• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:12
CEST 01:12
KST 08:12
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror4[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10
Community News
Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4)0SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup10StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)77Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3
StarCraft 2
General
How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? [Old] StarCraft 3 Reportedly in Development StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) Weekly Cups Results (Sep 28-Oct 4) SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Grand Finals Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 546 Catch the Train The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble
Brood War
General
Sagi.gg Launcher Released BW General Discussion SC4ALL II Brood War Complete Invited Player Lineup 20-year-old Valorant player starting StarCraft Bot on ladder
Tourneys
[ASL22] Semifinal B [ASL22] Semifinal A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do?
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Artificial Intelligence Thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Dating: How's your luck?
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8676 users

Game clock removed from Proleague due to gambling

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33706 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:14:46
July 27 2015 11:03 GMT
#1
Starting on July 27th, the in-game clock has been removed from Proleague broadcasts.

SpoTV put up a caption before the matches saying the measure was in order to promote "clean esports culture," which is the broadcast appropriate way of saying "to counteract illegal betting and/or match-fixing."

While illegal Korean betting sites offer standard winner/loser bets, more complicated bets involving the length of a match have been said to have gained popularity as well. In a match-fixing context, such bets would have a smaller chance of detection than straight up win/loss fixing.

[image loading]

AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#2
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
olimoley
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States742 Posts
July 27 2015 11:04 GMT
#3
This is why we can't have nice things
Events Manager, Team Liquid - Creator of OlimoLeague
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33706 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:07:18
July 27 2015 11:05 GMT
#4
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
Quateras
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany867 Posts
July 27 2015 11:06 GMT
#5
Eh weird reaction since they can just stoptime things themselves if they care that much.

To be honest though i absolutely do not care one bit if i can see the ingame clock or not.
"If you don't know where you are going, you can never get lost."
BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51621 Posts
July 27 2015 11:15 GMT
#6
So can I expect double blind lineups for next season then?
Brood War EICWoo Jung Ho, never forget.| Twitter: @BLinDRawR
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
July 27 2015 11:18 GMT
#7
It can be bad for players that love to analyze games and vods, but if it can help to avoid illegal betting it is a positive thing
Vasacast always in my <3
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19391 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:27:13
July 27 2015 11:27 GMT
#8
Cover the minimap too! I make all my winnings off guessing spawn locations.
ModeratorFormer Afreeca Starleague Caster: http://afreeca.tv/ASL2ENG2
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
July 27 2015 11:30 GMT
#9
:/ I noticed straight away, so annoying...
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:38:01
July 27 2015 11:37 GMT
#10
Now we are finally gonna know who are the live reports gods
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:41:00
July 27 2015 11:38 GMT
#11
How about just not show who is playing?

Btw korean sports channels not show game time or something. With my zerod expertese on the subject ill give the verdict that the decision was shit.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:41 GMT
#12
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51698 Posts
July 27 2015 11:44 GMT
#13
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.
Commentator
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-27 11:54:03
July 27 2015 11:49 GMT
#14
I don't get the : "we don't care fighting what we already pitchforked for with pinnacle because it hurts our viewer experience" posts. Can someone explain ?

On July 27 2015 20:05 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:04 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Can't they just time the games from home anyway?


right but you can't exactly go to your bookie and say "I won the bet according to MY MEASUREMENTS AT HOME WHICH ARE WAY MORE ACCURATE THAN YOURS"


And the bookie can also say : "nope it was 05:01 not before 05:00 so fuck you i keep the money (even if it was really 04:59 but you can't tell fucker)" especially because Blizzard's seconds
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
July 27 2015 11:50 GMT
#15
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
July 27 2015 11:54 GMT
#16
On July 27 2015 20:50 graNite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2015 20:44 GTR wrote:
On July 27 2015 20:41 graNite wrote:
Why is it even possible to bet on a game that is already playing?


they can't. they are prop bets that people bet on before games start.


what does the removal of the ingame clock change then?

I think the idea is that the bookmakers can't know for sure if a unit died before the 5 minutes mark, for example. Thus they can't accept bets of this type.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
Jathin
Profile Blog Joined February 2005
United States3505 Posts
July 27 2015 12:20 GMT
#17
--- Nuked ---
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#18
As i already said in the LR thread, this changes probably nothing (or VERY VERY little)
But hey it's something i guess
Viewers don't need the clock, so it doesn't matter anways
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Grollicus
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany287 Posts
July 27 2015 12:26 GMT
#19
On July 27 2015 21:20 Jathin wrote:
The change does nothing to affect the core problem: illegal gambling. Gamblers will simply adapt their bets to another aspect of the game. Kind of silly change imo.


Actually thats good promo i guess..
Read. | Show me your Healthbars
TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
July 27 2015 12:42 GMT
#20
Very annoying change. Lots of lower league players exclusively rely on game clock to copy timings. Of course you can use supply as an indicator, but game clock does its own work. Seeing the hatchery go down 1-10 seconds earlier is part of the magic of PL.

2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 49m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 215
Nina 128
SpeCial 99
ViBE87
Nathanias 62
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 12036
Artosis 597
NaDa 31
Bale 14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever293
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox633
Mew2King88
Other Games
summit1g6050
Grubby2395
Liquid`RaSZi1854
shahzam722
WinterStarcraft461
C9.Mang0317
JimRising 301
Trikslyr35
JuggernautJason11
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick359
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream27
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 84
• musti20045 32
• davetesta4
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• imaqtpie763
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
10h 49m
INu's Battles
11h 49m
Percival vs SHIN
Zoun vs herO
OSC
13h 49m
OSC
23h 4m
Replay Cast
23h 49m
OSC
1d 23h
Big Brain Bouts
2 days
Rex vs INexorable
GgMaChine vs HeRoMaRinE
Reynor vs herO
AI Arena Tournament
2 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
[ Show More ]
Patches Events
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
BSL Open Qualifier
3 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Copium Cup

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSB
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
HCC Season 3
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.