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On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem
What? As the only foreigner hope with thousands of fans behind him, he owes people at least that he tries to do his best.
If this was a mainstream sport, this would be an even bigger deal.
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On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem
There are tons of players who could, but they are all in Korea and didn't have the opportunity to do so.
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On November 03 2015 01:36 sd_andeh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem What? As the only foreigner hope with thousands of fans behind him, he owes people at least that he tries to do his best. If this was a mainstream sport, this would be an even bigger deal.
That's why we cannot be a mainstream sport. There are stupid people in sports but they are professionals. Even when they don't try their best they are silent about it and they pretend their best efforts and then say something like "bad period in my life, an old injury returns, something's in the air and I am ill etc.", NOT THIS. This would end damaged their career significantly.
The fact there are people standing behind Lilbow and he's not fined yet from Mil is troublesome for me...
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I'm 100% with Lilbow on this one. First, it's Blizzard's fault for making the biggest tournament of HOTS days before LOTV release. Of course no one gives a shit about that game. I disagree with Lycan. Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
Second, it's his choice what he does in any tournament he qualifies for.
People put too much pressure on top foreigners. This thread is a shining example. He lost a few games. Who gives a shit? Move on. I just hope he doesn't pull a Naniwa and fall off the face of the earth.
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On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem
Lilbow owes himself to at least try. He worked so very hard to reach Blizzcon. What you say about Life is obvious to everyone, so it should be obvious to Lilbow - so why not at least give it an actual attempt, instead of rolling over and dying? Even if he has no high level player to practice with, it's not that much of a problem to watch Life play Kung Fu Cup against Stats, PartinG and Zest and see that he likes his cheese.
He hurt his credibility as a professional gamer by not giving it his all to win.
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I agree that Lilbow fucked up by saying that he didn't practice HotS, that was a big mistake. However, he had a plan coming to this match. As he said on Facebook I think, he had multiple mid/late game strategies in his head. It happens that Life completely denied him the chance to show them. Because it's Life.
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On November 03 2015 01:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem There are tons of players who could, but they are all in Korea and didn't have the opportunity to do so.
How does that have anything to do with Lilbow? You want all korean wcs? I don't. I enjoy watching top foreigners.
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On November 03 2015 01:40 TRaFFiC wrote:
I'm 100% with Lilbow on this one. First, it's Blizzard's fault for making the biggest tournament of HOTS days before LOTV release. Of course no one gives a shit about that game. I disagree with Lycan. Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
Second, it's his choice what he does in any tournament he qualifies for.
People put too much pressure on top foreigners. This thread is a shining example. He lost a few games. Who gives a shit? Move on. I just hope he doesn't pull a Naniwa and fall off the face of the earth.
Actually no one gives a shit about his losses vs Life. Most people give shit about his attitude.
He was supposed to lose and everyone expected him to lose against Life. But with these statements? C'mon, he's supposed to be a professional player and is acting like a spoiled child.
On November 03 2015 01:43 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem There are tons of players who could, but they are all in Korea and didn't have the opportunity to do so. How does that have anything to do with Lilbow? You want all korean wcs? I don't. I enjoy watching top foreigners.
sure, watchin Lilbow playing LotV in HotS was entertaining.
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its called being a sore loser aka saving face. i dont blame him hes like 15 years old you arent very mature yet at that age.
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On November 03 2015 01:40 TRaFFiC wrote:
I'm 100% with Lilbow on this one. First, it's Blizzard's fault for making the biggest tournament of HOTS days before LOTV release. Of course no one gives a shit about that game. I disagree with Lycan. Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
Second, it's his choice what he does in any tournament he qualifies for.
People put too much pressure on top foreigners. This thread is a shining example. He lost a few games. Who gives a shit? Move on. I just hope he doesn't pull a Naniwa and fall off the face of the earth.
Expecting foreigners to fucking try is putting too much pressure on them?
On November 03 2015 01:43 TRaFFiC wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem There are tons of players who could, but they are all in Korea and didn't have the opportunity to do so. How does that have anything to do with Lilbow? You want all korean wcs? I don't. I enjoy watching top foreigners.
I enjoy watch top foreigners too, a lot. But if the best the foreign scene can produce is this, then they shouldn't be at Blizzcon.
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It's disappointing for the fans but you can't really blame a guy for doing what he believes is in his best financial interest.
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On November 03 2015 01:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:40 TRaFFiC wrote:
I'm 100% with Lilbow on this one. First, it's Blizzard's fault for making the biggest tournament of HOTS days before LOTV release. Of course no one gives a shit about that game. I disagree with Lycan. Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
Second, it's his choice what he does in any tournament he qualifies for.
People put too much pressure on top foreigners. This thread is a shining example. He lost a few games. Who gives a shit? Move on. I just hope he doesn't pull a Naniwa and fall off the face of the earth. Expecting foreigners to fucking try is putting too much pressure on them?
Evidently yes.
