take it over, and he decided to not kill his career at the begin of LOTV. I find it wise.

The scenario where he trains hard is basically that : he loose 2-3 against Life, then the game switch to LOTV, he is not even ready and loose the 3 firsts underdogs and you don't see him after RO8 in the firsts go4 because he is 3 months late practicing LOTV.

oh and he won a go4 2 weeks ago beating Hydra 2-0 the guy who beat Dream 3-2 , so don't mind if i call fools the one who think Lilbow had a bad plan.

Well that's not why people were so angry they created 30+ pages

They are angry because he showed low PR skills and stated "I give no fuck about Blizzcon" attitude

Almost no one expected Lilbow to win that match. Had he stated some PR bullshit like "Life is life, I did everything I could even though I had some troubles with finding training partners" no one would be mad. IMO.
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
Penev
Profile Joined October 2012
28524 Posts
November 05 2015 16:54 GMT
#671
On November 06 2015 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 01:11 Penev wrote:
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob

I declare Penev as the official "Lilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015" Thread Champion 2015 for holding the correct opinion !
Thanks to all the others participants though, the competition was fierce.

God bless my friend <3
I Protoss winner, could it be?
cheekymonkey
Profile Joined January 2014
France1387 Posts
November 05 2015 17:35 GMT
#672
A lot of roach boys in this thread.
Hotshot
Profile Joined November 2004
Canada184 Posts
November 05 2015 17:44 GMT
#673
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.


I did read more comments after my post, and my comments stand.

Seems you guys are trying to bully this guy because you are not happy about his attitude. Because he does not think the way you want him to think he is in the wrong.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 05 2015 18:07 GMT
#674
On November 06 2015 00:06 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 23:41 ShambhalaWar wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:33 boxerfred wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.

give a tl;dr to lazy people seeker plz


You mean for the people who have better things to do than bath in the community's rage and uninformed opinions on twitter bullshit?

Ye, sign me up for the tl;dr as well

TL;DR
Lilbow could not handle what Life threw at him.

would have better without the capitalization
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-05 18:11:20
November 05 2015 18:11 GMT
#675
On November 06 2015 01:54 Penev wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:11 Penev wrote:
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob

I declare Penev as the official "Lilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015" Thread Champion 2015 for holding the correct opinion !
Thanks to all the others participants though, the competition was fierce.

God bless my friend <3

It's only ROACHES solidarity don't be mistaken
frazzle
Profile Joined June 2012
United States468 Posts
November 05 2015 18:15 GMT
#676
On November 06 2015 02:44 Hotshot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.


I did read more comments after my post, and my comments stand.

Seems you guys are trying to bully this guy because you are not happy about his attitude. Because he does not think the way you want him to think he is in the wrong.

My thoughts too. Pro players should never be criticized. After all, they never asked for this level of scrutiny.

They never asked people to watch them roflstomp n00bs on Twitch. How did those streams show up there anyway? That is kind of creepy when you think about it. Thousands of internet stalkers victimizing these poor guys by surreptitiously eavesdropping on their otherwise private competitions. I admit, out of curiosity I watched a couple of these "streams" and I noticed not only a bunch of rude chatters making face-palm emotes, but there were even so-called "casters", hacking into the games and providing uncalled for commentary. Just rude. On top of it all, someone or some group apparently tricked these unsuspecting Starcraft players into agreeing to possibly win money if they beat up some other players. I heard the makers of Starcraft were even promoting this bs in some kind of "World Championship Series". I mean, it's really not much different from cock-fighting, ethically speaking, and should probably be made illegal or something.
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16062 Posts
November 05 2015 18:25 GMT
#677
On November 06 2015 03:15 frazzle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 02:44 Hotshot wrote:
On November 05 2015 22:23 Seeker wrote:
On November 05 2015 11:53 Hotshot wrote:
I am not going to read 33 pages, but I got a few comments on this:

1# He won his place and ticket there.
2# Who cares what reason he lost. Being angry that he didn't practice to your standards is not fair.
3# Id he really did not practice, and ended up lied about practicing you would not be as angry with him.

Read the thread, that's not why people are angry.


I did read more comments after my post, and my comments stand.

Seems you guys are trying to bully this guy because you are not happy about his attitude. Because he does not think the way you want him to think he is in the wrong.

My thoughts too. Pro players should never be criticized. After all, they never asked for this level of scrutiny.

They never asked people to watch them roflstomp n00bs on Twitch. How did those streams show up there anyway? That is kind of creepy when you think about it. Thousands of internet stalkers victimizing these poor guys by surreptitiously eavesdropping on their otherwise private competitions. I admit, out of curiosity I watched a couple of these "streams" and I noticed not only a bunch of rude chatters making face-palm emotes, but there were even so-called "casters", hacking into the games and providing uncalled for commentary. Just rude. On top of it all, someone or some group apparently tricked these unsuspecting Starcraft players into agreeing to possibly win money if they beat up some other players. I heard the makers of Starcraft were even promoting this bs in some kind of "World Championship Series". I mean, it's really not much different from cock-fighting, ethically speaking, and should probably be made illegal or something.


On November 03 2015 07:11 Specialist wrote:
progamer is a joke to begin with
gaming should never be considered more than a hobby
he's a lazy slob who tries to get by with life by playing games
most normal people see gaming as a hobby, to think you are a professional at something so stupid is absurd

lilbow can do whatever he wants at something that has 0 meaningful impact in the world

Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
November 05 2015 18:29 GMT
#678
On November 06 2015 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 01:54 Penev wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:11 Penev wrote:
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob

I declare Penev as the official "Lilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015" Thread Champion 2015 for holding the correct opinion !
Thanks to all the others participants though, the competition was fierce.

God bless my friend <3

It's only ROACHES solidarity don't be mistaken


All I can say to that is: All hail the Roachmasters!
Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
November 05 2015 22:52 GMT
#679
On November 06 2015 03:29 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2015 03:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:54 Penev wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:52 OtherWorld wrote:
On November 06 2015 01:11 Penev wrote:
All these wrong opinions in this thread. Good thing I, at least, am in possession of the right one.

There

Now let's watch some more Bob

I declare Penev as the official "Lilbow and his Approach to WCS Finals 2015" Thread Champion 2015 for holding the correct opinion !
Thanks to all the others participants though, the competition was fierce.

God bless my friend <3

It's only ROACHES solidarity don't be mistaken


All I can say to that is: All hail the Roachmasters!


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wjat
Profile Joined August 2015
385 Posts
November 05 2015 23:00 GMT
#680
21hours and this drama end. 21h...
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