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On November 03 2015 01:40 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:36 sd_andeh wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem What? As the only foreigner hope with thousands of fans behind him, he owes people at least that he tries to do his best. If this was a mainstream sport, this would be an even bigger deal. That's why we cannot be a mainstream sport. There are stupid people in sports but they are professionals. Even when they don't try their best they are silent about it and they pretend their best efforts and then say something like "bad period in my life, an old injury returns, something's in the air and I am ill etc.", NOT THIS. This would end damaged their career significantly. The fact there are people standing behind Lilbow and he's not fined yet from Mil is troublesome for me...
Well, people call eSports and StarCraft a legit sport when it suits them ^.^ Now when someone like Lilbow shows no professionalism, we're not a sport. But when it suits StarCraft and its players - we are indeed a sport!
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On November 03 2015 01:44 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:40 TRaFFiC wrote:
I'm 100% with Lilbow on this one. First, it's Blizzard's fault for making the biggest tournament of HOTS days before LOTV release. Of course no one gives a shit about that game. I disagree with Lycan. Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
Second, it's his choice what he does in any tournament he qualifies for.
People put too much pressure on top foreigners. This thread is a shining example. He lost a few games. Who gives a shit? Move on. I just hope he doesn't pull a Naniwa and fall off the face of the earth. Expecting foreigners to fucking try is putting too much pressure on them? Show nested quote +On November 03 2015 01:43 TRaFFiC wrote:On November 03 2015 01:39 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On November 03 2015 01:26 Incognoto wrote:
I think that lilbow doesn't owe anyone anything. If there are players out there who felt that they deserved lilbow's spot, they should have beat lilbow.
This is life we're talking about.Life specifically said that he saw that lilbow's wall-ins were weak. this is life we're talking about. of course he's going to go for the jugular, using his signature lings to do it.
all in all, sucks but i don't think it's a problem There are tons of players who could, but they are all in Korea and didn't have the opportunity to do so. How does that have anything to do with Lilbow? You want all korean wcs? I don't. I enjoy watching top foreigners. I enjoy watch top foreigners too, a lot. But if the best the foreign scene can produce is this, then they shouldn't be at Blizzcon.
This has nothing to do with trying. Lilbow himself said he tried his hardest in the matches. His word is good enough for me. He's a pro player in a scene where it's very hard to make money these days. All he did was prioritize his time to maximize his profits. This is what all pros should do. I don't see why the community thinks it's their right to choose what he spends time on.
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I fully didn't understand his choice, at all.
If it's true that he could have had help from people but decided against it, then that's 100% on him. Yes, it's his choice, but I think his logic is totally flawed.
I cannot believe that the level he is now at in LotV he couldn't achieve if he'd started now. Yes, there's the idea that "but now I can get EVEN BETTER". If that's the case then nobody new would ever be able to enter into the competitive arena. If he'd waited, then a lot of the work he would be putting in would be done for him by other Protoss players.
Maybe he thought he'd never stand a chance against Life to begin with. I don't agree with that in the slightest. I had enough replays from Life's games to tell him straight up that would most likely be his strategy in Game 1. Life did his research and beat Lilbow.
If it's the idea of getting a head start now, I propose someone sets up a showmatch between Life and Lilbow for January of 2016, best of 7. If Lilbow loses then his choice to disrespect a $100+k tournament was meaningless.
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On November 03 2015 01:44 Kokujin wrote:
It's disappointing for the fans but you can't really blame a guy for doing what he believes is in his best financial interest.
I dont' get this attitude at all. OF COURSE YOU CAN BLAME HIM! Should we not blame those Wall Street bankers for fucking up the economy because they were just doing what was in their best financial interest? Of course not, because it's a blamable offense.
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Lilbow got in on a joke of a system specifically rigged to get a foreign hope into Blizzcon, treated the whole match as a joke and free money and from the looks of things turned down even the offers to practice with people so he wouldn't look like a joke.
He's not the only foreigner but he's the best foreigner and if the best foreigner can't be bothered to actually try in the biggest event of the year then they deserve nothing. The sooner Blizzard ends the stupid region lock the better we'll all be
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On November 03 2015 01:40 TRaFFiC wrote:
Practicing LOTV helps ALOT. Just because they change 1-2 units doesn't change the whole game. You need thousands of games of practice with new units as a pro...
He went full LotV before the biggest HotS tournament he gets to play in, which is most likely a once in a life time chance. Fine, his choice. But you won't see that out of the Koreans. INnoVation didn't go full HotS when he was playing in the last GSL of Wings, he didn't take that head start, but when HotS came out he became the best anyway. That's also what TLO means by saying foreigners always focus on the future too much. And basically bragging about it on twitter doesn't help.
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I would like to quote Chuddinater, KeSPA representative (perhaps this could be added to OP even);
"If western players have that kind of mentality then they have no idea what being a progamer means. Korean players in SC2 and LoL understand the burden of taking on the title of progamer and will practice and play their hearts out to honor that title.
Lilbow is a disgrace to everyone in the world that poured their heart and soul into e-Sports. Not just the players, but every single person that makes e-Sports possible and helped grow it to where it is right now."
Read his post here; https://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/3r51gs/this_is_why_foreigners_will_always_be_foreigners/cwldhlg
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